Excalibur pronto question

[Wokistan]

So, I just saw this description and was a bit confused. I'm not really familiar with fate so forgive me if I'm missing some sort of basic idea here. It seems one of the restrictions is rather vague and can possibly be problematic. That restriction is the one of "The battle must not involve personal gain."

Now, how exactly does fate define for personal gain?

This requirement seems to be contradictory to others such as "The battle must be to live," and "The battle must be to save the world," Since I assume those are things that Saber would want. However, wouldn't the very act of fighting in the first place be for personal gain? He's gotta be fighting for a reason. If self defense his gain is that he keeps living, if fighting for someone else it's obvious, etc. Hell, some people and philosophical views would argue that literally every action an individual takes is out of some sort of self interest.

So basically, how does this restriction ever get lifted?

 

[Abstractions]

Are they not fighting on someone's behalf when summoned as a Heroic Spirit? It would be fighting for someone else's gain, not their own.

Excalibur is likely connected to how Saber himself perceives things, if he believes his actions will save the world or aren't for himself, than they are likely to bypass those restrictions.

That's just my perspective on it, I'm not too knowledgeable on Fate beyond Zero and Stay Night.

 

[RegisNex1232]

What Abstractions said is a very likely possibility. The truth is that we really don't know exactly how this works, so his answer is probably the closest you'll get. You can always go here to ask for some answers: http://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthrea...-and-more-questions-(READ-THE-OP-FOR-ANSWERS)

 

[Wokistan]

Prom told me I was overthinking it, so maybe.

 

[RegisNex1232]

Prom told me I was overthinking it, so maybe.

I would agree with Prom, given that as Servants they generally do fight for their masters, so that is most likely fulfilling the clause.

 

[Solacis]

Aside from what Abstractions said, it could also likely be rephrased as "The battle must not be for selfish reasons". So it refers to something more general as opposed to an "in-the-moment" king of thing.