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Everybody Wants to Rule the World Registration/Meta 4

Monarch, lets be real here

if literally anyone else said this about their luck, even if they were the same character as yours, you'd be calling them out on wank
 
Overlord775 said:
@Monarch How high are the chances of Yobo getting tired of your shit and forcing you to change your powers ?

I'd say VERY HIGH
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(it's actually very low)
 
Monarch Laciel said:
Perhaps I just have a more developed sense of what luck and cause and effect actually entail.
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Perhaps I just have a more developed sense of what physics and complete control over such entails

doesn't mean it;s not obvious bullshit
 
Ok, think of it like this.

Luck is not real.

Everything is determined by the movement of particles in the universe and their intractions with each other and the forces that govern them.

Unless my luck is literally changing physics at certain points in time to make sure those forces and particles work the way I need them to, everything that is happening has already been predetermined by the forces that control these particles.

If everything is predetermined, then my luck is really just having a really good predermination, and predetermination affects the universe.
 
Monarch Laciel said:
Ok, think of it like this.
Luck is not real.

Everything is determined by the movement of particles in the universe and their intractions with each other and the forces that govern them.

Unless my luck is literally changing physics at certain points in time to make sure those forces and particles work the way I need them to, everything that is happening has already been predetermined by the forces that control these particles.

If everything is predetermined, then my luck is really just having a really good predermination, and predetermination affects the universe.
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and yet

if i used my physics manip from GK like that, i would've been told to switch him out
 
as basically a combination of causality and probability manip, which should be possible for, y'know, total control over physics

i'm still kinda salty about that tbh
 
Fine just make sure to finish it before this thread dies (or at least keep it from spilling to much in the next thread) pls.
 
I mean

You could totally have done something like "change how these particles interact so that instead of moving in x direction they move in y direction"
 
Monarch Laciel said:
I mean
You could totally have done something like "change how these particles interact so that instead of moving in x direction they move in y direction"
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i tried to do that on the EE ball and it got noped due to "the ball destroying physics"

like what the actual ****, that would literally destroy the universe of pockets of physicsless area existed iirc
 
Here is what i think.

Monarch's luck make it so "if it is possible, it will happen." Im fine with that. In the series his luck comes from they have statements and feats to show that.

What i am not okay with is his luck can work on a Low Multiversal scale. It has no feats and no statements that put it at that level. So he shouldn't have it.
 
I agree with Crimson, instead of arguing what it can and cant do (as its already stated on the characters profile) we need to determine its range.
 
I know you guys are fast but how are you getting people to obey you as their supreme leader all of a sudden? (Keep in mind I became a player half way through the current game)
 
Spider Kaiju said:
I know you guys are fast but how are you getting people to obey you as their supreme leader all of a sudden? (Keep in mind I became a player half way through the current game)
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Psycho is just creating the law. He hasn't set it in motion.
 
?

The ball destroying physics is just specialised EE, what are you complaining about, that's not a restriction on your power.

Anyway, here is the full description of Mamoru's luck:

  • Ever-Victorious Challenger: The absurdity gained by Higashikawa Mamoru at the end of the gambling games. Mamoru acquired the character of the Ever-Victorious Challenger, the special participant of a gambling story who never loses. Without even needing to do anything, Mamoru can call in an infinite supply of success, something Karen compared to being a deity of victory. Because of this, Mamoru can't lose any kind of luck-based gamble, no matter if the odds are one in a million, one in a billion or even worse; he will succeed with ease as long as they're not zero. The enemy attacks will miss and fail to harm him, the ground will break beneath the enemy's feet, their weapons will break mid-swing, etc. When he and Karen (who had gained a similar absurdity) fought, they realized it was impossible for them to kill each other, as their weapons constantly broke when they tried to attack the other person. Karen further stated that even if they brought a gatling gun or a shoulder-fired missile to the fight they would still be unable to harm each other. This absurdity can also be used outside of battle, such as to deactivate a bomb by randomly pulling the correct wire or to successfully guess a password in your first try by typing at random. Additionally, as Karen pointed out, Mamoru's absurdity works outside the constraints of time and continuity/causality, as he was capable of using it to undo the past event that had granted him the absurdity (ignoring time) and he retained the ability after doing so (ignoring continuity/causality).
Appropriate quotes on it from the light novel:

  • The bunny girl's right arm swung down and brought the knife with it.
The result was simple. Despite having his life placed on the line, Higashikawa was not interested in what happened. As he lay on the floor, his lips moved ever so slightly. "…Huh?" said the bunny girl. Higashikawa did not bother looking up. "The blade fell out of the handle? No, wait, wait, wait. I already proved I have the power to never lose when I am not supposed to lose. So how…how did you call in success here?"

  • "…I can hear it."
    "What?"
    "I can hear a creaking noise from below the floor. Isn't that the sound of those bags hanging from the wires!?"
    At the same moment, the laptops placed along the bar's tables all grew red. Warning messages displaying errors appeared on all of them. From the diagram displayed along with the errors, this seemed to be related to the bags and the pulleys and gears that controlled them.
    "Due to a malfunction in the attraction's devices, they're still hanging there? And this isn't just one or two malfunctions… All nine of them malfunctioned!?"
  • Higashikawa Mamoru slammed his fist down on a nearby laptop and grabbed a sharp fragment of the broken screen.
    At the same time, the bunny girl pulled out a new knife and rushed at Higashikawa.
    They both took action.
    Higashikawa shot to his feet and thrust the sharp fragment directly at the center of the bunny girl's chest. The bunny girl swung her knife horizontally to slice through Higashikawa's throat.
    However…
    "!?"
    "!!"
    Both attacks failed.
    Cracks ran through Higashikawa's shard and it shattered before reaching the bunny girl's chest. Meanwhile, the blade of the bunny girl's knife once more slipped from the handle and stabbed into the wall to the side.
  • "It looks like this just isn't going to work. At this distance, it is infinite. Even if we brought in a Gatling gun or a shoulder-fired missile, we cannot kill each other. That is simply the type of character we have been constructed as."
  • We each have a great power that calls in success, so we will always automatically avoid death no matter how hard we try. This is a world where we could fight for 100 years and never reach a conclusion. …There is still much to research about the absurd. After all, this has even twisted time and continuity."
    "?"
    "You still don't get it? The mechanical malfunctions that saved those nine from death were most likely brought on by the character you have been given. However, when did you acquire that character? As the dealer, I gained the Unbeatable Emperor only after sacrificing those nine to guide in the absurd. Your Ever-Victorious Challenger must be the same. …And yet your power saved those nine. You saved them using the character you obtained from their deaths. What can you call that if not a contradiction? This is a power that can ignore time and continuity, so how are normal weapons like knives and bombs supposed to decide our victory?"
  • "In the end, we are both supported by the gambling absurdities that control this field. Knives and guns have no meaning anymore. Those reasonable responses would be exterminated by the absurd. And thus we must compete according to the rules of the absurd. We must disturb these powers that call in success like the goddess of victory. That is the only way to rob the other of their power. Only once we do that can we kill each other."
  • "What exactly is the attraction? Guessing the password?"
    "That would be meaningless. You have obtained the Ever-Victorious Challenger, so you would probably get it right just by randomly hitting the keys.
  • "But…you shouldn't be able to solve those. You shouldn't be able to solve them!! Those are the worst possible questions for the answerer because they used the answerer's own thought processes to seal up his personal loopholes!!"
    "The worst possible?" Higashikawa Mamoru frowned doubtfully after he finished typing. "You think that's the worst possible? This was nothing more than a simple monitoring."
    "Oh, I see. It was because they were absolutely impossible to answer. That's why! That has to be it!! That brought the absurd into play, didn't it!? The power to make the impossible possible allowed you to answer those unanswerable questions!!"
  • And he still had that unnatural power to call in success that apparently came from the absurd. If what the bunny girl had said was accurate, this power was on the level of the goddess of victory who caused conflicts among the gods because simply having her on your side would give you victory in a war.
    If he tried to find her, he could find her right away.
    If he tried to kill her, he could kill her right away.
  • The bunny girl snapped her fingers.
    All of the laptops gave off a dazzling light. They were not simply displaying something. The devices themselves had obviously exceeded some sort of limit. The excessive amount of electricity caused them to give off light on the level of a camera flash, but the great burden then caused the laptops to burst to pieces and send sparks flying everywhere.
    ...
    Higashikawa thought all of the laptops had been destroyed, but when he looked around the area, he found one laptop that was conveniently unscathed.
    He did not know if it had simply survived or if his power had overturned continuity once more.
  • Higashikawa Mamoru was a complete amateur when it came to operating such specialized devices, but all it took was randomly hitting a few keys to safely draw up the bags the nine were trapped inside like a giant game of goldfish scooping. It all went unnaturally smoothly as if some invisible force was controlling it all, but he did not care at the moment.
  • Higashikawa honestly doubted the organizers could damage them now. He did not understand any of this absurdity or Ever-Victorious Challenger nonsense, but the power balance had already been made clear. Regardless of Higashikawa's own ability, the organizers would be automatically eliminated due to the power to call in success.
  • "The gambling storyline as well as the Unbeatable Emperor and Ever-Victorious Challenger characters gained from it were nothing more than side effects. We had no interest in the gambling story itself. Our objective was to capture the special girl who can be called the guide for all storylines, be they horror, gambling, love comedy, suspense, action, battle, sports, science fiction, or fantasy. Of all the countless storylines derived from the guide, the gambling one was the easiest to use. We tried to work our way back from there to approach Alice, the guide. …That is what this story really is."
  • The existence known as Objective Alice can freely distort any of the parameters based in normal physical laws. In a way, she is a symbol of calamity, and in a different way, she is a symbol of fortune and success.
  • "She is an aggregation of the absurd that has taken the form of a pure white girl. That absurd existence is on a completely different dimension from me. Higashikawa-san? The situation you have fallen into is most definitely absurd. If the girl and the absurd can each affect each other, then that girl can be made to appear by preparing the absurd. Makes sense, doesn't it?"
 
I just took over and kept the country from collapsing, because of this there haven't been any rebellions yet.
 
god help me

the luck isn't multiversal in range, period, until it shows that it is

Overlord said that the ball was unaffected by me reversing it's acceleration due to it destroying physics around it iirc
 
tldr, breaks weapons that could harm the user, causes computer malfunctions to save the user's friends, comes from a higher dimensional existence, overturns continuity to undo things that have been done, allows the user to succeed in things they try at "right away", and it's probably actually plot hax.

But yeah ok, no multiversal range.
 
Hl3 or bust said:
Overlord said that the ball was unaffected by me reversing it's acceleration due to it destroying physics around it iirc
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Well that's just the GM countering your move, that's not you being called on wank, why was this even relevant?
 
>Higher-d luck/possible plot hax

i have a feeling that Spider never looked at your character's profile, and just saw that he wa 10-B with really good luck
 
Hl3 or bust said:
>Higher-d luck/possible plot hax

i have a feeling that Spider never looked at your character's profile, and just saw that he wa 10-B with really good luck
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Yes. In my mind I thought he was like the Courier in Fallout New Vegas with a Luck Score of 10.
 
Monarch Laciel said:
Hl3 or bust said:
Overlord said that the ball was unaffected by me reversing it's acceleration due to it destroying physics around it iirc
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Well that's just the GM countering your move, that's not you being called on wank, why was this even relevant?
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thats not a great explaination for it if he doesn't want to actually destroy the universe

it isn't really, and i don't remember why i brought i up tbh
 
Spider Kaiju said:
Hl3 or bust said:
>Higher-d luck/possible plot hax

i have a feeling that Spider never looked at your character's profile, and just saw that he wa 10-B with really good luck
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Yes. In my mind I thought he was like the Courier in Fallout New Vegas with a Luck Score of 10.
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it's closer to a luck score so high the game can't list the number
 
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