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Ernest Hemingway vs Vienna Bloodfallen

Ah yes, Vienna fights an EWTD character, let's go.

Aight so anyway, Vienna begins with spatial cuts which can cut on any space from the 3rd dimension up. owo. See the "Dimension Breaker" key on her page for more info.

She can Erase or BFR people with these slashes.

Ernest can avoid these by going 0-D, however, the attacks will appear mostly invisible (Though you'll obviously see her swinging the sword) and do have a pretty wide area-of-effect which can be anywhere from a few meters to kilometers.

What would Ernest begin with here?
 
He has what he starts with in the notable technique page.

Seeing as how he can see invisible attacks and sense her spatial abilities in which only a extremely powerful shaman would have. He would probably resort to magic from the get go,trying to analyze her behaviors and physiology from the 0D realm. Seeing what sticks and what doesn’t.

He can stay there for a few minutes,and all spells require gestures (think Witcher signs). So eventually he’ll think to use something like sleep manipulation to incap her as soon possible.
 
So he turns 0-D and from there resorts to spells from the 0-D realm?

Sleep Manipulation, while not resisted, seems very unlikely on Vienna here. In her god blessing form (Which she starts in here), her veins are pulsing with a huge amount of energy flowing across her entire body. I notice you say it's a form of biological manip that manipulates her biology to make her fall asleep, would he be able to cease that energy flow? If not I kind of doubt she'd fall asleep because she'd still have all that energy pulsating through her.

Vienna can't do much while he's 0-D unfortunately.
 
Phoenks said:
Sleep Manipulation, while not resisted, seems very unlikely on Vienna here. In her god blessing form (Which she starts in here), her veins are pulsing with a huge amount of energy flowing across her entire body. I notice you say it's a form of biological manip that manipulates her biology to make her fall asleep, would he be able to cease that energy flow? If not I kind of doubt she'd fall asleep because she'd still have all that energy pulsating through her.
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Well he can negate layered defenses of sleep manip.

Soldiers < Officers< lower noblemen. Not sure if that would count.

Seeing as he can quickly tell what his opponent is capable and what they resist. He would at give it a try. Especially if she starts creating a pocket dimension.
 
It's moreso the way he sleep manips rather than how much defense against sleep manip he can negate.

If Vienna notices she's being attacked she'll quickly use her senses to sense anywhere he could be.

Since he's 0-D, she won't find him, and thus yeah she'll hop into a pocket dimension and wait to see if he comes back into sensibility. If he does she'll jump out and sneak attack.

Is there any chance he doesn't start with the 0-D tactic?
 
Phoenks said:
Is there any chance he doesn't start with the 0-D tactic?
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Yeah, he also utilizes void manip to succ oncoming strikes. Many swords within the verse utilize spatial cuts,albeit not on the level of Vienna.

Time manip would also be used here as well, since he would quite literally be throwing everything at her due to her similarities to a mage.
 
Can he void spatial cuts that come from higher dimensions?

Her acausality should cover the time manipulation. "Vienna became a being whose existence is in opposition of fate, time, and space"

Though I'm unsure if that really counts. Vienna hasn't shown any resistance to time-warping stuff in the series so I can't really assume it. However, she does resists her swords abilities, which includes time manip

As for the sleep, Instinctive Reactions should cover it since she could still attack after being mindwiped.

His first 3 attacks are auto-dodge due to instinctive reactions as well.

If he charges at her, he pretty much gets an auto-lose due to aoe BFR or EE.


However, if he uses 0-D things look quite a bit better as she can't do anything.
 
Phoenks said:
His first 3 attacks are auto-dodge due to instinctive reactions as well.
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He can predict the movements of officers. Who resist being predicted by regular soldiers. With precog that can negate resistances he would probably predict the direction of the reaction and have his attack hit regardless.


Phoenks said:
If he charges at her, he pretty much gets an auto-lose due to aoe BFR or EE.
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Where does it BFR to? Ernest can cleave through dimensions to return to his own and resists EE.


Phoenks said:
Can he void spatial cuts that come from higher dimensions?
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Such attacks aren’t used. So probably not. However there is still a very good chance for him start with 0D,especially in distance farther then what his sword can reach.

He also has crossbows that can slice through matter too.
 
He can predict the movements of officers. Who resist being predicted by regular soldiers. With precog that can negate resistances he would probably predict the direction of the reaction and have his attack hit regardless.
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Fair enough.

Where does it BFR to? Ernest can cleave through dimensions to return to his own and resists EE.
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Higher-Dimensions (which would instakill/completely annihilate anyone normally, unless he's able to somehow exist there),

Such attacks aren’t used. So probably not. However there is still a very good chance for him start with 0D,especially in distance farther then what his sword can reach.
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He also has crossbows that can slice through matter too.

The chance of him starting with 0-D should be reduced thanks to her luck of all things, since it manipulates probability passively in her favour.

She can slash pocket dimensions in front of her to avoid getting hit by projectiles. (She basically BFRs them)
 
Oh yeah that luck. Could luck really influence thinking? Especially if he would have a general knowledge of her from the get go by looking at her body and analyzing the physiology.

Ernest resists fate manip while fighting cousin in the Hemingway family. It’s the the only resistance that shouldn’t be layered but irrc causality and fate manip are more potent than luck.

Fair on the pocket dimensions,he’ll start becoming more pissed tho. Using 0D and firing elemental fog and auras.
 
Ernest resists fate manip while fighting cousin in the Hemingway family. It’s the the only resistance that shouldn’t be layered but irrc causality and fate manip are more potent than luck.
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Fate and Causality are different than probability/luck in most cases, as well as here.

Fate is essentially Future Manipulation, while Probability is almost like Reality Warping in a way.

Although Fate Manipulation can be utilized like Probability Manipulation, Probability manipulation is definitely more potent.


Generally, it goes like this:

Fate Manipulation < Probability Manipulation >=< Causality Manipulation < Plot Manipulation

However, note that all these powers are different, and having resistance to one of them doesn't grant you resistance to another one.
 
That being said, what kind of fate manip did he resist? And if was due to Acausality it doesn't really count.

Vienna can passively make people "miss" her, avoid her, evade attacks, and even make one of her attacks which is purposefully WAY off hit her opponent.


(Legit one time she threw an energy ball into space and it traveled lightyears away before shooting back down exactly where her opponents were in front of her)
 
Damn.

Seems like incon then.
Phoenks said:
That being said, what kind of fate manip did he resist? And if was due to Acausality it doesn't really count.
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Ernest just resists it. He doesn’t exist of time or anything. Due to his ability being so rare, he doesn’t have such a layered resistance for it.

He resists and can do something similar to Vienna. He parries his sword,warping the cause of the action and have it be fated to backfire or redirect the attack back at the attacker through manipulating causality.

He basically manipulates causality,and in term manipulating fate. Something like Griffith from Berserk.

This ability injures Ernest tho. So it can’t be spammed.
 
i see, what are his wincons here? What does he have that would kill Vienna given he goes 0-D off the bat?
 
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