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Doctor Manhattan, Darkest Knight and Golden Wonder Woman Small Revision

Antvasima said:
I was referring to both of us talking about an upcoming revision.
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Fair then. In each case if Wondy gets 2 keys I have no problem with at least low 1-C Wally and Manhattan. That said I’m not really opposed to Manhattan’s current rating and justification either.
 
Confluctor said:
Imo it should be left out until we get a concrete rating. The jump between 1C and 1A is staggeringly high, unlike between 2A and 1C, for example. And imo the justification just isn't enough.


What would you recommend writing in the footnote?
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What about:
  • The Darkest Knight's statement that he can kill the Hands is unproven and is contradicted by his himself who admitted that he couldn't stop them if they were to destroy the Multiverse.
 
Elizio33 said:
What about:
  • The Darkest Knight's statement that he can kill the Hands is unproven and is contradicted by his himself who admitted that he couldn't stop them if they were to destroy the Multiverse.
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Tbf him killing them one by one is easier than facing them all at the same time. Also him merely being capable of accessing the sixth dimension and getting to their size would already give him 1-A.
 
Greenshifter said:
Tbf him killing them one by one is easier than facing them all at the same time. Also him merely being capable of accessing the sixth dimension and getting to their size would already give him 1-A.
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The Sixth Dimension wasn't mentioned during the Death Metal storyline.
 
And the Hands, the Darkest Knight, Doctor Manhattan and Perpetua aren't more powerful in the Sixth Dimension, their power doesn't work like that.
 
In that case you are arguing they are always 1-A, since you need to be as big as a 1-A to live there and be of significant size. Similar to the sphere of the gods. However I do not think Manhattan can even access the sixth dimension.
 
I still believe the 1A stuff is confusing, but has anyone proposed the idea of likely/possibly higher?

If that won't work, then I suppose the 1A stuff is fine until further revisions.
 
Confluctor said:
I still believe the 1A stuff is confusing, but has anyone proposed the idea of likely/possibly higher?

If that won't work, then I suppose the 1A stuff is fine until further revisions.
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We can remove the 1-A rating for Doctor Manhattan, Darkest Knight and Golden Wonder Woman if you want.
 
Antvasima said:
I personally wouldn't mind at all.
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Okay, because the 1-A justification of Dr Manhattan isn't really a good argument since Wonder Woman and the Justice League used Manhattan's energy in order to fight Perpetua (diminished state) who is Low 1-C. Another proof is that the Darkest Knight stole the body of a less powerful duplicate of Dr Manhattan and needed to be powered by the Crisis Energy in order to kill the Low 1-C Perpetua.
 
Okay. That seems to make sense to me, but I cannot decide on my own.
 
If you guys want to remove the keys now, it’s fine, I just think it’d make more sense to wait until the whole cosmology revision.
 
Okay. Maybe we are too impatient. I would prefer more community input here, especially from the members that I called earlier.
 
LordTracer said:
If you guys want to remove the keys now, it’s fine, I just think it’d make more sense to wait until the whole cosmology revision.
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Maybe you're right, but in order to avoid confusions, isn't best to remove the 1-A justification of Darkest Knight, Dr Manhattan and Golden Wonder Woman since they all scale to Low 1-C Perpetua?

We can write the footnote that I have proposed earlier about the Darkest Knight's statement of him being able to kill the Hands and why it shouldn't be used as an evidence for the 1-A rating.
 
Sure, that’s fine, although you should definitely note that it was a diminished Perpetua that they’re being scaled to, because the profiles don’t make that clear atm.
 
Okay. So have you two reached an agreement then?
 
Doctor Manhattan

The Batman Who Laughs

Wonder Woman (Post-Flashpoint)
 
Sorry for the necro but I think this thread was not concluded yet.
 
Okay. What is left to do here, and should I re-lock those pages?
 
The only thing left to apply was to add a specification that the Darkest Knight fought against a weaker Perpetua.
 
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