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Delta vs Bambietta Basterbine vs Big Mom vs Erza Scarlett vs Merlin Vs Dorothy Unsworth vs Ryuko vs Crona vs Esdeath vs Chrome Dokuro vs Issei
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They're not physical
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Same with ryuko, and the speed amps further evidence that she could just avoid it
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Unlikely, explosions dont do anything to her, she has to get cut or stabbed for her amp to happen
Plus Ryuko has danger sense via senketsu
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She can interact with physical objects while turning herself intangible so
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A shockwave is absolutely physical, if it wasn't then it wouldn't produce a physical effect. A shockwave is a type of propagating disturbance that moves faster than the local speed of sound in the medium. Like an ordinary wave, a shock wave carries energy and can propagate through a medium but is characterized by an abrupt, nearly discontinuous, change in pressure, temperature, and density of the medium.
That isn't Spirit based NPI, that's phasing.
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Also Kenbunshoku Haki works on much faster opponents, Doffy with High tier Kenbunshoku was able to react to Luffy's Gear Forth that was previously blitzing him before.
And Kenbunshoku Haki gets better as the fight goes on, and bare minimum she can see seconds into the future before Ryuko even starts moving.
Ryuko doesn't resist Soul Hax which Big Mom can do.
Haoshoku Haki is another option.
And if this comes down to a war of attrition Big Mom takes it. She's scales above people who can fight for 5 days and night and 7 days and nights non stop against opponents who have elemental advantages over one another. Ryuko has the better pain tolerance but Big Mom has much better endurance.
And Kenbunshoku Haki gets better as the fight goes on, and bare minimum she can see seconds into the future before Ryuko even starts moving.
Ryuko doesn't resist Soul Hax which Big Mom can do.
Haoshoku Haki is another option.
And if this comes down to a war of attrition Big Mom takes it. She's scales above people who can fight for 5 days and night and 7 days and nights non stop against opponents who have elemental advantages over one another. Ryuko has the better pain tolerance but Big Mom has much better endurance.
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Okay but the issue is that Ryuko is several degrees of blitzing above what the doffy vs luffy gap was
Already brought up, her soul manip relies on fear which wouldnt do anything to ryuko
Er...did you read her profile? Ryuko scales to people who can go a full month of working and fighting without eating sleeping or resting with the implication of unlimited stamina from a statement of senketsu being able to function ay full capacity indefinitely from just a drop of her blood. Ryuko 100% has the better stamina and endurance of the two
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Such as? All I've seen you is claim this. Irrelevant anyway due to Kenbunshoku Haki's improvement rate.
Fair.
A full month of working isn't the same thing as fighting for a month, the two couldn't get more different. Not to mention i vividly remember you trying to use this exact argument in the past only to get debunked.
First of all, no she hasn't shown to fight for several days on end without breaks, rest or sleep. Not to mention that she doesn't have infinite stamina, make the CRT for Ryuko having Infinite Stamina since that's not in the profiles.
Fighting for days non stop >>>> Taking a beat for a day and working for a month. The energy spent while working is objectively much less than what you'd put into actual combat with an opponent who's equal. She has the better pain tolerance, Big Mom has the better stamina.
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From her fighting her clones she would have multiple zenkai boosts each of which allows her to speedblitz her previous speed rating
Not just working, fighting for a full month without rest. And it's on her profile so it obviously wasnt debunked.
I can throw the infinite stamina in when I make the crt to add the other stuff discussed here.
But no, Ryuko has demonstrably better stamina and endurance
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Ryuko doesn't have clone creation? Citation would be nice to have more context.
Nui never fought for a full month non stop without rest. That's something you yourself fabricated Weekly, this is what's in her profile.
Extremely high (After working on making Shinra-Koketsu non-stop consecutively for a month she stopped work temporarily to fight Ryuko, immediately went to attack the Naked Sol where she fought the elite four and satsuki, fought Ryuko AGAIN, got her arms cut off and lost copious amounts of blood in the process, immediately went back to working on and finishing Shinra Koketsu, then went immediately after to fight the entirety of Honouji Academy on her own, all without showing signs of exhaustion)
Which is impressive but none of this insinuates that Nui is capable of fighting for a month without rest, she was sewing for a month, and fought afterwards. That's vastly different than fighting against an opponent who hard counters you via elemental advantages for 5 days and nights and 7 days and nights non stop.
Yeah and I already looked at her shockwaves, she's never reflected an attack back at the opponent before.
No, she absolutely doesn't. Ryuko hasn't ever shown the capability to fight for days on end non stop, One Piece characters actually have those feats.
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It's from Dorothy, earlier in the battle.
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Didn't we conclude that Dorothy can't make clones who would do anything relevant because she knows absolutely nothing about the capabilities of the characters?
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The clones dorothy made.
Then you looked at the wrong thing because she absolutely has
She has though, as have other characters in the verse
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Fair but Big Mom's Kenbunshoku Haki has always grown vastly due to the fighting.
actually not far, her clones wouldn't give Ryuko a Zenkai boost due to it not working in a meaningful way here.
No, she hasn't and I can prove them with scans if you really want.
No, she nor have the other characters shown that. They have better feats of pain tolerance but as far as how long they can fight for OP takes it. No character has ever fought in Kill La Kill for days on end without rest. You can start posting scans.
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Dunno, it was talked about as though they were equals plus Ryuko knows how to exploit weaker opponents to bait them into attacking her without killing her
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But anyways, just to clear this up what exactly can Linlin do to put Ryuko down? Both of them will be getting faster and more durable throughout the fight but Ryuko has a sizable initial speed advantage, meaning Mom will have to rely on her precog just to be able to hit her and even then due to Ryuko's amped durability theres no guarantee that she will do much of anything if an attack lands
Note now that I am admitting that Ryuko does not have a way to put Mom down, so this is looking to be an inconclusive
Note now that I am admitting that Ryuko does not have a way to put Mom down, so this is looking to be an inconclusive
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Yeah it was debunked prior which is why Dorothy got knocked very early. The clones wouldn't have any abilities of the person she's copying, so they'd be extremely ass. Idk if they would amp Ryuko, especially when the clones would be on her side...
I forgot about this, but Big Mom moves considerably faster with her homies. Her base speed will be her by herself, add a homie for speed and that's that. That's a speed amp in itself.
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Wouldnt that work considerably in Ryuko's favor tho? That's just a more efficient way of farming zenkai amps lol
Ryuko is the same with Senketsu Shippu, she can fly normally in Kisaragi but Shippu is an amp to her speed when shes flying
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The clones wouldn't fight Ryuko, they'd fight others because of the nature.
Fair
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She couldnt tell them to repeatedly stab her?
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The difference is that they'd all want to be stabbed, and they can't come to a valid conclusion based on the slow sleep manip. They'd have to worry about finding a way out.
Big Mom has instinctive reaction now, she's not getting tagged.
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Why? I thought they didnt have any knowledge of ryuko's powers?
IR is one of the things Ryuko can bypass plus IR can be bypassed on it's own by a big enough speed gap
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Oh yeah, you're right.
A better question, why would a random clone of somebody just be urged to stab you?
She can bypass IR amped with precog plus a bunch of surveillance from the skies with all of the enhanced sensing Observation Haki gives?
And I checked SBA again, Big Mom would have access to her large number of souls, so she can make the clouds in the air homies and they would all tell the whereabouts of anyone in mid air
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You ask them to?
For the most part yeah, the whole 'being able to and scaling to people who are able to bypass the senses of Uzu who has analytical prediction, instinctive reactions, and total spatial awareness in 360 degrees for multiple kilometers'
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Oof, fair game
Did that happen on the ground or in mid air?
Because I understand doing it on the ground, but in mid air where there's nothing to see except Oxygen and the person, it'd be extremely hard to avoid senses while being in mid air where you can be stared at
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His senses extend into the air yes
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Uzu's Enhanced Senses aren't all too great, Kenbunshoku Haki definitely offers a lot more sensory abilities than what Uzu does. Uzu has Aura sensing, omnidirectional sensing and Telescopic Sensing.
Kenbunshoku has the following Aura Sensing, Omnidirectional sensing, Telescopic sensing, neutral sensing, X-ray sensing, night vision, emotion sensing, and soul sensing.
Kenbunshoku Haki far exceed Uzu's Enhanced Senses, and that's without comparing precog.
Ryuko had to blind him to bypass his Prediction via paper, Satsuki only briefly clashed against him in a sparring match and Nui only did so via superior speed and AP, once they fought again they fight on even ground.
Also Big Mom's Instinctive Reaction is definitely better than Uzu's, hell even Kino'mon has better IR than Uzu. Kino'mon's using Kenbunshoku Haki can fight while spatially slashed apart into pieces. His torse can fight against Brook, his legs can navigate throughout Punk Hazzard and talk via farts, talk despite having his 5 senses spatially severed.
Kenbunshoku has the following Aura Sensing, Omnidirectional sensing, Telescopic sensing, neutral sensing, X-ray sensing, night vision, emotion sensing, and soul sensing.
Kenbunshoku Haki far exceed Uzu's Enhanced Senses, and that's without comparing precog.
Ryuko had to blind him to bypass his Prediction via paper, Satsuki only briefly clashed against him in a sparring match and Nui only did so via superior speed and AP, once they fought again they fight on even ground.
Also Big Mom's Instinctive Reaction is definitely better than Uzu's, hell even Kino'mon has better IR than Uzu. Kino'mon's using Kenbunshoku Haki can fight while spatially slashed apart into pieces. His torse can fight against Brook, his legs can navigate throughout Punk Hazzard and talk via farts, talk despite having his 5 senses spatially severed.
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So does relatively low tier Kenbunshoku as shown by the Sky Priests. They can predict incoming attacks from any angel, up, down, left, right, front and back.
Kenbunshoku Haki like top tier outdoes that in canon.
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That was the first fight tho, that wasnt when he has the omnidirectional vision.
I see you're forgetting the three times satsuki snuck up on him throughout the series
Uzu never fought nui on equal grounds though, he fought her once and then fought a bunch of her clones, hell even the brief fight they had on the Naked Sun she caught him completely off guard
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Fair, I'm referring to her bypassing his Prediction. Also whenever they fought the second time Uzu was borderline stomping Ryuko before Satsuki intervened.
Which is nice for her Stealth Mastery but unfortunately that doesn't mean that she's in turn bypassing his Prediction. Uzu can't predict what he can't sense, he needs to form a 3-D image in his head to predict attacks. He can't do that if he can't sense the opponent, so she's bypassing his senses and not his Prediction. His senses are inferior to what Kenbunshoku Haki offers as far as sensory abilities are concerned, and even if you wanna argue precog for him, his is outdone by Kenbunshoku's several layers of Prediction and Precog.
Sub-Relativistic (Much faster than his previous form, Can keep up with Nui Harime, who was able to blitz his previous form. Landed a small hit on Ragyo, when even Ryuko and Satsuki failed to even touch her)
Also right from the description of the Kill La Kill wiki.
- Expert Swordsman - As a fighter, Sanageyama specializes in swordplay, using the kendō style. He is always seen carrying a shinai - a wooden katana used for kendō practice - which he uses with great skill. He possess great precision, quick reflexes and heightened senses to aid him. Although not as skilled as Satsuki Kiryūin, he eventually becomes strong enough to clash with the likes of Nui Harime, even without a Goku Uniform. He is equally skilled in wielding one sword or dual-wielding and wielding different kinds of blades.
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Again this is early on in the series, I'm referring to ryuko later into the series which is what is being used here
Yeah that's just flat out wrong, Uzu never fought a fully serious Nui 1v1, in all their fights she either curbed him or he was fighting a weaker clone
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Prologue: Esdeath tries to do something and fucken dies unceremoniously Lmao.
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Who, Ryuko or Linlin?
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Anyone in Favor of Inconclusive say Aye or Nay.
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Tbh, if Weekly says Aye I say Aye, because this is a balanced ass matchup