Death Battle Season Ten Discussion Thread (1) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

[XXBenShapiroXx]

I hope whatever animator is doing GvS3 gets to do whatever they want. If it turns out Torrian is animating this I will be somewhat less angry

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

Anime style Rick is cursed

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

Anime style Rick is cursed

Isn't there a R&M anime?

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Oh god,

Are they ok?

Late response but yeah they're fine plus it thankfully didn't put them off from going to future conventions (but now I come along as well).

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

Excuse me, but they're cool as ****, pal

I’m not saying the doctor or Rick, I’m saying things like killua vs misaka who while are good characters, aren’t in the eyes of the public

 

[TMaakkonen]

Alright, ignoring DB stats and VSW stats.

Do you think SDBH Goku would defeat Infinite Frontier Superman?

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Alright, ignoring DB stats and VSW stats.

Do you think SDBH Goku would defeat Infinite Frontier Superman?

At his absolute peak yeah, via the World Forger feat.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Don't think he has a resistance to the Keysword stuff

 

[Spinoirr]

How strong is Rebirth Superman in your opinion

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Alright, ignoring DB stats and VSW stats.

Do you think SDBH Goku would defeat Infinite Frontier Superman?

Like narratively?

 

[TMaakkonen]

Like narratively?

...no, in a standard fight?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Alright, ignoring DB stats and VSW stats.

Do you think SDBH Goku would defeat Infinite Frontier Superman?

I'm not familiar with Heroes/Xenoverse stuff, but just going based off what I've seen, I think yes at his peak. Superman's high end has stuff such as him nearly destroying Heaven, him matching a guy who could destroy the Multiverse both in Pre-Crisis, and Hope, which allowed him to defeat an Anti-Life amped Darkseid. Normally tho? No.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

How strong is Rebirth Superman in your opinion

Current Supes, I'd rank somewhere in Low Multiversal normally, to Tier 1 in his higher ends.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

All Capeshit and Dragon Ball (Heroes) stats from DB relevant to GvS3 (Note that “Omniverse” is code for “the entire cosmology”):

• The Flash vs Sonic - DC Cosmology > Archie Sonic Cosmology
• Zatanna vs Scarlet Witch - Zatanna scales to the cosmology wiper Pralaya, cast a Spell that recreated the entire Omniverse, and is equal to Scarlet Witch, who rivals the Phoenix Force (In the episode, they acknowledge a statement that confirms Pre-Crisis Supes is equal to Zatanna)
• GB vs RF - In a sidebar they confirm the DC Universe has multiple spatial dimensions. The QnA further elaborates that DC’s cosmology is so big that even DBH wouldn’t be enough to save Goku Black, stating “Even in Xenoverse/Heroes the most you can really argue for is multiversal+, with maybe 1 dimension on top of that with some levity”.
• BA vs Apocalypse - Black Adam scaled to the Spectre. Both Black Adam and Apocalypse scale to the “Omniversal cosmology” of Marvel and DC, and were thus equal.
• Ant-Man vs Atom - A sidebar acknowledges DC’s cosmology contains infinite universes, timelines, and higher dimensions.
• Raven vs Phoenix - Raven is equal to the Phoenix via matching the Spectre. The Phoenix is on par with Galactus, defeated the Multiversal Necrom, and held back an Omniverse-busting tsunami.
• MM vs SS - MM has gone toe-to-toe with Supes, Ultraman (Evil Superman), Superboy-Prime (also Evil Superman), Darkseid, and his speed scales to Pre-Crisis Superman’s. He took a punch from Perpetua with just a bloody nose, who’s one of the strongest beings in DC, and is equal to the Silver Surfer, who took a blast from the Infinity Gauntlet and can defeat “Galactus-level threats”.
• Trunks vs Silver - Mechikabura is strong enough to give SSJ4 Vegito trouble and create a multiversal black hole. Future Warrior defeated Demigra when he had control over all time and space, and Chamel, who threatened the whole multiverse. Dragon Ball Heroes’ cosmology “simply does not compare” to Archie Sonic’s cosmology. This is further elaborated on in the QnA (see image below).
• Gogeta vs Vegito - A sidebar implies that now buy Immeasurable speed DBH. Cumber and Mechikabura are multiversal threats.

 

[Spinoirr]

Current Supes, I'd rank somewhere in Low Multiversal normally, to Tier 1 in his higher ends.

How far in tier 1? Like 1-A?

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

All Capeshit and Dragon Ball (Heroes) stats from DB relevant to GvS3 (Note that “Omniverse” is code for “the entire cosmology”):

• Zatanna vs Scarlet Witch - Zatanna scales to the cosmology wiper Pralaya, cast a Spell that recreated the entire Omniverse, and is equal to Scarlet Witch, who rivals the Phoenix Force (In the episode, they acknowledge a statement that confirms Pre-Crisis Supes is equal to Zatanna)
• GB vs RF - In a sidebar they confirm the DC Universe has multiple spatial dimensions. The QnA further elaborates that DC’s cosmology is too big for even DBH wouldn’t be enough to save Goku Black, stating “Even in Xenoverse/Heroes the most you can really argue for is multiversal+, with maybe 1 dimension on top of that with some levity”.
• BA vs Apocalypse - Black Adam scaled to the Spectre. Both Black Adam and Apocalypse scale to the “Omniversal cosmology”, and were thus equal.
• Ant-Man vs Atom - A sidebar acknowledges DC’s cosmology contains infinite universes, timelines, and higher dimensions.
• Raven vs Phoenix - Raven is equal to the Phoenix via matching the Spectre. The Phoenix is on par with Galactus, defeated the Multiversal Necrom, and held back an Omniverse-busting tsunami.
• MM vs SS - MM has gone toe-to-toe with Supes, Ultraman (Evil Superman), Superboy-Prime (also Evil Superman), Darkseid, and his speed scales to Pre-Crisis Superman’s. He took a punch from Perpetua with just a bloody nose, who’s one of the strongest beings in DC, and is equal to the Silver Surfer, who took a blast from the Infinity Gauntlet and can defeat “Galactus-level threats”.
• Trunks vs Silver - Mechikabura is strong enough to give SSJ4 Vegito trouble and create a multiversal black hole. Future Warrior defeated Demigra when he had control over all time and space, and Chamel, who threatened the whole multiverse. Dragon Ball Heroes’ cosmology “simply does not compare” to Archie Sonic’s cosmology. This is further elaborated on in the QnA (see image below).
• Gogeta vs Vegito - A sidebar implies that now buy Immeasurable speed DBH. Cumber and Mechikabura are multiversal threats.

Like I personally have Heros at 6D, which not even this site has. Even with a somewhat generous interpretation to like 7D, Goku just gets washed because of dimensional tiering.

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

On a level playing field Goku would have the hax to compete due to Heros stuff, but he just gets stomped. It's outerversal for low complex multiversal.

Like I don't agree with Death Battle's Heros scaling but they ain't no way this is fair

 

[Spinoirr]

Unironicly, composite Ruby Rose vs Rebirth Superman is way more close then composite Goku vs Rebirth Superman

I'm not even joking, that Blazeblue cross tag battle scaling + the DC x RWBY movies literally work in her favor to make it fair, hell composite Ruby has even met Superman due to those movies

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

The Superman from the shitty RWBY crossover movie is like Tier 7 at best tho

 

[Spinoirr]

The Superman from the shitty RWBY crossover movie is like Tier 7 at best tho

Still, blazblue cross tag scaling is 1-A

Also I like those movies

 

[Chronicplane]

Well Goku's ******.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Goku when he pulls up Soul Regeneration gg

 

[Chronicplane]

All Capeshit and Dragon Ball (Heroes) stats from DB relevant to GvS3 (Note that “Omniverse” is code for “the entire cosmology”):

• The Flash vs Sonic - DC Cosmology > Archie Sonic Cosmology
• Zatanna vs Scarlet Witch - Zatanna scales to the cosmology wiper Pralaya, cast a Spell that recreated the entire Omniverse, and is equal to Scarlet Witch, who rivals the Phoenix Force (In the episode, they acknowledge a statement that confirms Pre-Crisis Supes is equal to Zatanna)
• GB vs RF - In a sidebar they confirm the DC Universe has multiple spatial dimensions. The QnA further elaborates that DC’s cosmology is so big that even DBH wouldn’t be enough to save Goku Black, stating “Even in Xenoverse/Heroes the most you can really argue for is multiversal+, with maybe 1 dimension on top of that with some levity”.
• BA vs Apocalypse - Black Adam scaled to the Spectre. Both Black Adam and Apocalypse scale to the “Omniversal cosmology” of Marvel and DC, and were thus equal.
• Ant-Man vs Atom - A sidebar acknowledges DC’s cosmology contains infinite universes, timelines, and higher dimensions.
• Raven vs Phoenix - Raven is equal to the Phoenix via matching the Spectre. The Phoenix is on par with Galactus, defeated the Multiversal Necrom, and held back an Omniverse-busting tsunami.
• MM vs SS - MM has gone toe-to-toe with Supes, Ultraman (Evil Superman), Superboy-Prime (also Evil Superman), Darkseid, and his speed scales to Pre-Crisis Superman’s. He took a punch from Perpetua with just a bloody nose, who’s one of the strongest beings in DC, and is equal to the Silver Surfer, who took a blast from the Infinity Gauntlet and can defeat “Galactus-level threats”.
• Trunks vs Silver - Mechikabura is strong enough to give SSJ4 Vegito trouble and create a multiversal black hole. Future Warrior defeated Demigra when he had control over all time and space, and Chamel, who threatened the whole multiverse. Dragon Ball Heroes’ cosmology “simply does not compare” to Archie Sonic’s cosmology. This is further elaborated on in the QnA (see image below).
• Gogeta vs Vegito - A sidebar implies that now buy Immeasurable speed DBH. Cumber and Mechikabura are multiversal threats.

Yikes...ya know them being this crystal clear on where they have the power scales of DC's Cosmology, Archie's Cosmology and Heroes Cosmology it really does hammer in the fact that they aren't revisting this matchup because Goku can beat Superman(he can't to no one's surprise) but because Ben's so ashamed and disgusted at how poorly GvS2 (and the 1s GvS) that they wanted to correct there pot holes and get there s*** right.

But this is just at the expense of many Dragon Ball fans, Goku fans (myself included) that he's gonna be taking another L, an all of this could've been forgiven if they had just went about ammending there past error's differently.

I'll be skipping this episode, the only kind of interest I have is who they may get to animate the fight, if DevilArtemis comes back to do it I may check in to watch the fight but that's as far as I'd be willing.

 

[Spinoirr]

Yikes...ya know them being this crystal clear on where they have the power scales of DC's Cosmology, Archie's Cosmology and Heroes Cosmology it really does hammer in the fact that they aren't revisting this matchup because Goku can beat Superman(he can't to no one's surprise) but because Ben's so ashamed and disgusted at how poorly GvS2 (and the 1s GvS) that they wanted to correct there pot holes and get there s*** right.

But this is just at the expense of many Dragon Ball fans, Goku fans (myself included) that he's gonna be taking another L, an all of this could've been forgiven if they had just went about ammending there past error's differently.

I'll be skipping this episode, the only kind of interest I have is who they may get to animate the fight, if DevilArtemis comes back to do it I may check in to watch the fight but that's as far as I'd be willing.

Ben whenever someone asks him about Goku vs Superman 1 and 2

 

[TMaakkonen]

It sure will be a moment when they will apologize and say that Superman does in fact have limits and then 6 minutes later they'll say he can destroy entirety of DC :V

 

[Spinoirr]

It sure will be a moment when they will apologize and say that Superman does in fact have limits and then 6 minutes later they'll say he can destroy entirety of DC :V

"Yes Superman has limits, but at his peak he can fight guys who can detroy the outerverse!"

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Plot twist, Death Battle uses the vsbw DC cosmology and pushes Heros to 7D.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

DevilArtemis comes back to do it I may check in to watch the fight but that's as far as I'd be willing.

That would be GODLY

 

[Jasonsith]

Tbf, I think they mentioned Wally and Thawne as cosmology wipers

Wally West and Eobard Thawne are described as cosmology wipers
Barry Allen defeated Eobard and matched Wally.
What could they give to Hunter Zolomon and August Heart?
Whom you want them to fight against?

 

[Jasonsith]

Tbh, I would’ve taken Goku vs Ryu over this

Goku vs Ryu is literally in the Tournament of Champions, losing slightly to Sailor Moon vs Madoka Kaname.

Goku vs Ryu IS somehow popular.

 

[Tipper17]

All Capeshit and Dragon Ball (Heroes) stats from DB relevant to GvS3 (Note that “Omniverse” is code for “the entire cosmology”):

• The Flash vs Sonic - DC Cosmology > Archie Sonic Cosmology
• Zatanna vs Scarlet Witch - Zatanna scales to the cosmology wiper Pralaya, cast a Spell that recreated the entire Omniverse, and is equal to Scarlet Witch, who rivals the Phoenix Force (In the episode, they acknowledge a statement that confirms Pre-Crisis Supes is equal to Zatanna)
• GB vs RF - In a sidebar they confirm the DC Universe has multiple spatial dimensions. The QnA further elaborates that DC’s cosmology is so big that even DBH wouldn’t be enough to save Goku Black, stating “Even in Xenoverse/Heroes the most you can really argue for is multiversal+, with maybe 1 dimension on top of that with some levity”.
• BA vs Apocalypse - Black Adam scaled to the Spectre. Both Black Adam and Apocalypse scale to the “Omniversal cosmology” of Marvel and DC, and were thus equal.
• Ant-Man vs Atom - A sidebar acknowledges DC’s cosmology contains infinite universes, timelines, and higher dimensions.
• Raven vs Phoenix - Raven is equal to the Phoenix via matching the Spectre. The Phoenix is on par with Galactus, defeated the Multiversal Necrom, and held back an Omniverse-busting tsunami.
• MM vs SS - MM has gone toe-to-toe with Supes, Ultraman (Evil Superman), Superboy-Prime (also Evil Superman), Darkseid, and his speed scales to Pre-Crisis Superman’s. He took a punch from Perpetua with just a bloody nose, who’s one of the strongest beings in DC, and is equal to the Silver Surfer, who took a blast from the Infinity Gauntlet and can defeat “Galactus-level threats”.
• Trunks vs Silver - Mechikabura is strong enough to give SSJ4 Vegito trouble and create a multiversal black hole. Future Warrior defeated Demigra when he had control over all time and space, and Chamel, who threatened the whole multiverse. Dragon Ball Heroes’ cosmology “simply does not compare” to Archie Sonic’s cosmology. This is further elaborated on in the QnA (see image below).
• Gogeta vs Vegito - A sidebar implies that now buy Immeasurable speed DBH. Cumber and Mechikabura are multiversal threats.

"Don't worry Goku may have a chance now"
Idk how delusional folks can think this in 2023

 

[Tipper17]

Yikes...ya know them being this crystal clear on where they have the power scales of DC's Cosmology, Archie's Cosmology and Heroes Cosmology it really does hammer in the fact that they aren't revisting this matchup because Goku can beat Superman(he can't to no one's surprise) but because Ben's so ashamed and disgusted at how poorly GvS2 (and the 1s GvS) that they wanted to correct there pot holes and get there s*** right.

But this is just at the expense of many Dragon Ball fans, Goku fans (myself included) that he's gonna be taking another L, an all of this could've been forgiven if they had just went about ammending there past error's differently.

I'll be skipping this episode, the only kind of interest I have is who they may get to animate the fight, if DevilArtemis comes back to do it I may check in to watch the fight but that's as far as I'd be willing.

They really brought Goku to feed him to Clark again
0-3 gonna hit like crack

 

[Chronicplane]

The only time Dragon Ball won against a comic book capeshit that wasn't a 3rd rate was when Broly took the belt against Hulk and that was just before Death Battle applied cosmology tiering.

 

[Kontororou]

Anything but that for Goku vs Superman replacement

SSJ5 Goku vs Mewthree?

 

[Jasonsith]

SSJ5 Goku vs Mewthree?

One can dream so hard however

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Since they caved and redid Goku vs Superman in order to fix their research errors (and to get views), what are the chances of a Ben 10 vs Hal Jordan rematch?

That episode’s more controversial than GvS to be clear

 

[Jasonsith]

Since they caved and redid Goku vs Superman in order to fix their research errors (and to get views), what are the chances of a Ben 10 vs Hal Jordan rematch?

That episode’s more controversial than GvS to be clear

A rematch that actually... is not to fix errors where there are no errors?

I would see a higher chance on redoing Wally West vs Archie Sonic if it means anything.

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Not sure if it is a fix on prior error or a new update that is relevant, but Mario vs Sonic 3 is likely. Given how Sonic Frontiers largely confirms that Sonic is Low 2-C in base form and 2-A in super form while Mario is 6-C in base form and up to 2-B with powerups.

 

[Tyranno223]

Since they caved and redid Goku vs Superman in order to fix their research errors (and to get views), what are the chances of a Ben 10 vs Hal Jordan rematch?

That episode’s more controversial than GvS to be clear

That one's more of a failure to convey their arguments than an utter failure in research like the GvS sequel (giving the og a pass since that was season one DB).

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

A rematch that actually... is not to fix errors where there are no errors?

I would see a higher chance on redoing Wally West vs Archie Sonic if it means anything.

The post-analysis of B10 vs GL is infamously bad, **** you mean “no errors”?

Sonic vs Flash isn’t that bad

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Since they caved and redid Goku vs Superman in order to fix their research errors (and to get views), what are the chances of a Ben 10 vs Hal Jordan rematch?

That episode’s more controversial than GvS to be clear

Ehhhhhhhhhh nah. I feel it's just not as big as GvS in general to need a redo.

And they're probably gonna have Hal win again.