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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (2024–2025) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

Tipper17 said:
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Doesn't Ash have God on his side or something?
 
ZeNoviceArtist said:
Do I have to avoid this site for 3 days again like OmniDick?
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You shouldnt, last time had early preview for KS Backers, it should now launch normally for everyone at same time.

The whole subjective thing sucks ass, because it allows DB to say anything they want, even wrong things, but they would get away from every complaint about it because "its subjective".

VS is subjective, but a lot of things used in it arent. Hell, those subjective sayers basically can never complain about verdict and research then lol
 
I was watching some funny sonic 06 gameplay and realized a few things

Sonic runs away and fails to defeat an orca, dies immediately upon contact with water, has to run around for multiple minutes to catch some normal human kids on a city block and gets almost knocked out by hitting a normal wall he isn’t even sent through.

Sonic bros it isn’t looking good for us
 
ZeNoviceArtist said:
How many characters from toddler shows are in this site?
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Why does that matter?
Let alone in this thread of all places? What toddler show are you hoping will end up on Death Battle?!
Dust_Collector said:
Street level (Can make puddles by jumping at this level[1])

Now this is what powerscaling is all about
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This feat is dumb, though.
Like, conceptually. Not in terms of philosophical concepts, but because anyone can jump in mud, & unless it's being done in a way that demonstrates exceptional strength or weakness.
When you try to conceive in your mind -As in, think about, or determine what?- could be a good feat, as in try to think of a concept for what could be a feat....
Who thinks of something as mundane as jumping in a mud puddle?!

But under scrutiny, the characters jump super-human levels into the air (Like, distances I'm sure no real athlete, olympic or otherwise could achieve.), so it's notable, & in that regard, it is reasonable to index because of scale.
Even if the concept of the feat or the medium it originates from is ridiculous & disdained, it's still reasonable to document.

We are an indexing site, & sometimes someone wants to know "Could this preschooler character kill someone"?
& the answer is surprisingly often, yes. But not everyone has access to the information or logic to explain why themselves.

So, because such characters & topics are notable, & within in our field of interest (Versus Debating. How powerful are things?) it's reasonable to index.
That's my opinion.

I can think of at least 4 characters from FREAKING Sesame Street who could probably kill, or at least seriously physically mess up a person without much difficulty.
 
JoshDoshMosh said:
Part 4 solos
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Fair, Josuke is my second favorite JoJo.
JoshDoshMosh said:
Also really cute story
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Thank you. They loved it whenever Joseph did some wacky ****; like they were hysterical at the scene where Joseph was trying to sneak into the minecart.

"This guy's friggin' hilarious, you never know what he's gonna do next!" ~My grandmother
 
Imaginym said:
Why does that matter?
Let alone in this thread of all places? What toddler show are you hoping will end up on Death Battle?!
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I thought the question was relevant to conversation at the time about powerscaling brainrot.

Although now that you ask, I wanna see Super Why and Dora The Explorer.
 
Showing people things you love just for their reactions is always a treat.

My father is easily scared so showing him even entry level things spooks the shit out of him. He calls VHS 94 a movie for serial killers. Not horror but when we watched primal he freaked the **** out when spears family got killed, “WHAT THE **** ARE YOU SHOWING ME” he ended up loving the series.

My grandmother watched Star Wars for the first time completely oblivious to the fact that Vader was Luke’s father. How she didn’t know that piece of info amazes me.
 
ZeNoviceArtist said:
I thought the question was relevant to conversation at the time about powerscaling brainrot.

Although now that you ask, I wanna see Super Why and Dora The Explorer.
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IDK about Super Why, but there seems to be stuff out there for Dora. But finding the sources would be an ordeal.

Still, her series is like, two decades old & one of Nickelodeon's biggest IPs, practically the "Disney Princess" of Nick; I can readily believe she has stuff.

Thankfully, a thread on Space Battles provides some pretty good leads.

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/dora-the-explorer-vs.601175/

"Well she has complete access to a plethora of sentient star-shaped creatures that produce a variety of effects ranging from super speed to super strength to fixing just about anything to an early warning system that prevents Dora from being snuck up on to-

And I'm stopping there. Why in the hell are we trying to quantify Dora the Explorer?"

I'm not sure where the super speed & super strength stuff comes from. It could be a different episode or something. But the Star Catcher episode has her use the help of some sentient Stars which can aid her with their powers.

Continuing....

"Well two other stars allow her to control wind and ice.

She also has Map who can canonically lead her to whatever she needs to find whenever she needs it.

I think those are the last major things.

Oh. There's a star that makes everything slippery so no one will be able to grab hold of her. I guess....

That's all I remember of the original series off hand. Don't think I missed anything major and I never watched the sequel show so now sure what she's got in that."

As it turns out, those stars are real.

Gusty Star​

Gusty Star is an Explorer Star whose power is being able to create strong winds. He appeared in the episode "What Happens Next?".

Helada​

Helada is the icy Explorer Star who can make snow. She can also create ice sculptures and manipulate the ice and snow into whatever form she wants. She appeared in To the South Pole.

https://dora.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Catcher/Gallery
& in that episode, she uses 1 of them to jump from ground level to Cloud Castle. As you can guess, it's a castle on top of clouds, so she probably just jumped like, 1 KM high. The Star's power is jumping, so unless the Star has some kind of protection power....

I hate making this comparison, but they could be akin to Wisps from Sonic, in that despite their sentience, they could be considered equipment for her.

Finding the potency of those other Stars would require checking more feats.
If anyone wants to scour that, the DtE Fandom Wiki seems well-documented & thorough with its summaries & galleries.

https://dora.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_colored_Explorer_Stars

So let's get a quick list of powers the Stars have.
& no, I am NOT going to check what all of them do right now, because there doesn't seem to be much demand for serious analysis of the topic.
If there were, then maybe, but as is, the scans are there.

1. Saltador: Jump good. (Like, 1000 meters or so high jump good.)
2. Glowy: Makes light. DtE Wiki says "for seeing in the dark or use her heat to melt ice or goo".
3. Noisy: Honks like a horn, to alert others, such as when Swiper was around.
4. Switchy: Can switch between a few basic geometrical shape forms.
5. Tool Star: The DtE says "can fix something with all the super-cool tools"
6. Rocket Star: "Rocket Star is the fastest Explorer Star, who helps Dora and Boots go super fast." (Probably what the SBF poster meant by super speed.)
7. Hero Star: "Hero Star is the strongest of the Explorer Stars. His ability is lifting up heavy objects, similar to Supra, Ultra, and Mega Star, he is most likely stronger than them."
8. Woo-Hoo: "Woo-Hoo is the peek-a-boo Explorer Star. He is good at playing hide-and-seek, and is helpful at finding things."
9. Funny Star: "Funny Star is the super silly Explorer Star. He loves to pull funny faces and make people laugh and giggle."
10. Artista: "Artista is the colorful writing Explorer Star. She can draw shapes in the air. "
11. Sliparooni: "Sliparooni is the slippery Explorer Star. He slides everywhere and can scrub things that are dirty and make them clean again."
12. Mágico: "Mágico is the magic wizard Explorer Star. He is full of magic tricks and can disappear and reappear in many places."
13. Disco Star is a disco Explorer Star. He has all different kinds of tunes for a great party. He even spins like a disco ball.
14. "Spy Star is the undercover Explorer Star. His ability is being a super spy. He is really good at sneaking up on people, and has a lot of cool super spy gadgets."
15. "Helada is the icy Explorer Star who can make snow. She can also create ice sculptures and manipulate the ice and snow into whatever form she wants. "
16. "Comfy Star is the comfy Explorer Star. Her ability is to cheer up sad people and she also cuddles with children."
17. "Fairy Star is a magic Explorer Star. Just like Magico, her is to magically make things appear with a magic wand. She appeared in the episode Dora's Fairytale Adventure. She even turned Dora back into a princess at the end of the aforementioned episode."
18. "Supra, Ultra, and Mega are the three super strong Explorer Stars. Their power is super strength, similar to Hero Star."
19. "Gusty Star is an Explorer Star whose power is being able to create strong winds. "

There's also some Stars that aren't so much super-powered beings as about jobs. Like being a baker, a baseball player, or in the navy.

Notably, Dora is a "Star Catcher", which seems analogous to a Pokemon Trainer? Something about needing to respect the Stars.
Dora catches Stars during episodes & they live in her "Star Pocket".

So, summons? Equipment?
But yeah. Various powers like Statistics Amplification/Superhuman Physical Characteristics (Jumping good, lifting (Such as lifting an Apatosaurus (A feat which Hero Star is implied to be superior to.)), super speed, etc.), Light Manipulation, Heat Manipulation, Sound Manipulation, Air Manipulation, can make things clean or slippery,, gadgets, Ice Manipulation, Empathic Manipulation (?), Teleportation, Creation, maybe Existence Erasure(Would need to check Magico/Fairy.), Transformation & probably other stuff.

If Dora can use those powers for herself, she might be a bit intimidating.

There's this profile, but the P&A are the only part with stuff that we could take seriously:
https://joke-battles.fandom.com/wiki/Dora_the_Explorer_(character)
It's JBW, so naturally, a lot of it uses facetious logic & other stuff has dubious justifications.
Plus, needs sourcing.

Would probably need to contact the profile creator to see if they can help with sourcing. Checking the history, said user seems to be someone who's still in the community & semi-active.


"Dora still has the Snow Crystal from the episode 'Dora Rescues The Snow Princess'. In canon, she uses this to freeze an evil witch's wand and it immediately shatters, suggesting it would likely injure if not kill a normal human easily. She also has the Travel Cape that lets her travel back in time or through space by singing a short song. So at the minimum to beat Dora you need to be immune to having the night of your conception derailed by dad's wood being flash-frozen."
She can warp reality at the small scale. (planetary at best)
(Dubious. Poster did not explain not provide sources.)
 
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LegendariumOfLies said:
Dora the Explorer vs Word Girl lol
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There's probably other stuff I didn't cover, but Dora has a variety of powers & can do some superhuman stuff with the Stars she catches that live in her pocket, & has Ice Manipulation & Time Travel with equipment.
There may also be other stuff I'm missing.

However, WordGirl is 6-C & MFTL.. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Wordgirl
The speed is for going from the moon to the sun quickly, for what that's worth.
https://wordgirl.fandom.com/wiki/Lexonite

Also, potentially unlike Kryptonians WordGirl's race (Lexiconians) may not even get weakened by her planet's materials, or at least, not all of it.

"There is a gigantic mural adorning the ceiling of the library in WordGirl's spaceship. It depicts a society of superheroes dressed in capes and outfits very similar to WordGirl. Almost everyone on the mural is flying and holding a book, and many friendly monkeys can be seen in the background of the mural as well.

It is unknown if this mural depicts the real Lexicon or not."

So:
A. Lexiconians have superpowers on Lexicon, too. (Despite the Lexonite? Is it just rare or in places where it can't radiate? Could also be the limited range?)
B. WordGirl's insane Lexiconian parents or whoever, sent her to Earth AS A BABY, with the intent of her becoming a superhero, & the mural was meant as some kind of vague guidance or inspiration. (It does show her people in the same kind of attire as her superhero outfit.)

What's crazier, is Lexicon isn't even known to have been destroyed. So for all we know, WordGirl was some kind of interplanetary child abandonment scheme.
"At one point, the evil alien Miss Power was searching for a new world to conquer. Lexicon was one of the potential planets on her holographic list, but she ignored it after deciding it had 'too many rings.'"

So while their daughter is off working to be a superhero, WordGirl's would-be parents are probably playing golf or at night clubs or whatever.


The best I can say for Dora is I vaguely recall hearing about feats of her travelling on a constellation or something, which could be faster, but that might not give her the reactions, combat speed or durability, even if it gave her the travel speed to keep up.

Source that & maybe you have a case, but as is, Dora gets destroyed.

There might be a chance with Time Travel. Though IDK when Lexonite first showed up on WG's Earth, if Dora could even time travel.

https://wordgirl.fandom.com/wiki/Lexicon

On the official WordGirl website, it used to state on WordGirl's profile that when she was an infant, she was found on the Botsfords' front steps reading their newspaper. However, in the episode "WordGirl Makes a Mistake", while telling Mr. Botsford and TJ she's WordGirl, she says the Botsfords found her as an infant in the woods with Huggy, which is either an oversight or retcon.

So WordGirl was on Earth as a baby (Exact circumstances uncertain.) which means that if Dora could find some Lexonite, use her Travel Cape to Time Travel, Dora could go back in time & murder Becky.

But Dora might still lose that, because in 1 of the versions of WG's backstory, she was first found in the woods with her voracious monkey sidekick, Captain Huggy Face.

& since Captain Huggy Face isn't weak to Lexonite, to beat WordGirl, Dora the Explorer has to survive fighting a hostile alien monkey in the woods.

Sorry for all the kind of off-topic yammering.
 
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Imaginym said:
There's probably other stuff I didn't cover, but Dora has a variety of powers & can do some superhuman stuff with the Stars she catches that live in her pocket, & has Ice Manipulation & Time Travel with equipment.
There may also be other stuff I'm missing.

However, WordGirl is 6-C & MFTL.. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Wordgirl
The speed is for going from the moon to the sun quickly, for what that's worth.
https://wordgirl.fandom.com/wiki/Lexonite

Also, potentially unlike Kryptonians WordGirl's race (Lexiconians) may not even get weakened by her planet's materials, or at least, not all of it.

"There is a gigantic mural adorning the ceiling of the library in WordGirl's spaceship. It depicts a society of superheroes dressed in capes and outfits very similar to WordGirl. Almost everyone on the mural is flying and holding a book, and many friendly monkeys can be seen in the background of the mural as well.

It is unknown if this mural depicts the real Lexicon or not."

So:
A. Lexiconians have superpowers on Lexicon, too. (Despite the Lexonite? Is it just rare or in places where it can't radiate? Could also be the limited range?)
B. WordGirl's insane Lexiconian parents or whoever, sent her to Earth AS A BABY, with the intent of her becoming a superhero, & the mural was meant as some kind of vague guidance or inspiration. (It does show her people in the same kind of attire as her superhero outfit.)

What's crazier, is Lexicon isn't even known to have been destroyed. So for all we know, WordGirl was some kind of interplanetary child abandonment scheme.
"At one point, the evil alien Miss Power was searching for a new world to conquer. Lexicon was one of the potential planets on her holographic list, but she ignored it after deciding it had 'too many rings.'"

So while their daughter is off working to be a superhero, WordGirl's would-be parents are probably playing golf or at night clubs or whatever.


The best I can say for Dora is I vaguely recall hearing about feats of her travelling on a constellation or something, which could be faster, but that might not give her the reactions, combat speed or durability, even if it gave her the travel speed to keep up.

Source that & maybe you have a case, but as is, Dora gets destroyed.

There might be a chance with Time Travel. Though IDK when Lexonite first showed up on WG's Earth, if Dora could even time travel.

https://wordgirl.fandom.com/wiki/Lexicon

On the official WordGirl website, it used to state on WordGirl's profile that when she was an infant, she was found on the Botsfords' front steps reading their newspaper. However, in the episode "WordGirl Makes a Mistake", while telling Mr. Botsford and TJ she's WordGirl, she says the Botsfords found her as an infant in the woods with Huggy, which is either an oversight or retcon.

So WordGirl was on Earth as a baby (Exact circumstances uncertain.) which means that if Dora could find some Lexonite, use her Travel Cape to Time Travel, Dora could go back in time & murder Becky.

But Dora might still lose that, because in 1 of the versions of WG's backstory, she was first found in the woods with her voracious monkey sidekick, Captain Huggy Face.

& since Captain Huggy Face isn't weak to Lexonite, to beat WordGirl, Dora the Explorer has to survive fighting a hostile alien monkey in the woods.

Sorry for all the kind of off-topic yammering.
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This is why I prefer Super Why for WordGirl and Blue for Dora.
 
Jimmy.robinson.5099 said:
This is why I prefer Super Why for WordGirl and Blue for Dora.
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Are you telling me you actually know Super Why well enough to have an idea of how Super Why vs WordGirl goes?
Like, I could believe if you do, & that's fine, I suppose, just surprised, & somewhat curious how the matchup is.

(Also, Blue is just a regular dog or maybe a weird reality warper. & FWIW, Dora has some kinds of Reality Warping with wishes, so it may just be a mismatch.)
 
Imaginym said:
Are you telling me you actually know Super Why well enough to have an idea of how Super Why vs WordGirl goes?
Like, I could believe if you do, & that's fine, I suppose, just surprised, & somewhat curious how the matchup is.

(Also, Blue is just a regular dog or maybe a weird reality warper. & FWIW, Dora has some kinds of Reality Warping with wishes, so it may just be a mismatch.)
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I wouldn't call myself "knowledgable", but I can say this much: if you buy Super Why's power as straight up reality warping, then he wins a LOT of his MUs.
 
Jimmy.robinson.5099 said:
I wouldn't call myself "knowledgable", but I can say this much: if you buy Super Why's power as straight up reality warping, then he wins a LOT of his MUs.
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Reading, it seems like Immersion & Plot Manipulation.

Of course, even if it's just a book/story in one's normal reality, if it's the reality you're in, Plot Manipulation is potentially potent stuff.

TV Tropes says this on the matter:
  • So you got a bunch of heroes who can traverse fictional universes with ease and alter a story by replacing and changing words in the story's text. Seems normal, except when you consider this: You have a group of individuals who can travel to any fictional universe and permanently alter the rules, laws, events, continuity, objects, and characters of its reality by changing the very text its based upon! How does it feel to know that the most powerful character in all of fiction might not be an Infinity-Gauntlet wearing Thanos or a sun-charged Superman Prime, but a little kid on a show for elementary schoolers?
(Not entirely accurate, but it kind of expresses the gist of why such characters are potentially intimidating.)
Though apparently, they can't/don't use their powers in their hub world, only the books/stories.


Nonetheless, doesn't seem like a 'verse I'd wanna work on. Preschool stuff, & the way their Reality Warping or Plot Manipulation or whatever sounds like it works, means it's very "swingy". Either their victory is all too easily achievable because the resources are there, or they don't work in the setting. (Then again, maybe it comes down to skill?)

Either way, IDK if the thread cares much for more of this topic.
 
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So with the fight coming out next week and plenty of discussions here about what we want to see in the fight, what are some things you don't want to see DB bring up in regards to Joker vs Giorno?

On the Joker side I'd really not like to see them consider him close to Outerversal or what their version of that is. Even as a Joker fan it just doesn't sit well with me and that's not the reason I like the guy. Also hoping they don't do any weird jokes about him dating his teacher or the other adult Confidants. Just... nah.

For Giorno I don't have nearly as much since I'm not too invested in Jojo past part 3, but biggest thing would be making GER the new NLF mascot. I don't believe they'll do that but just would not want to have that even in discussion.
 
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