Infinite-sized DC Comics universes

[Eficiente]

To note, as we know, "infinite" can refer to how it is ever-growing, meaning that even sources that do not lie may not can mean this and say the truth w/o being hyperbolic. If they mean infinite as in a set size, they may or may not be hyperbolic depending on context and one's interpretation, but calling the unverse of all things infinite is pretty much the most used hyperbole in human history, even by sources that try to teach about it.

If there is undeniable proof of it being infinite in Marvel or DC then sure, it would be, but when higher implications don't hold up like characters ending up with infinite speed or ends of the universe being proven to exist then that creates issues. If infinite speed were inconsistent (As it is) I would be willing to believe that worldbuilding wise the universe is infinite but feats that give off infinite speed because of it are outliers. Ends of the universe existing are another deal entirely and the universe can't be infinite with them. If it needs to be said, then yes this refers to the universe itself having limits rather than the stuff within it.

And yes this should be a thread for each verse and 1 at a time, that this will become more apparent later is an issue that can be skipped.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

"Edge of infinity", literally, by definition, is an Oxymoron. Poetic device, ignore.

Infinity can have an edge, imagine a finite line extends to infinity, the beginning of the line would be an edge

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Add in the OP that we can discuss if characters are high 3-A in another thread, not here

 

[The_Impress]

Infinity can have an edge, imagine a finite line extends to infinity, the beginning of the line would be an edge

When discussing area and by proxy coordinates, you will use a line, not a ray. You defined a ray there, mate, which requires there to be a source.

A line will extend in both directions and thus there isn’t a beginning.

 

[Hellbeast]

I mean haven’t we ignored the edge thing? Like a lot of feats involve covering all of an infinite space or traversing their entirety in finite time and yet those are valid

considering the volume of these statements I’d have to think carefully. I do agree DC should be it’s own thread, especially since continuities may have different views

 

[XXKINGXX69]

When discussing area and by proxy coordinates, you will use a line, not a ray. You defined a ray there, mate, which requires there to be a source.

A line will extend in both directions and thus there isn’t a beginning.

Why would the line always extend in both directions? If it extends in 1 direction to infinity, it would still be infinite

 

[Confluctor]

Since DC is my main priority for this, I have removed the marvel shit for now. Can deal with that some other time when it becomes a priority. Although some of them "debunks" aren't even debunks but just cherry-picking descriptions. Nice.

 

[The_Impress]

Why would the line always extend in both directions?

...because that is the definition of a line.

 

[StekFence]

Why would the line always extend in both directions? If it extends in 1 direction to infinity, it would still be infinite

That’s the definition of a line

 

[sanicspood]

I don’t understand why it would make heralds feats all of a sudden not usable because were about to consider the marvel universe to be infinitr

 

[XXKINGXX69]

That’s the definition of a line

No?

...because that is the definition of a line.

No it won't if I have 5cm line and add more length to one side of the line, the other wouldn't extend

And there are an infinite number of numbers between 1 and 2, and 1 and 2 are the edges

 

[The_Impress]

No it won't if I have 5cm line and add more length to one side of the line, the other wouldn't extend

It would, if you added 2 cm you now have a 7 cm line SEGMENT.

Like, this is not a complex or obscure concept, this is 8th grade maths.

And there are an infinite number of numbers between 1 and 2, and 1 and 2 are the edges

When you're talking macro-scale, the "infinite numbers" become negligible.

 

[Hasty12345]

so is the set of natural all numbers not infinite because it starts at 1?

 

[XXKINGXX69]

It would, if you added 2 cm you now have a 7 cm line SEGMENT.

Like, this is not a complex or obscure concept, this is 8th grade maths.

When you're talking macro-scale, the "infinite numbers" become negligible.

Ok but the line is still 7cm

 

[KLOL506]

C'mon guys, why are y'all discussing Marvel in a DC thread

 

[KLOL506]

I mean haven’t we ignored the edge thing? Like a lot of feats involve covering all of an infinite space or traversing their entirety in finite time and yet those are valid

considering the volume of these statements I’d have to think carefully. I do agree DC should be it’s own thread, especially since continuities may have different views

Like

This is a DC thread. Why is Marvel being brought up in this thread in the first place?

 

[Hasty12345]

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but in case you're not, this thread started off with both Marvel and DC in the revision.

 

[Jibz]

Because it was a join marvel and DC thread until Confluctor edited out the Marvel part due to Impress's complaints.

 

[KLOL506]

Because it was a join marvel and DC thread until Confluctor edited out the Marvel part due to Impress's complaints.

Wait, it was? **** me.

 

[KLOL506]

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but in case you're not, this thread started off with both Marvel and DC in the revision.

You have got to be kidding me. Guess I came in late. My apologies.

 

[StekFence]

Ok but the line is still 7cm

That’s only called a “line” for convenience. It’s still not an actual line. It’s a segment of a line

 

[Ehnkr2beboh]

I agree with DC Universes being infinite.
Doesn't really change anything, but for more supporting stuff, this scan says the cosmos are infinite (Superman #106), and this one says there's infinite space (New Gods #30).

 

[Firestorm808]

I'll document when available the statements regarding the universe.

 

[CowHeadGod]

Sure, agree I guess
Some backing statements of infinite DC universes I have lying around:

• DC Comics Presents Vol 1 #28 [Pre-Crisis]
• Superman: The Last God of Krypton [Post-Crisis]
• Final Crisis: Secret Files [Post-Crisis] (the narration comes after Libra has entered the Sphere of Gods)
• Action Comics Vol 1 #782 [Post-Crisis]

and on the topic of the DC universe; the DC universe itself has been stated to be multi-dimensional layered beyond 11 dimensions (another example) and only separated by different rates of vibrations (all sources are provided in the imgur links). So shouldn't destroying a DC universe equate to low 2-C?

 

[Transcending]

If this gets accepted, what would happen to feats like this and this?

 

[Firestorm808]

The Green Lantern Sectors don't completely cover the universe.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

If this gets accepted, what would happen to feats like this and this?

We can talk about that in another thread

 

[XXKINGXX69]

The Green Lantern Sectors don't completely cover the universe.

Why not? Why do you think they call them sectors of the universe?

 

[Firestorm808]

Our Worlds at War has it's own universe dimensions description, but we can discuss that later.

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

multi-dimensional layered beyond 11 dimensions (another time) and only separated by different rates of vibrations (all sources are provided in the imgur links). So shouldn't destroying a DC universe equate to low 2-C?

only mentioned in imperiex story

 

[Firestorm808]

Why not? Why do you think they call them sectors of the universe?

As shown in the earlier scan, there is still more unsectored space past the 3600 Lantern sectors.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

If this gets accepted, what would happen to feats like this and this?

Infinite Speed

 

[XXKINGXX69]

As shown in the earlier scan, there is still more unsectored space past the 3600 Lantern sectors.

send it

 

[Transcending]

Infinite Speed

Finally, after all this time

 

[XXKINGXX69]

There are so many immeasurable speed feats for dc heralds

 

[Confluctor]

If this gets accepted, what would happen to feats like this and this?

Green lanterns would only apply to 3600 sectors. If anything, that would mean the 3600 in total are at the very least 200 trillion light years. So that should go up. But universe crossing - like proper space stuff and not just a cluster of galaxies - should be infinite speed.

As for Wondy's... I think DC uni was expanded 60 Million or billion light years in a second. So maybe we can use something like that? I cannot recall the context too well so can't say much.

 

[Transcending]

There are so many immeasurable speed feats for dc heralds

There are, but I think MFTL+ is still a better tier.

 

[CowHeadGod]

As for Wondy's... I think DC uni was expanded 60 Million or billion light years in a second. So maybe we can use something like that? I cannot recall the context too well so can't say much.

Action Comics Vol 1 #782 [Post-Crisis]

 

[Firestorm808]

send it

If this gets accepted, what would happen to feats like this?

The 3600 Sectors don't touch the Source Wall.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

The 3600 Sectors don't touch the Source Wall.

The Source Wall isn't the literal edge of the universe, its another dimension