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Alright, so it's been a little over a week since I made the thread discussing the issues with the 5-B recalc of Dorathea's cloud split feat. I've been chillin, hanging with my family and all around de-stressing myself. With that said, I've been sitting on this revision thread. As explained on this thread, Dorathea's feat as it is currently is considered invalid so obviously, the characters need to be revised.
I'm not fond on just leaving them at 5-B when the calc is invalid and we've got the scaling to replace it. However, I won't be heavily participating in this revision unless an issue is brought for that needs my attention. I also want as many people to state their opinion as possible because it was only until after I spent the time editing all the profiles, did an issue regarding the 5-B calc was brought to my attention and I'd rather not have that happen again. So this thread will remain open until enough people agree on whatever is decided.
Tier 7/6 (Downgrade)
First all start with the downgrades. Like I mentioned before in that thread, I don't think Dorathea's low balled feat should be used given the context of the statements but I cannot decide that alone and so I'll leave that up to you guys.
Planetary Storms
It was suggested to use Vortex becoming a planetary storm, as well as the Soul Shredder which can create a planetary storm as well to scale the God Tier characters to Low 6-B as the Crown of Fire and the Ring of Rage should scale above both of them given statements.
Ecto-Skeleton Multiplier
The Ecto-Skeleton has an accepted multiplier of a hundred times, this means Danny Phantom and those who scale to him will be 100x weaker than the Low 6-B rating. Making them 6-C which is consistent with Vortex's 6-C base level of power, so Season 3 characters will have support from Vortex's 6-C feat since Danny and Vlad can survive attacks from Vortex who has no indication of holding back. And other characters can harm that Danny The Top Tier characters like base Pariah Dark will scale to 10x base Danny because he can force 10% Ecto-Skeleton Danny to struggle.
Dorathea's Feat
If majority want to use the low end of Dorathea's feat, it can be used as a supporting feat
Possible Tier 4 (Upgrade)
I planned on using this to upgrade the verse after the 5-B feat was accepted but... it was deemed invalid soon after so I didn't bother, plus it was decided that I take a break from revsions for a bit. Regardless of the outcome, I wanted to bring this feat back up but since it's a high feat, I'm only suggesting a possibly.
The Reality Gauntlet
So, the reason we stopped using The Reality Gauntlet for scaling was because it's feats are hax. However, this is not the case, as directly stated by the GIW (Guys in White) the gauntlet has enough "spectral power to eradicate ghosts forever". Freakshow also states that the gauntlet is useless without it's power source and even states that it became twice as powerful once he activated the next gem.
Once all the gems were active, Freakshow literally removes the sun. We know he did this because when Danny fixed all of Freakshow's changes to reality, the sun literally reappeared which means he did casually remove the sun which is at minimum, baseline 4-C. This can 100% be used for scaling because it was capable of doing this using raw spectral power (ghost energy) from the combined reality gems power and not from a single one's ability as Freakshow could only preform said feat when all gems were activated. Plus we also see Freakshow use the power of the gauntlet offensively to enhance his power so the gauntlets power can be translated to AP.
Edit: It was suggested that this feat be considered 4-A because Freakshow warped the space into a starry sky which is 4-A. There is also this calc regarding the creation of realms with starry skies that could be used, maybe.
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Crown of Fire and Ring of Rage
The Crown of Fire and the Ring of Rage are treated as the most powerful thing in verse in terms of raw power and they use ghost energy as well. In the episode "Reign Storm" we get these statements from knowledgeable characters from Vlad Plasmius and Skulker respectively.
Vlad Plasmius: "Here we are, Pariah's Keep. Home of the Fright Knight, and before that... the Ghost King. And here I am, Vlad Plasmius with all his power in the palm of my hand. Of course, the Ring of Rage only works when one is wearing the Crown of Fire. Separately their nothing but together... they give you power unimaginable."
Skulker: "He was a ghost of such power and magnitude, that only he could control the energies contained within the Crown of Fire and the Ring of Rage. When wearing both, he could do anything."
In a YouTube video by the creator of the series Butch Hartman (4:30), he himself states how strong the objects are well after the series had finished.
Butch Hartman: "In this place is the Ring of Rage and Crown of Fire. When both these objects are worn at the same time, they give the user omnipotence."
It's clear the intention was to make them the scale above everything else so Pariah Dark while wearing the Crown and Ring should scale above the Realty Gauntlet in terms of power, making anyone comparable to him "At least 4-C".
Edit: 4-A
Ecto-Skeleton
The Ecto-Skeleton has an accepted multiplier of a hundred times amp. Since Ecto-Skeleton Danny can contend with Pariah Dark with the crown and ring, that would make base Danny 100x weaker than baseline 4-C, putting him and those who scale at "at least High 5-A".
Edit: 4-A
Conclusion
If the low end Dorathea's feat is accepted for use then the profiles scaling would look like this (I'll use Danny for reference), if not, nothing eould change accept the removal of her feat from the description.
Tier: At least 6-C, possibly 4-A | At least 6-C, possibly 4-A, Higher with Ghostly Wail | At least 6-C, possibly 4-A, Higher with Ghostly Wail | At least Low 6-B, possibly 4-A
Attack Potency: At least Island level+ (Powerful enough to somewhat contend with Princess Dorathea in her Dragon form and others empowered by her amulet, which allowed her to preform this feat and could still fight him later in the series), possibly Multi-Solar System level (Should not be much weaker than he is later in the series, and in his battle with the Fright Knight, he grew powerful enough to knock him back and trade blows with him, despite being incapable of even making him flinch early in their fight) | At least Island level+ (Despite being show far weaker than Vlad Plasmius in their previous battles, he became powerful enough to hold his own against a serious Vlad Plasmius although he ultimately lost. Could knock down Prince Aragon in his ragon form, although it was a surprise attack. Exactly a hundred times weaker tham when he wore the Ecto-Skeleton which multiplied his natural abilities by a hundred fold and allowed him to contend with Pariah Dark at full power is superior to the Soul Shredder and Vortex, both of which can create a planetary storm), possibly Multi-Solar System level (Exactly a hundred times weaker tham when he wore the Ecto-Skeleton which multiplied his natural abilities by a hundred fold and allowed him to contend with Pariah Dark at full power who is at least as powerful as The Reality Gauntlet), Higher with Ghostly Wail (The Ghostly Wail is capable of knocking back and incapacitating characters comparable to Danny himself, and at it's strongest, it could do noticable damage to Dan Phantom, who is comparable to characters a hundred times more powerful than Danny himself) | At least Island level+ (At least as strong as before, and is comparable to characters such as Undergrowth, who are capable of harming him), possibly Multi-Solar System level (At least as strong as before), Higher with Ghostly Wail | At least Small Country level+ (The Ecto-Skeleton multiplies the wearers natural abilities by a hundred fold and allowed him to contend with Pariah Dark at full power is superior to the Soul Shredder and Vortex, both of which can create a planetary storm), possibly Multi-Solar System level (Could contend with Pariah Dark at full power who is at least as powerful as The Reality Gauntlet)
That's about it I believe, thoughts? I changed Danny/Dan's Ghostly Wail to just "higher" because it's consistently more powerful than their normal level of power but they don't always hit with 100x it's output so I just mentioned that it can be that strong to also keep the profile less clunky. Scans and references will be added when the revsion is fully concluded.
I'm not fond on just leaving them at 5-B when the calc is invalid and we've got the scaling to replace it. However, I won't be heavily participating in this revision unless an issue is brought for that needs my attention. I also want as many people to state their opinion as possible because it was only until after I spent the time editing all the profiles, did an issue regarding the 5-B calc was brought to my attention and I'd rather not have that happen again. So this thread will remain open until enough people agree on whatever is decided.
Tier 7/6 (Downgrade)
First all start with the downgrades. Like I mentioned before in that thread, I don't think Dorathea's low balled feat should be used given the context of the statements but I cannot decide that alone and so I'll leave that up to you guys.
Planetary Storms
It was suggested to use Vortex becoming a planetary storm, as well as the Soul Shredder which can create a planetary storm as well to scale the God Tier characters to Low 6-B as the Crown of Fire and the Ring of Rage should scale above both of them given statements.
Ecto-Skeleton Multiplier
The Ecto-Skeleton has an accepted multiplier of a hundred times, this means Danny Phantom and those who scale to him will be 100x weaker than the Low 6-B rating. Making them 6-C which is consistent with Vortex's 6-C base level of power, so Season 3 characters will have support from Vortex's 6-C feat since Danny and Vlad can survive attacks from Vortex who has no indication of holding back. And other characters can harm that Danny The Top Tier characters like base Pariah Dark will scale to 10x base Danny because he can force 10% Ecto-Skeleton Danny to struggle.
Dorathea's Feat
If majority want to use the low end of Dorathea's feat, it can be used as a supporting feat
Possible Tier 4 (Upgrade)
I planned on using this to upgrade the verse after the 5-B feat was accepted but... it was deemed invalid soon after so I didn't bother, plus it was decided that I take a break from revsions for a bit. Regardless of the outcome, I wanted to bring this feat back up but since it's a high feat, I'm only suggesting a possibly.
The Reality Gauntlet
So, the reason we stopped using The Reality Gauntlet for scaling was because it's feats are hax. However, this is not the case, as directly stated by the GIW (Guys in White) the gauntlet has enough "spectral power to eradicate ghosts forever". Freakshow also states that the gauntlet is useless without it's power source and even states that it became twice as powerful once he activated the next gem.
Once all the gems were active, Freakshow literally removes the sun. We know he did this because when Danny fixed all of Freakshow's changes to reality, the sun literally reappeared which means he did casually remove the sun which is at minimum, baseline 4-C. This can 100% be used for scaling because it was capable of doing this using raw spectral power (ghost energy) from the combined reality gems power and not from a single one's ability as Freakshow could only preform said feat when all gems were activated. Plus we also see Freakshow use the power of the gauntlet offensively to enhance his power so the gauntlets power can be translated to AP.
Edit: It was suggested that this feat be considered 4-A because Freakshow warped the space into a starry sky which is 4-A. There is also this calc regarding the creation of realms with starry skies that could be used, maybe.
Creating a pocket dimension containing a starry sky Redux
vsbattles.fandom.com
Crown of Fire and Ring of Rage
The Crown of Fire and the Ring of Rage are treated as the most powerful thing in verse in terms of raw power and they use ghost energy as well. In the episode "Reign Storm" we get these statements from knowledgeable characters from Vlad Plasmius and Skulker respectively.
Vlad Plasmius: "Here we are, Pariah's Keep. Home of the Fright Knight, and before that... the Ghost King. And here I am, Vlad Plasmius with all his power in the palm of my hand. Of course, the Ring of Rage only works when one is wearing the Crown of Fire. Separately their nothing but together... they give you power unimaginable."
Skulker: "He was a ghost of such power and magnitude, that only he could control the energies contained within the Crown of Fire and the Ring of Rage. When wearing both, he could do anything."
In a YouTube video by the creator of the series Butch Hartman (4:30), he himself states how strong the objects are well after the series had finished.
Butch Hartman: "In this place is the Ring of Rage and Crown of Fire. When both these objects are worn at the same time, they give the user omnipotence."
It's clear the intention was to make them the scale above everything else so Pariah Dark while wearing the Crown and Ring should scale above the Realty Gauntlet in terms of power, making anyone comparable to him "At least 4-C".
Edit: 4-A
Ecto-Skeleton
The Ecto-Skeleton has an accepted multiplier of a hundred times amp. Since Ecto-Skeleton Danny can contend with Pariah Dark with the crown and ring, that would make base Danny 100x weaker than baseline 4-C, putting him and those who scale at "at least High 5-A".
Edit: 4-A
Conclusion
If the low end Dorathea's feat is accepted for use then the profiles scaling would look like this (I'll use Danny for reference), if not, nothing eould change accept the removal of her feat from the description.
Tier: At least 6-C, possibly 4-A | At least 6-C, possibly 4-A, Higher with Ghostly Wail | At least 6-C, possibly 4-A, Higher with Ghostly Wail | At least Low 6-B, possibly 4-A
Attack Potency: At least Island level+ (Powerful enough to somewhat contend with Princess Dorathea in her Dragon form and others empowered by her amulet, which allowed her to preform this feat and could still fight him later in the series), possibly Multi-Solar System level (Should not be much weaker than he is later in the series, and in his battle with the Fright Knight, he grew powerful enough to knock him back and trade blows with him, despite being incapable of even making him flinch early in their fight) | At least Island level+ (Despite being show far weaker than Vlad Plasmius in their previous battles, he became powerful enough to hold his own against a serious Vlad Plasmius although he ultimately lost. Could knock down Prince Aragon in his ragon form, although it was a surprise attack. Exactly a hundred times weaker tham when he wore the Ecto-Skeleton which multiplied his natural abilities by a hundred fold and allowed him to contend with Pariah Dark at full power is superior to the Soul Shredder and Vortex, both of which can create a planetary storm), possibly Multi-Solar System level (Exactly a hundred times weaker tham when he wore the Ecto-Skeleton which multiplied his natural abilities by a hundred fold and allowed him to contend with Pariah Dark at full power who is at least as powerful as The Reality Gauntlet), Higher with Ghostly Wail (The Ghostly Wail is capable of knocking back and incapacitating characters comparable to Danny himself, and at it's strongest, it could do noticable damage to Dan Phantom, who is comparable to characters a hundred times more powerful than Danny himself) | At least Island level+ (At least as strong as before, and is comparable to characters such as Undergrowth, who are capable of harming him), possibly Multi-Solar System level (At least as strong as before), Higher with Ghostly Wail | At least Small Country level+ (The Ecto-Skeleton multiplies the wearers natural abilities by a hundred fold and allowed him to contend with Pariah Dark at full power is superior to the Soul Shredder and Vortex, both of which can create a planetary storm), possibly Multi-Solar System level (Could contend with Pariah Dark at full power who is at least as powerful as The Reality Gauntlet)
That's about it I believe, thoughts? I changed Danny/Dan's Ghostly Wail to just "higher" because it's consistently more powerful than their normal level of power but they don't always hit with 100x it's output so I just mentioned that it can be that strong to also keep the profile less clunky. Scans and references will be added when the revsion is fully concluded.
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