Gilad_Hyperstar
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He'd need to know about the Big Gete Star first and that it is connected to Cooler in the first place. Garou knows none of these things
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Cosmic Fear Garou vs Meta-Cooler (Not Grace)
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So if the BGS is destroyed, do all the MCs cease to function?
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Considering it's size, how close it is and that there would be multiple Meta coolers flying coming from inside and Garou's enhanced vision i say it's fair to say he could figure that out.
The real problem is if we assume how he gets there and destroys it, considering he lacks portals, flight, there are many meta coolers blocking the way there that could also tank his attacks and other than his Nuclear fission after copying Saitama he doesn't show the range to actually destroy the whole thing quickly enough other than if we assume it would blow up by being hit with a GRB like the Earth would.
The real problem is if we assume how he gets there and destroys it, considering he lacks portals, flight, there are many meta coolers blocking the way there that could also tank his attacks and other than his Nuclear fission after copying Saitama he doesn't show the range to actually destroy the whole thing quickly enough other than if we assume it would blow up by being hit with a GRB like the Earth would.
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they find it more convincing, but there’s a fair chance that they have no idea why the argument works and don’t actually understand the debate. Which is quite evident by the fact that you yourself told blatant misinformation about Garou’s AD several times throughout the thread, it’s questionable that the votes are even valid but whatever
Gilad_Hyperstar
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Even if I did, people were still reading your arguments for Garou and chose to vote for Cooler anyway. That probably means you either don't explain well his abilities, or that the people thought that Cooler has stronger arguments
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In case you missed it, most of the fra train started getting spammed before I came in with these counter arguments
Either way, people don’t have the authority to disagree with me if they don’t even understand what I’m talking about, and if they just say “fra” that shows absolutely nothing about their insight into the situation. Not to mention how incredibly toxic it is to try an argue with an fra person, since they don’t give their own reasoning I can’t even go through their post and pick apart the reasons why they’re wrong. This is especially ******* annoying when people just say fra and dip, so even if all their arguments are completely invalid bullshit idiotic fallacies, it doesn’t matter if they don’t come back to change their vote (tons of people don’t ever come back)
Basically, people need to stop using fra. If you’re so confident then why don’t you just explain thoroughly why the argument is correct? That’s because it’s often a 50/50 at best if they actually are capable of doing that. Stop. Defending. Fra trains.
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Anyways this is minor derailment, so how about another interesting point
Is meta cooler immune to something like an EMP? Garou’s current abilities (understanding of all energy flows + his matter manip and reality warp) would allow him to recreate something like that. The moment he realizes the metal cooler is a robot, considering how smart he is on top of his cosmic awareness, couldn’t he just figure out to use those and just spam mass EMPs against him?
Is meta cooler immune to something like an EMP? Garou’s current abilities (understanding of all energy flows + his matter manip and reality warp) would allow him to recreate something like that. The moment he realizes the metal cooler is a robot, considering how smart he is on top of his cosmic awareness, couldn’t he just figure out to use those and just spam mass EMPs against him?
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I'm skeptical about Cooler being able to copy Garou's RE or AD as well. For all we know, he might have had a limit (NLF) and cannot reach Garou level at some point. This same argument has already applied to 4-A Garou in a versus match. But it doesn't apply to him here because we know Garou can grow to at least 4-A.
Gilad_Hyperstar
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Did he ever used EMPs? Like at any point? If not, then we can't assume he can do it without proof and without diving into headcanon territory. And considering the Meta-Coolers can: 1) Regenerate, and 2) Adapt immunity to the thing that killed them, even if he could destroy one with an EMP, the Meta-Coolers will simply adapt to it to prevent this method from killing them again
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@ZillertheBucko You are essentially asking people to restate arguments that were already explained. At best you can say the "fra" person needs to point out whose arguments they agree with so you can have something respond to. I get that you want everyone to "debate" but not everyone is in the mood to type out a paragraphs defending something already stated or something they are convinced by. Hell even staff members use fra.
Gilad_Hyperstar
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Why exactly? Especially when Cooler was shown on screen to copy the abilities of those that he collected data from, such as when he copied Goku's insatnt transmittion
All of this text relies purely on headcanon that you have no proof for.
Also, Garou only grew to 4-A because he copied Saitama during their fight, meaning that without him copying the already 4-A Saitama, Garou never became 4-A despite having the ability to copy for persumably a long time
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Yes I am asking people to do that. Or at least in some way provide proof that they actually know what the arguments even mean. If you’re not in the mood to debate then why should people be in the mood to listen to your input if you’re just gonna drop an fra and leave, which is the perfect way to leave a vote and instantly ignore any future valid counterpoints.
And yes staff can do it sometimes too. Staff can say oranges are purple too, idrc who does it.
And yes, I say this applies to both sides, the people voting for Garou should also explain why so that people
Can see their own reasoning
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Headcanon yes, like the values on the god damn profile? Garou can reach 4-A objectively, you’re gonna have to make a crt (again) if you want people to care about any of this. Garou indeed got to 4-A via copying, but that proves he can reach 4-A without nlf, and his exponential AD would get him there eventually. The end.
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And why are Garou's Reactive Evolution and Accelerated Development assumed to be similar to Goku's Instant Transmission in this match here exactly?
I'm using the NLF argument which can apply here unless you can prove why it can't be applied.
No my point is Garou's AD can grow past High 4-C and potentially reach far into 4-B or so. You, however, cannot prove Cooler can copy 4-B AP.
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He only got to 4-A by copying a 4-A. Without a 4-A to copy, there's no way we could know how long it'll take him to reach 4-A if at all, and it doesn't matter anyways since again, Cooler getting his data will mean Cooler will posess his AD as well and adapt alongside Garou
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If a character has the power to be able to understand all architecture in the universe and perfectly create it, do you think he’d be capable of making a house if he never does a house? Yeah, it doesn’t need to be explicitly stated or put on the profile when his current abilities would already cover it.
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Aka using headcanon. Again, just becasue he persumably can do something doesn't mean he will or it is in character to do
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It would be in character for a character with his level of genius (and the fact that cosmic awareness already gives him an understanding of how emp works) that he could use it against a machine. The idea that it’s out of character because he didn’t use it against Saitama (a human being) is silly as **** tbh.
Gilad_Hyperstar
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Becasue they are also abilities just like Goku's IT? You have to prove why they are a special case for your claim to work
It still doesn't change the fact you use nothing but headcanon to support your claims, which means your entire argument for Garou relies on stuff you can't prove
1) Since when copying AD has anything to do with AP? This is hax, not AP and 2) Cooler don't need to copy any 4-B, as he would get Garou's copying when he'll recieve his data, which we know can get to 4-A
Gilad_Hyperstar
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But did he ever actually used it? Against anyone? Or anything really? You can't make stuff out of nowhere and then claim that this is totally in character for him to spam stuff that he literally never used before
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You are basically saying Cooler can copy Goku's IT, so he can copy "anything", while claiming it is not NLF? Sorry, that ain't how it works.
You need to prove he can copy Garou's AD. All he has shown to do was copy Goku's IT and Goku's IT and Garou's RE/AD aren't similar in nature at all. You can learn IT but you cannot learn Reactive Evolution or Accelerated Development. They aren't similar.
Gilad_Hyperstar
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Yes, we directly see him getting their AD development and zenkais in the movie after near death. He went from being stomped by SSJ Goku, to stomping Goku and Vegeta at once after regenerating
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We know he got stronger. We don't know he copied their zenkais. If you think that, then prove it with scans or citations prom the profile where he did that to Goku and Vegeta.
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I linked the instance Gilad is talking about in one of comments but people seem to have ignored
Gilad_Hyperstar
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He didn't knew it before becoming Meta-Cooler, as he did not posess this ability in the first movie
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He was surprised when Goku used IT. He said it was one of his favorite techniques. It is really weird if he copied it from Goku and still said that to him. But is there a statement Cooler copied Goku's IT or he just learned it himself?
Gilad_Hyperstar
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Cooler was dead or nearly dead before fusing with the Big Gete Star, and he did not knew where Goku learned this technique from, meaning he also doesn't know about his training in Yardrat, so he couldn't have come there himself to learn it
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I watched the movie and Cooler was very surprised that Goku could use Instant Transmission. I'm sorry, but this heavily suggests that Cooler learned it himself unless you have proof Cooler copied it from Goku.
Gilad_Hyperstar
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Again, he couldn't have learned it himself as he doesn't posess it in the first movie. Goku also used instant transmittion against Cooler in the first movie so Cooler definitely knows he can do it despite his apperant surprise
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He could have learned it somewhere. It doesn't matter. He was surprised when Goku used it. It doesn't make sense if he copied it from Goku. This is common sense.
This is just high-speed movement. Moments after, we saw that Goku was blitzed and kneeled without him being able to react.
Also, I find this argument negligible because you cannot say he copied IT, assuming he did it without learning it himself, so he could copy "anything". I did explain why IT and RE/AD aren't similar.
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Copying IT probably just means he can copy moves and stuff, not really biological abilities
Not that it matters, Cooler already has AD
Not that it matters, Cooler already has AD
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So then he can not copy Garou's RE and AD.
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But he couldn't have? IT is an ability exclusive to the Yadrats iirc. Goku and Vegeta are the only ones who've actually gone there and trained to learn it, everyone else who has used it in the series got it from Goku in one way or another (Like Granolah or Cell for example).
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this is literal headcanon, how would Cooler have learned said technique if he was almost dead in the first place?
Also headcanon. Goku can literally use IT without the needing to place his fingers on his forehead.
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