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Cell Games Across The Multiverse | Cell vs Sonic GRACE

I don't think Sonic can overcome Cell's regen, but with stuff like Chaos Control and magic hands he should be able to BFR or Incap Cell (IT also doesn't work across universes so Cell can't just teleport back)

But Cell having such a distadvantage in AP, I don't really see what he could do to Sonic who is stronger, can become faster and has way more hax

Sonic might stomp actually
 
Sonic:
  • 6.2249x AP advantage
  • Superior physical Lifting Strength (Class M vs Unknown. Sonic isn't really one to initiate a grapple though and doesn't really go for grapples in combat)
  • 4x higher reaction speed to his Travel/Combat Speed, In-character 4x speed amps (Spin Dash/Homing Attack, Super Peel Out)
  • Superior stamina, surprisingly (While both are Superhuman, Sonic has shown the capacity for adventuring 3 days straight while fighting mechas, thrashing Badniks, and running nonstop all the while in Sonic Heroes).
  • Comparable, if not superior outright, in terms of skill (Both scale to "supercomputer"-like statements, though I would argue Emerl's skill and showings are just a bit more impressive)
  • Chaos Control, which Cell would have no answer to.

Cell:
  • Low-High Regeneration (Will be pivotal in keeping Cell alive due to Sonic typically using hax as a last resort or when nothing else is working. Taking visible damage from Sonic will keep Sonic in CQC for a while, though any blatant showings of Regeneration will alert Sonic that normal attacks likely won't work).
  • Superior telekinetic Lifting Strength (Class G vs Class M. This is also prior to meeting Silver, so Cell attempting to telekinetically grab Sonic would be more of a surprise. This can be countered by Chaos Control's teleportation)
  • Dragon Team's DNA (As a pseudo-composite of the Z Fighters, Cell has access to all of their abilities and skills. This allows for a large variety of techniques and combat styles, diversifying Cell's moveset).
  • Zenkai Boosts (Due to Sonic's AP advantage and his own Regen, Cell should have an easier time abusing Zenkais. However, this is countered directly by Sonic's Accelerated Development.
As Gilad stated, Sonic has basically no way of overcoming Cell's Regen by his typical means of combat. But considering Sonic and Cell are in the same ballpark of skill, and Sonic holds the advantage in both agility/mobility in terms of applying it to combat, I think he'd have enough of an opportunity to realize he's not gonna be able to put Cell down by normal means.
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
Sonic might stomp actually
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In fairness, Sonic wouldn't immediately go for that and Cell does have several methods of incapacitating and killing Sonic as well. Do you really think Cell couldn't at least try something like the Multi-Form Technique to put up more of a fight if things get that desperate? (Not asking sarcastically)
 
ShakeResounding said:
Sonic:
  • 6.2249x AP advantage
  • Superior physical Lifting Strength (Class M vs Unknown. Sonic isn't really one to initiate a grapple though and doesn't really go for grapples in combat)
  • 4x higher reaction speed to his Travel/Combat Speed, In-character 4x speed amps (Spin Dash/Homing Attack, Super Peel Out)
  • Superior stamina, surprisingly (While both are Superhuman, Sonic has shown the capacity for adventuring 3 days straight while fighting mechas, thrashing Badniks, and running nonstop all the while in Sonic Heroes).
  • Comparable, if not superior outright, in terms of skill (Both scale to "supercomputer"-like statements, though I would argue Emerl's skill and showings are just a bit more impressive)
  • Chaos Control, which Cell would have no answer to.

Cell:
  • Low-High Regeneration (Will be pivotal in keeping Cell alive due to Sonic typically using hax as a last resort or when nothing else is working. Taking visible damage from Sonic will keep Sonic in CQC for a while, though any blatant showings of Regeneration will alert Sonic that normal attacks likely won't work).
  • Superior telekinetic Lifting Strength (Class G vs Class M. This is also prior to meeting Silver, so Cell attempting to telekinetically grab Sonic would be more of a surprise. This can be countered by Chaos Control's teleportation)
  • Dragon Team's DNA (As a pseudo-composite of the Z Fighters, Cell has access to all of their abilities and skills. This allows for a large variety of techniques and combat styles, diversifying Cell's moveset).
  • Zenkai Boosts (Due to Sonic's AP advantage and his own Regen, Cell should have an easier time abusing Zenkais. However, this is countered directly by Sonic's Accelerated Development.
As Gilad stated, Sonic has basically no way of overcoming Cell's Regen by his typical means of combat. But considering Sonic and Cell are in the same ballpark of skill, and Sonic holds the advantage in both agility/mobility in terms of applying it to combat, I think he'd have enough of an opportunity to realize he's not gonna be able to put Cell down by normal means.

In fairness, Sonic wouldn't immediately go for that and Cell does have several methods of incapacitating and killing Sonic as well. Do you really think Cell couldn't at least try something like the Multi-Form Technique to put up more of a fight if things get that desperate? (Not asking sarcastically)
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Honestly, I think cells accelerated development gives him the edge, he not only has the DNA of goku and co, but FRIEZA.
Frieza went from star level to multiversal just by using one of his minions as a punching bag for 4 months.
 
I was gonna post smthn about how Extreme Gear can ride on rainbows as some sub-cellular interaction until I remembered it was Pre-Ultimate

ShakeResounding said:
Do you really think Cell couldn't at least try something like the Multi-Form Technique to put up more of a fight if things get that desperate? (Not asking sarcastically)
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MF just makes him weaker.
 
Wankbreaker said:
Honestly, I think cells accelerated development gives him the edge, he not only has the DNA of goku and co, but FRIEZA.
Frieza went from star level to multiversal just by using one of his minions as a punching bag for 4 months.
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The "becoming Tier 2 in four months" feat doesn't seem applicable mid-combat. Cell's gains via Zenkais aren't nearly that massive.
 
Maverick_Zero_X said:
The "becoming Tier 2 in four months" feat doesn't seem applicable mid-combat. Cell's gains via Zenkais aren't nearly that massive.
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the zenkai boost may seem small at first glance, until you remember the context.

He was at his semi-perfect state, and after blowing up, should have reverted to imperfect, as he lost 17.

Though not only does he go back to his perfect state, he becomes even stronger than before.
 
ShakeResounding said:
In fairness, Sonic wouldn't immediately go for that and Cell does have several methods of incapacitating and killing Sonic as well. Do you really think Cell couldn't at least try something like the Multi-Form Technique to put up more of a fight if things get that desperate? (Not asking sarcastically)
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Yes, but like, Sonic can't overcome Cell's regen without these haxes and Cell can't do anything to Sonic because of the big AP difference, so eventually Sonic might use the magic hands if all else fail
 
ShakeResounding said:
Sonic:
  • 6.2249x AP advantage
  • Superior physical Lifting Strength (Class M vs Unknown. Sonic isn't really one to initiate a grapple though and doesn't really go for grapples in combat)
  • 4x higher reaction speed to his Travel/Combat Speed, In-character 4x speed amps (Spin Dash/Homing Attack, Super Peel Out)
  • Superior stamina, surprisingly (While both are Superhuman, Sonic has shown the capacity for adventuring 3 days straight while fighting mechas, thrashing Badniks, and running nonstop all the while in Sonic Heroes).
  • Comparable, if not superior outright, in terms of skill (Both scale to "supercomputer"-like statements, though I would argue Emerl's skill and showings are just a bit more impressive)
  • Chaos Control, which Cell would have no answer to.

Cell:
  • Low-High Regeneration (Will be pivotal in keeping Cell alive due to Sonic typically using hax as a last resort or when nothing else is working. Taking visible damage from Sonic will keep Sonic in CQC for a while, though any blatant showings of Regeneration will alert Sonic that normal attacks likely won't work).
  • Superior telekinetic Lifting Strength (Class G vs Class M. This is also prior to meeting Silver, so Cell attempting to telekinetically grab Sonic would be more of a surprise. This can be countered by Chaos Control's teleportation)
  • Dragon Team's DNA (As a pseudo-composite of the Z Fighters, Cell has access to all of their abilities and skills. This allows for a large variety of techniques and combat styles, diversifying Cell's moveset).
  • Zenkai Boosts (Due to Sonic's AP advantage and his own Regen, Cell should have an easier time abusing Zenkais. However, this is countered directly by Sonic's Accelerated Development.
As Gilad stated, Sonic has basically no way of overcoming Cell's Regen by his typical means of combat. But considering Sonic and Cell are in the same ballpark of skill, and Sonic holds the advantage in both agility/mobility in terms of applying it to combat, I think he'd have enough of an opportunity to realize he's not gonna be able to put Cell down by normal means.

In fairness, Sonic wouldn't immediately go for that and Cell does have several methods of incapacitating and killing Sonic as well. Do you really think Cell couldn't at least try something like the Multi-Form Technique to put up more of a fight if things get that desperate? (Not asking sarcastically)
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This is Manga canon Cell, so he shouldn't have multiform like his Toei self? He does have special beam cannon, spirit bomb (though Sonic wouldn't obviously let him charge it up and no one would even give cell enough energy to form it)

If he does, then I feel a CRT should be made, cause a lot of Cell's varied abilities comes more so from anime rather than manga DB. Did he use multiform in manga cause I watched the manga chapters from YT start to finish and I don't think Manga Cell ever used multiform.
 
GlaceonGamez471 said:
Manga Cell doesn't seem to have multiform listed anywhere on his page
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He has all of the Dragon Team's techniques from prior to the Cell Saga. This also includes Tien, whose technique he used (the Solar Flare)

Therefore, it stands that he can use the Multi-Form Technique as well

But that negative of that outweighs the positive, that being the fact that it'll cut down on his power, which is already significantly lower than Sonic's

Sonic has some crazy advantages here
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
He has all of the Dragon Team's techniques from prior to the Cell Saga. This also includes Tien, whose technique he used (the Solar Flare)

Therefore, it stands that he can use the Multi-Form Technique as well

But that negative of that outweighs the positive, that being the fact that it'll cut down on his power, which is already significantly lower than Sonic's

Sonic has some crazy advantages here
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That's really strange. Should be listed on his profile.

Anyway, yeah I agree. Sonic seems like he honestly takes this.

Could solar flare + absorption combo work?
 
ShakeResounding said:
  • Comparable, if not superior outright, in terms of skill (Both scale to "supercomputer"-like statements, though I would argue Emerl's skill and showings are just a bit more impressive)
As Gilad stated, Sonic has basically no way of overcoming Cell's Regen by his typical means of combat. But considering Sonic and Cell are in the same ballpark of skill, and Sonic holds the advantage in both agility/mobility in terms of applying it to combat, I think he'd have enough of an opportunity to realize he's not gonna be able to put Cell down by normal means.
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Cell isn't really superior in skill, no, Sonic would be in this case, Cell scales to a Supercomputer, Emerl makes Supercomputers break and explode trying to analyse his fighting skill, plus he can create an literal infinite number of fighting styles, had all of Sonic's perfectly copied and upgraded + Every Way of combat, be it with weapons or not + all of Sonic's Friends moves + It was bloodlusted, and still, with all that, Sonic was able to adapt enough to beat him in merely less than 30 Seconds, if anything, i would argue honestly that Sonic skill stomps Cell in this regard, if not, he has a pretty big advantage when it comes to that

will not vote yet tho, want to hear more opinions
 
TegamiBachi25 said:
That's really strange. Should be listed on his profile.

Anyway, yeah I agree. Sonic seems like he honestly takes this.

Could solar flare + absorption combo work?
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Sonic once fell into a sun and didn't even flinch, so i think the Solar Flare won't do much in this case
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
He has all of the Dragon Team's techniques from prior to the Cell Saga. This also includes Tien, whose technique he used (the Solar Flare)
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Didn't Cell stated he has the DNA of only 5 being? These being Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, Frieza and Cold. Nowhere it was mentioned he had the DNA of the humans too in the manga
 
Couldn't Cell just copy Sonic's fighting style since he scales to Goku who copied martial arts masters when he was barely a pre teen?
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
He has all of the Dragon Team's techniques from prior to the Cell Saga. This also includes Tien, whose technique he used (the Solar Flare)

Therefore, it stands that he can use the Multi-Form Technique as well

But that negative of that outweighs the positive, that being the fact that it'll cut down on his power, which is already significantly lower than Sonic's

Sonic has some crazy advantages here
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To use multi form he needs tien DNA which only happens in the anime, no one have ever used that technique from Tien as is entirely unique to Tien triclops biology

Also, Cell technique is perfected, he does not divide his power level in four unlike Tien, but again, anime only
 
TegamiBachi25 said:
Couldn't Cell just copy Sonic's fighting style since he scales to Goku who copied martial arts masters when he was barely a pre teen?
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I mean assuming he did, he still gets outskilled to hell. Unironically how it would go

Cell: Copies Sonic's fighting style

Sonic: Who taught you how to fight? You're ass

Like, that's legit what happened in Sonic Battle. Emerl who's copied Sonic's fighting style exactly, and has the composite fighting data of all his friends, was told by Sonic his punches were terrible. So copying his style =/= copying his skill/efficiency with his style. Basically what Omega said above.
 
GlaceonGamez471 said:
I mean, he probably could. Don't think that'd help him much though, given Sonic can fight Emerl, who can also copy fighting styles
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Omegabronic said:
Emerl did that......+ much, MUCH more, it isn't enough, Sonic adapts too much, too quickly for that to matter
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LaserPrecision said:
I mean assuming he did, he still gets outskilled to hell. Unironically how it would go

Cell: Copies Sonic's fighting style

Sonic: Who taught you how to fight? You're ass

Like, that's legit what happened in Sonic Battle. Emerl who's copied Sonic's fighting style exactly, and has the composite fighting data of all his friends, was told by Sonic his punches were terrible. So copying his style =/= copying his skill/efficiency with his style. Basically what Omega said above.
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Why you guys explaining that to him more 2 times? Glaceon already respond to him.


So anyway, Cell wincon of using Zenkai until he gets a good boost gets countered by Sonic with his AD, and Sonic can also end the fight super easy with BFR.

Honestly, a better wincon for Cell would only be his absorption and maybe charge a Makankossapo I guess. The sucess would depend since while he have ways to hit them even with Sonic have a 4x reaction speed advantage... he still have a 4x reaction speed advantage, so getting them in one is gonna be a bit difficulty.
 
Omegabronic said:
Cell isn't really superior in skill, no, Sonic would be in this case, Cell scales to a Supercomputer, Emerl makes Supercomputers break and explode trying to analyse his fighting skill, plus he can create an literal infinite number of fighting styles, had all of Sonic's perfectly copied and upgraded + Every Way of combat, be it with weapons or not + all of Sonic's Friends moves + It was bloodlusted, and still, with all that, Sonic was able to adapt enough to beat him in merely less than 30 Seconds, if anything, i would argue honestly that Sonic skill stomps Cell in this regard, if not, he has a pretty big advantage when it comes to that

will not vote yet tho, want to hear more opinions
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This is one of the reason why @DontTalkDT want to nuke combat intelligence rating
 
Yeah there's a thread where people are kinda saying between specific and separate ratings for combat intelligence, or the removal of it from the intelligence section entirely.

I somewhat agree, mainly because of the variance we see even amongst people who on actuality are at similar skill levels. This match is a good example (don't murder me Omega, I said similar)
 
Vietthai96 said:
Idk, but from his suggestion, probably remove everything combat rating
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Ig separating it from intelligence makes sense assuming that's where they're going with it. Tho then that kinda confuses me on why you made your initial post since it talked strictly about skill rather than general intellect.
ShakeResounding said:
Yeah there's a thread where people are kinda saying between specific and separate ratings for combat intelligence, or the removal of it from the intelligence section entirely.

I somewhat agree, mainly because of the variance we see even amongst people who on actuality are at similar skill levels. This match is a good example (don't murder me Omega, I said similar)
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Makes sense.
 
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