Can An Embodiment of Time Be Immeasurable?

[PabloLouisTheII]

Let's say X character is the embodiment of time, this remains a consistent fact. Character Y transcends time and space, getting them Immeasurable speed. However, Character X fights Character Y and they are evenly keep pace with each other. Would this make Character X Immeasurable in speed? Or would that be no because Character X being Immeasurable requires transcending time, in which they can't because they are time and logically can't transcend what they embody?

 

[DontTalkDT]

Sure it can, if it has the feats for it.

A character that can freely fight forward and backwards in time would be immeasurable, I see no reason why being time would prevent ones physical vessel from doing that.

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

yes

 

[PabloLouisTheII]

Sure it can, if it has the feats for it.

A character that can freely fight forward and backwards in time would be immeasurable, I see no reason why being time would prevent ones physical vessel from doing that.

Wouldn't that be self-contradictory though? Transcending space and time but you yourself being time would mean you transcend yourself?

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

Sure it can, if it has the feats for it.

A character that can freely fight forward and backwards in time would be immeasurable, I see no reason why being time would prevent ones physical vessel from doing that.

Wouldn't that be self-contradictory though? Transcending space and time but you yourself being time would mean you transcend yourself?

not really

 

[PabloLouisTheII]

That doesn't really answer the question, I'm just asking for the logic that would make this Immeasurable for Character X

 

[Antoniofer]

I would believe that someone that embody the time has Temporal Presence (In whose case Immesurable is quite irrelevant), but of course it not always be the case.

 

[Andytrenom]

I think he will be immeasurable

He has the feats, and the given explanation for dismissing the feats seems to just be some made up restrictions.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

I don't think that would give immesurable but rather Temporal Omnipresence. Since time exists "anywhen" he would logically be at every point in time simultaneously since he embodies/is time.

 

[PabloLouisTheII]

But Omnipresence is a technical state of being rather than a speed. I know Character X has temporal Omnipresence, but would the actual combat speed still be Immeasurable or no?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Yes, but it is a state of existence that cannot coexist with speed.

Omnipresence means "you're everywhere at once", but by extention you're "unable to move" because there is no place where you can move to, because you're already there. Similarly temporal omnipresence cannot coexist with immesurable because you cannot move backward/forward in time if you're already located in ALL of time.

Though you'd also need his physical speed. Unless we accept that temporal omnipresence means spatial omnipresence. Though his temporal omnipresence would give him infinite spatial speed.

In short it would be a better version of immesurable. As immesurable can travel anywhere anywhen. Where as this would make someone travel anywhere everywhen.

 

[Antoniofer]

Temporal Presence is to Immesurable what Spatial Presence is to Infinite, more like "reaching there in an instant" is "already there". And no, Temporal Presence do not grant Spatial Presence (Both being variations of Nigh-Omnipresence), and immesurable isn't necessary "faster" than infinite.

If you transcend time (like conceptual and metaphysical) you should in theory have Temporal Presence (but not Spatial Presence), but that doesn't means another creature can't have Temporal Presence (or Immesurable) if you embody the time.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Yeah that spatial omnipresence there was just a brain fart on my side.

Though immesurable is faster than infinite. Because you can reach a place in negative time rather than 0 time. So you could finish before starting.

 

[Antoniofer]

Immesurable is moving in an additional axis (starting from 5d I believe); with infinite one move from the coordinate [1, 5, 9] to [2, 6, 15] (coordinates [x, y, z]), meanwhile with immesurable you can move from [1, 5, 9, 2, 10] to [1, 5, 9, 2, 7] ((coordinates [x, y, z, w, t])), its called immesurable since the t axis its time itself it can't be conventionally measured, but having infinite isn't a requeriment to have immesurable and having immesurable do not grants infinite.

There was supposed to be a revision and get rid of the x-dimension hax meme, but hasn't been "recreated".