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Bleach Power Levels Discussion Thread

Can someone explain why top tier Bleach characters are planetary in the wiki and why Ichigo scaling to Yhwach isn't a universal feat because Yhwach was going to destroy all 3 of the realms which, all together should make a universe
 

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Yhwach was going to merge the three worlds into one to create his own world in which Death doesn't exist.

He wasn't affecting the entire realms, just the planets.


Also IIRC, the three realms are within the universe - they don't make said universes entirety.
 
Warren Valion said:
Yhwach was going to merge the three worlds into one to create his own world in which Death doesn't exist.

He wasn't affecting the entire realms, just the planets.

Also IIRC, the three realms are within the universe - they don't make said universes entirety.
Wouldn't the realms be on different planes of existence?
 
It seems the names of the different dimensions can refer to both the planet and entire spacetime, hence, one can say he was destroying/merging/stabalising planets.

As for the cosmology...

Earth would obviously be within a universe akin to ours, floating in the Garganta. Yoruichi's diagram shows that the entire dimension of the Real World and Soul Society are comparable to each other in size and shape, so, we know they're both separate universes from that. Hueco Mundo (the dimension) can logically be assumed to be the same but it doesn't have as much supporting evidence.

Basically, either way can be argued. The potential for tier 3-A or 2-C is there.
 

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The universe already existed before the Soul King created the three worlds.

TMK, the three worlds are pocket dimensions that exist in a larger universe.
 
Well, muken is in souk society, in its a infinite expanding void, would that not make souk king 3A? For creating and holding it, and yhwach was also going manipulate muken since its in soul society.
 
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Muken is described as a "void" and the context goes on to say that "like the name subjects it stretches for infinity" is a prison to hold immortal souls. It can only be access like the time chamber in DBZ through a door.
 
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I've always thought Prime Soul King should be High 3-A for creating Muken and the rest of existence. Scaling Yhwach is a bit much though as we only know of him affecting three planets that were a fraction of what the Prime Soul King created 100 million years ago.
 

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Do we even know if the Soul King created the Muken, though?

And infinte desolate void sounds like something that just exists.
 
I kinda half-mentioned this before. but Yhwach's goal was to merge the worlds of 'life' and 'death' into one.

However, with the context given to use through Ichibe's info dump the Prime Soul King separated 'life' and 'death' into 'the world of the living' - which is Earth - and 'the world of the dead' - which is Soul Society (and Hueco Mundo).

In this case Yhwach reaching his goal would require him to perform the Prime Soul King's definitive feat, just in reverse.
 
@Warren

it depends. He created the dimension and everything in the dimension. Muken is technically part of the dimension I think just like how his palace is but that's about it. There is no statement that says he outright made it.
 
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Muken is a space accessed through a door in soul society which we know for sure was created by the Soul King. I see no reason why Muken wouldn't have been also created and added onto Soul society by Soul King as well.
 
I believe Prime soul king should be 3-A for creating and holding the void (muken ) which expands infinitely, as it was described.
 
Warren Valion said:
Do we even know if the Soul King created the Muken, though?

And infinte desolate void sounds like something that just exists.
He created soul society, it's apart of soul society.
 

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Then you should talk about it with the guys in the Discussion Thread and if everyone agrees, then make the CRT.
 
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And? Ichigo scales to that level because of Yhwach who absorbed weakened soul king. A simple glance at the profiles could have told you that much.
 
I'm aware considering i'm one of the ones who made it that way.. Kidkinsey is talking about Shikai Ichigo clearly which obviously isn't scaled based on the profile since that's the one who cut him in half.
 
What I want to know is if Yhwach was going to reverse the original feat, why wouldn't he be comparable to the Prime Soul King?
 
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Here are 3 panels from 3 different pages from the manga.

1. First panel we have the description of Muken.

2. Second panel is Aizen saying that Muken is crumbling apart after the Soul Kin's death. So Muken is connected like the other dimensions that started to crumbled away.

3. Third panel is Jugram saying very much that the existence of the dimensions cannot exist if Yhwach doesn't hold them with his new obtained power.

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IMadeThisOn8-1-2017 said:
Nope, we just know he was a lot weaker since his organs and limbs were removed which explicitly "destroyed most of his power".
What would be your opinion on 3A Prime soul king?
 
I don't agree, the universe already existed before the Soul King was even born per Ichibei's reveal on the history.

We just know the Soul King made Soul Society and what's in it, Hueco Mundo and what's in it and the dimensions that connect, are inside or surround them.

The Real World was made as well, but that's just a planet.
 
IMadeThisOn8-1-2017 said:
I don't agree, the universe already existed before the Soul King was even born per Ichibei's reveal on the history.

We just know the Soul King made Soul Society and what's in it, Hueco Mundo and what's in it and the dimensions that connect, are inside or surround them.


Yes he created soul society, soul society have muken which is an void that was explained to expand infinity, also yhwach was able to stop it from collapsing, so why wouldn't creating muken and holding it, not be 3A? The Real World was made as well, but that's just a planet.
 
AppleLord said:
Maybe Muken already existed like Hell and Soul King just moved it or created Spul Society around it?

I think that would be more in the head canon selection, nothing support that and muken is a apart of soul society which he created, also yhwach was able to stop it from collapsing giving more proof it's part of soul society.
 
so what i'm getting from all this is that essentially yhwach is possibly 3-A due to the simple fact that he was holding 3 "realms" from collapsing one of wich contained an infinite space-time is that it ?
 
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that is pretty much what i gathered too .

i personally think it's fine, muken is stated as infinite by a knowledgable source , muken is part of the SS and the SS was being destroyed/merged with the others worlds.
 
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It feels weird that Ichigo and Aizen could end up scaling to 3-A. Prime Soul King was good but the rest seems like outlier territory to move them above their current tiers.
 
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For Prime Soul King there's absolutely nothing to say it's an outlier, but for the other 3 god tiers and weakened soul king I can see why.
 
Amlad22 said:
It feels weird that Ichigo and Aizen could end up scaling to 3-A. Prime Soul King was good but the rest seems like outlier territory to move them above their current tiers.
Literally nothing would suggest it's an outlier. They're God tiers in the verse that have been established to be much much much much more powerful than the rest of the characters.
 
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The ridiculous jump in power alone is enough to warrant outlier. These characters are about to be jumping from Country (probably Multi Continent after the current changes) level to universal. That's ridiculous. I am a bleach fanboy at heart and have fought for upgrades before on this site when others have disagreed and even I see this as an absurd gap in power.
 
Superßull said:
so what i'm getting from all this is that essentially yhwach is possibly 3-A due to the simple fact that he was holding 3 "realms" from collapsing one of wich contained an infinite space-time is that it ?
Yes, and Soul king also created the infinite space room since its in soul society and soul king created soul society
 
Amlad22 said:
The ridiculous jump in power alone is enough to warrant outlier. These characters are about to be jumping from Country (probably Multi Continent after the current changes) level to universal. That's ridiculous. I am a bleach fanboy at heart and have fought for upgrades before on this site when others have disagreed and even I see this as an absurd gap in power.
A massive jump in power on its own is not an outlier unless they have several contradicting feats.
 
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Pretty sure this was already done...

Anyway... Is Ichigo technically twice as strong as he was before when he got his powers back from Yhwach since he had himself restored by Tsukishima and Orihime or something ? If so...How strong is he ?
 

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How could this be missed when prepping for the big Bleach CRT?

Also, where exactly is this passage from in the novel? Could we get a link instead of a scan?
 
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well , if muken is infinite and PSK created it( as he created everything in SS dimension) , then yeah it's was pretty casual
 
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bumping yhwach and those that scale to him to 4-A should be easy enough with that chapter statement that solidify what exactly yhwach was about to do .

bumping PSK to 3-A or above will be more dificult as there is less proof and i don't think muken will be enough on it's own .
 
The living world is treated as equivalent to our own, no?

If the PSK affected the entire thing (placed it into it's own dimension/realm) that would automatically boost the God tiers' ratings.
 
If you're all going to try to act on this from StormCaller's translations (who I admit is a much better translator than Schneizel), then I would advise you to actually wait till StormCaller translates the Volume 3 section in which Ichibei explains the past and Soul King.
 
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I've a small Question: Why Soul King's 4-A come from the creation of Soul Society when he just separated the Original realm in three, Hueco Mundo, Living World and Soul Society? or I missed something and he really created the SS?
 
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" and return everything to the original plane of eexistence" mean that he was about to undo everything the PSK did .

he was about to remerged the whole dimensions into one again , along with their fused concept of life and death .
 

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Apparently it's because the stars in SS are made of reishi (everything in SS is made of Reishi) and the SK created Reishi from the giant hollow's body so he must've created the stars since they're made of reishi or something like that
 
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The Causality said:
I've a small Question: Why Soul King's 4-A come from the creation of Soul Society when he just separated the Original realm in three, Hueco Mundo, Living World and Soul Society? or I missed something and he really created the SS?
i think there was a statement saying he created eveything in the SS , wich would include the numerous stars in it .
 
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TataHakai said:
Apparently it's because the stars in SS are made of reishi (everything in SS is made of Reishi) and the SK created Reishi from the giant hollow's body so he must've created the stars since they're made of reishi or something like that
Oh I see.
 
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IMadeThisOn8-1-2017 said:
If you're all going to try to act on this from StormCaller's translations (who I admit is a much better translator than Schneizel), then I would advise you to actually wait till StormCaller translates the Volume 3 section in which Ichibei explains the past and Soul King.
 
from the novel.
"Eliminate the boundaries" referring to the dimensional walls between the realms?

I honestly hope this doesnt get reinforced with the better translations since we're looking at 3-A then and I don't want that argument.

Let's just wait till StormCaller gets to Volume 3 now and see what happens.
 
from the novel.

What about Muken?

"Eliminate the boundaries" referring to the dimensional walls between the realms?

I honestly hope this doesnt get reinforced with the better translations since we're looking at 3-A then and I don't want that argument.

Let's just wait till StormCaller gets to Volume 3 now and see what happens.
 
okay so who here votes for prime soul king update to 3-A / possibly Low 2-C and who here doesen't ? i just wanna check
 
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