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Bleach Bankai General Discussion 18

I disagreed with 7-A, it wasn't based on solid scaling. The 7-C is undeniable, thus reasonable.

Edit: Orihime may be upgraded down the line again through injuring Ginjo who may be getting upgraded as well.
 
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I understand, do you have scans where you explain how sound works? For what I remember is said that it can nullify the perception of the opponent but I want to remove that doubt.
 
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M11UTD said:
So who will do the Aura profile?
Well I was planning to make one for her Tokinada and Hikone. But I need a refresher on how they scale. If anyone could help me I'd appreciate it.
 
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Aura is stated to have physical abilities on the lvl of Aizen and has fought Urahara.

Tokinada is stated to have reiatsu on par with Byakuya and Yoruichi and has also fought Shikai Shunsui.

Hikone I forgot due to how much his power changed throughout the novel. But I think 20% Base Hikone was comparable to Post-Muken Base Kenpachi w/ eyepatch off.
 
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Hmm. Last I remember people had issue with Tokinada scaling. I guess we'll need a thread for the 3 of them to discuss scaling and what powers they have.
 
Aura isn't stated to have the physical abilities of Aizen. The statement can easily be seen as a comparison of how Aura is superior to Fullbringers like Aizen is to Shinigami.

However, she does scale to Urahara and his Hado 99 calc which may get upgraded from it's current High 6-C to Low 6-B range when Karakura's size is upgraded soon.

Tokinada isn't stated to have Reiatsu on par with Byakuya nor Yoruichi. It's just said that Royal Family members have large amounts; however, Tokinada should scale to Shunsui at least.

Hikone is superior to Gran Rey Ceros before Resurreccion and could fight Base Kenpachi and seemed to push him to use his Shikai until Hisagi interrupted.
 
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From what I remember another scaling is 20% Base Hikone is stronger than Post-Timeskip Resurreccion Espadas.

Post-Timeskip Base Grimmjow is stronger than Post-Training Base Ginjo and Tsukishima.

Post-Training Base Ginjo can deflect Base Candice's attacks.

Base Candice is at least comparable to Base Robert.

Base Robert should backwards scale from his Vollständig form which was able to keep up with and injure Shikai Shunsui.
 
> From what I remember another scaling is 20% Base Hikone is stronger than Post-Timeskip Resurreccion Espadas.

Why u think so?

Base Nelliel with some helps from Liltotto can redirect his strongest base attack without much effort. Yeah ,he was not really on 20% in second battle,but arrancars not in release too.

Also Ikomikidomoe = Hikone ,and NaNaNa+ Luppi/Grimmjow combo easily oneshotted him.


Scheneizel created next part ,thx to her.

So ,Nelliel found Aura in garganta and opened HUUUUGE garganta to transfer her + castle to Hueco Mundo.Its....really impressive.
 
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According to Missstormcaller's translation Hikone said he was just as strong as Ikomikidomoe. And Ikomikidomoe took on the female Sternritters, Post-Timeskip Resureccion Espadas and Mayuri's Undead squad at the same time in Volume 3. Everybody on the scene were wary of Ikomikidomoe which means individually they aren't stronger than him.

Though 20% Hikone was already comparable to Post-Muken Base Kenpachi w/ eyepatch off offscreen so this scaling isn't really that important. Since Post-Muken Base Kenpachi was implied to be a threat to Base Aizen just like Yamamoto in Spirits Are Forever With You. And the characters comparable to Base Aizen like Urahara and Aura were shown to be able to outperform most of the characters in the alliance.
 
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I'm not sure if you're joking but the scaling is pretty much just this.

20% Base Hikone ~ Post-Muken Base Kenpachi w/ eyepatch off > Aura ~ Urahara = Base Aizen > Shunsui ~ Tokinada > Tsukishima
 
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Not really. Byakuya is not a transcendent being. Tsukishima would have to be one to fight Aizen.

It's an outlier.
 
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he inserted himself into their past way before just aizen , probably making enough differences for chad and orihime to actually see god aizen , this pic show pretty clearly :

https://imgur.com/b5BWUmA

probably an outlier yes but still show what crazy bullshit Book of the End can do
 
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those are the memories of their past , last time i recall , i don't see myself in a scene i observe .

and they clearly state , word for word that defeating aizen was ALL thanks to tsukishima
 
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>probably an outlier yes but still show what crazy bullshit Book of the End can do

Definitely an outlier, and yes that's literally the only reason I'm the one who brought up the scans as such: to showcase why it's a Top 3 power in Bleach
 
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shouldn't it be stated as a kind of limit in his profile then ? like a "can reach*tier of god aizen* with past manipulation" or something of the sort ?
 
And they believed that for Ichigo even when they didn't see him in person. Until it is proven that Tsukishima changed their pasts enough that they were there for the final fight, Tsukishima has absolutely no feat of encountering God Aizen.
 
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It's probably a lie, yes he makes it like he did but since they were never fucking there than Tsukishima took all the credit, all Book of the End is give him information and alter information from others but it never actually affects his powers. He would still get DESTROYED by Byakuya.

Tsukishima is literally all talk but he can't back up.

How did he defeat Aizen ? How did he save Kuchiki ? How was he was Byakuya's master if he's just a human ?
 
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Why would Orihime and Chad lied? They are the one telling Ichigo that Tsukishima was there with them when he defeated God Aizen in that alternative word. Transcendent doesn't mean anything because I'm 100% certain that Cell isn't transcendent and he would stomp God Aizen like a ant.
 
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It's not them who lied, that entire scene is to mentally fuck up Ichigo. The memory they have is "Tsukishima helped them to defeat Aizen" But HOW DID THAT HAPPEN
 
The Byakuya situation is a bit different, since he directly interacted with Byakuya, and sparred with him, in the past, there is no reason not to scale him as comparablr to Byakuya. And Byakuya confirms it.
 
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Dangai Ichigo said:
So he can simply be any tier he wants ? Oh joy, how I fucking hate Tsukishima
That only happens if he can somehow achieve it. In the case with Byakuya he choose to train Byakuya also training himself to be equal to Byakuya. Perhaps in that timeline he reach transcendent level without been a transcendent. Byakuya could sense Yhwach's power who is supposed to be above transcendents. Transcendent was abandoned like God Ki in DBS.
 
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AppleLord said:
Dangai Ichigo said:
So he can simply be any tier he wants ? Oh joy, how I fucking hate Tsukishima
That only happens if he can somehow achieve it. In the case with Byakuya he choose to train Byakuya also training himself to be equal to Byakuya. Perhaps in that timeline he reach transcendent level without been a transcendent. Byakuya could sense Yhwach's power who is supposed to be above transcendents. Transcendent was abandoned like God Ki in DBS.
Which sounds stupid
 
...and there is no case for Tsukishima to have faced God Aizen, there is nothing that would lead Tsukishima to be trancendant.

Though yes, trancendant seems to have be retconned out of the verse.
 
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well we know zangetsu can't be mimicry'ed and that his bankai is useless against Almighty

so , beside boosting his AP by a crapton , his bankai have nothing going for it but it's in line with his previous"bankai"
 
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PaChi2 said:
Is there any possibility that we get to see Ichigo's bankai?
Ichigo's Bankai was restored back thanks to Tsukishima past manipulation & Orihime's Casualty manipulation. Ichigo killed Yhwach twice with his Bankai. Ichigo's Hollowfied Bankai was what we didn't see in combat.
 
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Dunno why anyone is even entertaining Tsukishima fighting Aizen. Ichigo would just thrash the butterfly like last time regardless of who else was there.
 
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AnonymousBlank said:
Dunno why anyone is even entertaining Tsukishima fighting Aizen. Ichigo would just thrash the butterfly like last time regardless of who else was there.
Ichigo would had lost his powers through Mugetsu, and no Urahara to seal him because Tsukishima took his place and he doesn't know Kido.
 
Ichigo would had lost his powers through Mugetsu, and no Urahara to seal him because Tsukishima took his place and he doesn't know Kido.

He could counter Kido's tho as he told Byakuya
 
Ichigo would had lost his powers through Mugetsu, and no Urahara to seal him because Tsukishima took his place and he doesn't know Kido.

He could counter Kido's tho as he told Byakuya
 
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DazaiJisatsuManiac said:
Ichigo would had lost his powers through Mugetsu, and no Urahara to seal him because Tsukishima took his place and he doesn't know Kido.
He could counter Kido's tho as he told Byakuya
I meant that he cannot seal Aizen away.
 
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Been a while since I read that far back but does it say Urahara doesn't show up? Cuz I remember it showing Dangai Ichigo which would mean he didnt use Mugetsu yet.
 
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AnonymousBlank said:
Been a while since I read that far back but does it say Urahara doesn't show up? Cuz I remember it showing Dangai Ichigo which would mean he didnt use Mugetsu yet.
That was the scene before Ichigo use Mugetsu, and Tsukishima replaces someone in the past the only one there beside Ichigo was Urahara.
 
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^Your comment above. You said it was the scene before Mugetsu, but how can Tsukishima be replacing Kisuke if he was there before Urahara arrived to explain the seal?
 
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@Zezu1995 and @MetalGearRaiden keep it civil guys. We don't have to be insulting others over a topic that you don't agree with. I'll report you if you keep it up.
 
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Let's not let things get toxic.
why not?

its not like a bit of toxicity will kill you or something,right?


we are fans of FUCKN BLEACH

you know very well how much toxicity we are facing from other fanbases on day to day basis

if we can handle this,you can handle 2
 

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It's not my fault the calc was wrong, i was just the only one that wanted to point it out.

If bleach becomes 5-A through an actually valid calc/feat then i'd be fine with it.
 
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It's not my fault the calc was wrong, i was just the only one that wanted to point it out.
If bleach becomes 5-A through an actually valid calc/feat then i'd be fine with it.
thing is ,even if tomorrow it will be revealed,that soulking at his weakened state created a fuckn star,you will find a way to deem it either outlier, or unreliable feat

because in your mind its not ok to have a fodder ichigo at star tier
 
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Giving you one last warning @MetalGearRaiden before reporting you. Keep it together and relax go outside and breathe then comeback. Stop making trouble.
 
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Woah now, I dont think something like Tata pointing out an inconsistency necessitates this level of aggro. I get you and where you're coming from, theres obviously anti-Bleach sentiment among certain fandoms, but behaving how they want to believe we do does nothing good in the long run
 
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im relaxed also just saying it was pointed out cuz its a habit.. does no one see it? its always a downgrade with taka when it comes to bleach we got all the info and the calcs.. went weeks of debating it and it got accepted but ofc superlowballman has to come in an ruin the day like always
 

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It's downgrades? I literally upgraded Yhwach's wandenreich feat to Low 5-B and was fine with the size upgrade to Seiretei and was fine with the Rel/Sub rel upgrades

Obviously if i see some nonsense like the senna calc and Schrodinger's kubo with the Gremmy meteor then i'm going to point it out, i don't have anything against Bleach, i literally don't care who's the strongest, i'm fine with 4-A SK or 5-B Yhwach, but again, if i see problems then obviously i'm going to call them out.

Now if we could stop this personal attack based on nothing it'd be great.
 
AppleLord said:
Giving you one last warning @MetalGearRaiden before reporting you. Keep it together and relax go outside and breathe then comeback. Stop making trouble.
just out of curiosity ; what will happen if i get reported? will i get chat ban?
 
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I don't care for Tata myself (I am admittedly neutral) but please take this anti Tata sentiment off site if you wanna air grievances. Complaining about one user and claiming an ulterior motive is just gonna cause problems.
 
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whats wrong with sennas feat tho? shes literally pushing back 2 planets.. i dont see why you got a issue with it?
 
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I argued in favor of Tatas meteor CRT for the record, I dont think the dude is hostile toward Bleach hes just pointing out wrong shit.

That said, hes objectively wrong about the Senna calc I will say. I merely didnt want to clutter the discussion to deride it.

Tata claims the feat takes several days, when it's the kidnapping of Senna that triggers the planet merger. This occurs at the end of the film. So the premise of his disagreement with the calc is based in wrongful information from my POV on that front
 
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meh anywho you guys really dont think ichibei should scale to mimihari? since here its planet.. juha stated it was weaker than him . an ichibei beat base juha.. now he did have almighty but.. thats not a power boost just hax
 
Hmm I think the Soul King should have 4-D Soul Manipulation as he can govern and control an infinite amount of Souls. At the very least his Soul Manipulation should be one of the best on this site.
 
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The Prince of Counters said:
Hmm I think the Soul King should have 4-D Soul Manipulation as he can govern and control an infinite amount of Souls. At the very least his Soul Manipulation should be one of the best on this site.
i feel like most comic characters would top him easily tbh
 
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