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Black Clover: God Tiers Speed Revision

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Hopefully with this, the ridiculously long 10c scaling chain gets another quantifiable value. So, Post-Timeskip Zora is currently at least 10c, since he saved Asta from an attack from a Lucifero that wasn't anywhere near his full power (as after this, Lucifero uses double the power he was using before, and even that was not his full power). He takes Lucifero's punch in with his Secret Trap Magic, which is superior to his normal counter traps (which double the attack's speed and power), further reinforced by him saying he'll "pay Lucifero back double". So, he doubles the speed of Lucifero's punch on top of its power, and then Lucifero uses more power and speed, as he can match Zora's power and punch the same distance as Zora did, showing he's comparable in speed. This would make Lucifero 2x the speed of Zora, making him 20c (FTL+)

As for who scales, Half-Manifested Lucifero and his full power state would obviously scale, along with True Devil Union Asta. I don't think incomplete Devil Union Asta would, but Post-Qliphoth Yami... maybe. He tagged Lucifero, but it was after being amped by Nacht's Shadow Magic and also hiding behind Lucifero, so at the same time, maybe not.

Anyways, thoughts on this?
 
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Absolutely, utterly, stupendously, whole-heartedly, unconditionally, thoroughly, arbitrarily, completely...

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.... unquestionably, surely, autonomously, without hindrance, flat out, undoubtedly, unequivocally, agree FRA
 
I completely disagree

uh shit everyone's agreeing...

Yeah 100% agree!

(jk --> with the above part, not joking about the agreement)
 
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Oh, I must be misremembering. I thought the calc was 90c or something similar. Oh well, that's not for this thread
 
Quantu said:
Oh, I must be misremembering. I thought the calc was 90c or something similar. Oh well, that's not for this thread
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15.66c (so god tiers would actually be 31.32c, I misremembered)

But yeah, we'll worry about that later
 
Nothing here states the speed of the punch increased, yeah maybe the power was increased, but nothing, nothing at all said anything about speed
 
Pain_to12 said:
Nothing here states the speed of the punch increased, yeah maybe the power was increased, but nothing, nothing at all said anything about speed
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It's an amplified version of Zora's counter traps, which double both power and speed. That's my proof that speed was also doubled, so what's your proof that speed wasn't doubled?
 
CloverDragon03 said:
It's an amplified version of Zora's counter traps, which double both power and speed. That's my proof that speed was also doubled, so what's your proof that speed wasn't doubled?
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except this time he absorbed the magic power directly and punched out, and all the previous ones had to do with been ranged attacks.
if the argument was he took Lucifero magic power and became faster yeah sure but you are saying only his punch had an increased in speed, how is that supposed to work?

Also if Lucifero was two times faster than Zora prior he wont be reacting to him, I mean Zora who is supposed to be two times slower could intercept Luci.
 
Pain_to12 said:
except this time he absorbed the magic power directly and punched out, and all the previous ones had to do with been ranged attacks.
if the argument was he took Lucifero magic power and became faster yeah sure but you are saying only his punch had an increased in speed, how is that supposed to work?

Also if Lucifero was two times faster than Zora prior he wont be reacting to him, I mean Zora who is supposed to be two times slower could intercept Luci.
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By extension I'm saying he made himself faster, you know that right? Also, Lucifero was using less power and speed before Zora intercepted him, and then he was intercepted and had to use more in order to overpower Zora, which makes sense given Lucifero's whole "looking down on humans" shtick
 
CloverDragon03 said:
By extension I'm saying he made himself faster, you know that right?
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Yes that’s why I’m saying the power is no longer in his punch but across his whole body which will by extension mean this kind of scenario
Let’s say the energy absorbed is 10joules and he doubled it to become 20joules. Unless the power is in his fist alone and alone that’s how he gets to output the entire 20joules of energy.
But if he spreads it across his body he gets a boost but it’s unquantifiable
CloverDragon03 said:
Also, Lucifero was using less power and speed before Zora intercepted him, and then he was intercepted and had to use more in order to overpower Zora, which makes sense given Lucifero's whole "looking down on humans" shtick
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Agree with this
 
Pain_to12 said:
Yes that’s why I’m saying the power is no longer in his punch but across his whole body which will by extension mean this kind of scenario
Let’s say the energy absorbed is 10joules and he doubled it to become 20joules. Unless the power is in his fist alone and alone that’s how he gets to output the entire 20joules of energy.
But if he spreads it across his body he gets a boost but it’s unquantifiable

Agree with this
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Zora just said “all that magic power I took… goes to my right fist” so actually I’m not too sure about that one
 
CloverDragon03 said:
Zora just said “all that magic power I took… goes to my right fist” so actually I’m not too sure about that one
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Makes no sense his fist alone was the one with the speed, itself has no speed
The wielder of the punch is The Who has the speed.
So yes the return it back two fold was strictly talking about power
 
CloverDragon03 said:
Half-Manifested Lucifero and his full power
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This is blatantly obvious.
CloverDragon03 said:
True Devil Union Asta
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He would for sure
CloverDragon03 said:
incomplete Devil Union Asta
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Nah. He's consistently blitzed by Lucifero before the whole trap magic thing happens.
CloverDragon03 said:
Post-Qliphoth Yami
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Maybe.
CloverDragon03 said:
but it was after being amped by Nacht's Shadow Magic
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Yami is able to slightly keep up with Half FP Lucifero even when Kid's Playground is destroyed. Nacht is also able to dodge an attack using Canis x Felis
 
My issue is that Kid’s Playground wasn’t completely destroyed, there was still a good chunk of it to amp Yami and Nacht, and to allow them to hide
 
Pain_to12 said:
Makes no sense his fist alone was the one with the speed, itself has no speed
The wielder of the punch is The Who has the speed.
So yes the return it back two fold was strictly talking about power
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“Strictly about power” cannot be proven to be true and had more evidence against it due to the nature of Zora’s counter traps. If you can prove that it was only about power, do it
 
CloverDragon03 said:
My issue is that Kid’s Playground wasn’t completely destroyed, there was still a good chunk of it to amp Yami and Nacht, and to allow them to hide
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Yami is still fast enough to catch and saved Nacht from suppressed Lucifero with killing intent.

Nacht did same with Asta

didn't know kids' playground boosted their speed tho, thought it was a strength amp. If it really is just a strength amp then the reasons i just mentioned above should make the speed feats below consistent.
Steve_Rogers1 said:
Yami is able to slightly keep up with Half FP Lucifero even when Kid's Playground is destroyed. Nacht is also able to dodge an attack using Canis x Felis
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Also, I think it was completely destroyed but it's whatever
 
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