Black Clover CRT

[Epsilon_R]

Asta:

Limited Death Manipulation: Withered Plants by releasing Anti-Magic


Noelle:

Spatial Manipulation: Can control the enemy's spell withi an area

 

[AstralKing7]

Damn that is limited death manipulation and that's one of hell of a find because even if it doesn't get death manipulation that still is a broken ability because it's passive.

I agree with this

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Agree with Asta, nuetral on Noelle.

 

[AstralKing7]

Noelles ability seems more like law manipulation. Besides jsut controlling magic in the space she can also stop an opponents spell before it even activates and she can even erase the effects of a spell while it's in place

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

You need to make a separate CGM thread to talk about both of the calcs.

 

[Nierre]

Damn, I agree with everything but Noelle. AstralKing7's description seems better. But regardless, that's pretty broken.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Yes you need to make a thread as to why that calc should be used as opposed to the other version.

 

[ABoogieYesSir]

The Asta one sounds like Limited Age Manipulaiton to me.

Noelle in her Valkyrie Dress with that lance is Durability Negation for me.

 

[AstralKing7]

How is that durability negation??? That makes no sense

 

[ABoogieYesSir]

With her Lance while using her Valkyrie Dress. I'm neutral with Spatial Manipulation for her.

 

[Duedate8898]

Hmm, I agree with the Limited Death Manipulation, very clear case of the plant life shriveling up and dying.

For Noelle, I do think its a limited form of space manipulation since the way it is described it sounds like what she's using is a very compacted and small form of Mana Zone. I do think this moment also points to magical powernull as well since she's capable of overuling someone else's ability.

In regards to the calc, as much as I would love mountain level it should be discussed why the new one should be used over the old one. I'll probably make the thread if it isn't done by the time I'm back up again.

 

[ABoogieYesSir]

Bump

 

[Duedate8898]

Oh yeah

 

[Duedate8898]

The thread for the calcs has been created here. Sorry for taking so long.

 

[Ionliosite]

I agree with Limited Death Manip for Asta. Neutral on Noelle, but may lean to agree.

 

[ABoogieYesSir]

Somebody get a STAFF here!

 

[Ryuga21]

Noelle is Power Modification not Spatial Manipulation.

 

[Epsilon_R]

That's really not power modification imo

 

[Ryuga21]

why

 

[Epsilon_R]

From what I get from the page, Power Modification modifies one's power. Noelle is just controling it

 

[SpookyShadow]

Idk about the nature of Noelle's spell, but it may be Vector Manipulation or just some degree of Spatial Manipulation

Limited Death might be good

 

[AstralKing7]

It could be multiple abilities tbh let's not forget that

 

[ABoogieYesSir]

I wanna add this to Noelle too: She has Durability Negation by her lance while in her Valkarie Dress.

And it's hard to find which power and abilities it is for Noelle, Tabata.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

I don't see how that's Spatial Manipulation

 

[SpookyShadow]

If she creates a space where she can control the direction of attacks - it's probably Spatial Manipulation

If it's just controlling the direction of attacks, probably Vector Manipulation

 

[ABoogieYesSir]

Could be possible that it's the lesser version of Vector Manip.

 

[Epsilon_R]

Her Valkyrie Dress has a range in which everything around it is under her control

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

That just sounds lime she controls other people's power.

 

[AstralKing7]

She doesn't just control power. She controls even magic in the space

 

[Nierre]

Probably Spatial Manipulation instead on Law Manipulation, honestly..

 

[ABoogieYesSir]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

What are the conclusions here? Are there any other staff members listed in the Black Clover verse page that you can ask for help?

 

[MindControl116]

I agree with the limited Death manipulation for Asta.

I'm honestly not 100% convinced Noelle's feat is spatial manipulation, although I definitely see more in favor than against. Vector Manipulation may just end up being more appropriate, though, especially due to the nature of mana. Mana already acts somewhat like a vector field, anyway.

 

[Antvasima]

I checked, and limited death manipulation seems fine. I do not think that we have sufficient explicit evidence for spatial manipulation or vector manipulation though.

 

[AstralKing7]

I can try to find more evidence for whatever her ability is

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you.

 

[ABoogieYesSir]

Yeah. Tabata writing for Noelle needs to be more explict.

 

[Antvasima]

So should what has been accepted be applied here?

 

[ABoogieYesSir]

Limited Death Manipulation is accepted.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Somebody who knows what he/she is doing can apply that then.