Bill's mindscape key tier

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

In this thread, I was told that a character who is able to destroy a 2+1 dimensional realm (2 spatial and 1 temporal dimension) has 3D power similar to the way a Low 2-C (Destroys a 3+1 dimensional universe) character have 4D power.

Since Bill was claimed to be responsible to the destruction of his own 2D dimension , as Journal 3 states that "He "liberated" his dimension by plunging it into burning chaos", and the Axolotl said in his poem, which was about Bill, "Saw his own dimension burn. Misses home and can't return.". That further claims that Bill is directly responsible for the destruction of his own 2D dimension.


A 2D Dimension in the GF Multiverse

Note: This is not Bill's home dimension, but it is a universe very similar to the one Bill originated from.

Also, before anyone would try to say that there is no time in that dimension, the inhabitants of the second dimension actively came and tried to attack Ford (or actually the weird shape his body made when he intersected with that realm) and since the standard for seperated universe is having both space and time, there's no reason why there wouldn't be time in that world or Bill's world as well (Especially since it seems that the world of Flatland, another 2D world, have time in it.)

For those reasons, I would suggest to upgrade Bill's tier when he's 2D to "Unknown" (But at least 10-C)

 

[Eficiente]

10-C makes sense.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Well, he also was threatening Ford while he was in the nightmare realm, along with other refugees, so that's at least 9-B. And it said that since we can't quantify the amount of power the destruction of Bill's dimension caused, we can't safely assume it's 10-C, or any other tier between tier 10 and tier 3. Though if Bill's home universe was infinite, then he would be High 3-A, since destroying an infinite 2+1 universe is like destroying the space in an infinite 3D universe according to the new tiering system

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

The whole plot revolves around the fact that he cannot interact with the physical world dude. He specifically puts anyone he speaks or interacts with asleep, because his abilities only work within the confines of a mind.

Him making a physical body allowed him to use his dream abilities in the real world.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

And in the nightmare realm planets can become as small as sanwitches, and several other whacky stuff. Rules don't apply there, and you can't put down a tier inside of it.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

The whole plot revolves around the fact that he cannot interact with the physical world dude. He specifically puts anyone he speaks or interacts with asleep, because his abilities only work within the confines of a mind.
Him making a physical body allowed him to use his dream abilities in the real world.

Nightmare Realm = / = Mindscape. In the Nightmare realm, Bill is physically there, but is 2D rather than 3D. Also, since Ford is 9-B, threatrning and doing serious damage to him is also a 9-B feat. Also, Regardless of Anything, he should get 3D powers for the same reasons timeline busters have 4D powers. Bill outright destroyed a timeline of a 2D universe (that would count as unknown unless Bill's home realm is infinite)

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

His first key is not his nightmare realm self tough. It is specifically his projection into the world.

Again, normal humans could eat planets in the nightmare realm, it is not something you can put a tier on. It's a nonsensical world. His first key is not his self in the nightmare realm, it's the one in the real world.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

His first key is not his nightmare realm self tough. It is specifically his projection into the world.
Again, normal humans could eat planets in the nightmare realm, it is not something you can put a tier on. It's a nonsensical world. His first key is not his self in the nightmare realm, it's the one in the real world.

So why not make a key for Bill in the nightmare realm then and make his tier to be "Unknown, At least 9-B"? (9-B comes from being above Ford physically at least). Also, the before weirdmaggedon key covers both his nightmare realm form and mindscape form, so no, they're not treated differently here

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Because it's not at least 9-B, or else Mabel would be at least 5-B.

It is a completely chaotic realm where no rules work. More likely than not, he is completely equal to his second key in his world.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Because it's not at least 9-B, or else Mabel would be at least 5-B.
It is a completely chaotic realm where no rules work. More likely than not, he is completely equal to his second key in his world.

1. Those Planets aren't 5-B if they're sandwich sized, so Mabel is not 5-B anyways.

2. Being Chaotic doesn't mean it's unquantiable, and Ford's durability doesn't change when he travels to different worlds, so you would still need to be 9-B to beat him. Also, there are rules there, but they're inconsistent. But that doesn't shown to affect either the AP of the characters or the durability there (I suggest you to look at "Don't dimension it" for reference. Especially when Mabel fights her Clone and they interact normally)

3. I already explained that the 2D timeline busting feat give him at least some degree of 3D power, which you completely ignored

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Yes they are. Ford specifically says so. Size is no static there, much like every other law of reality.

Except that with the little we have been shown it is. There are no shown rules in the nightmare realm itself, and the whole reason why a portal foit was breaking down our reality was it's lack of rules.

You ignored what I said, too. His power in the nightmare realm is equal to the one he achieves in the real world in weirdmageddon, which is the whole reason he has his friends.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

You ignored what I said, too. His power in the nightmare realm is equal to the one he achieves in the real world in weirdmageddon, which is the whole reason he has his friends.

You have a point there, since he did showed to be able to affect 3D beings while in the nightmare realm