Ben 10: Update/Fixing/Additions part 1

[REX9097]

Yes, there are simple things that we must remove and add other things instead.

Spoiler: Removed/Revision

Alien X:

• Law Manipulation (Capable of changing the nature of Mana. Mana is life energy that permeates all of nature being found in everything from aliens to humans to plants, and is the substance of magic)

First, the claim of law manipulation heavily relies on the author's statements, without any direct evidence from the show itself.

Secondly, it is only life manipulation or power modification. It does not change laws; it merely alters nature. It doesn't modify rules, mandates, or even fundamental logical principles, because mana lacks rules.

We should replace it with:

• Physics Manipulation and Law Manipulation (Superior to Annihilarrgh, who set different laws of physics for each Annihilarrgh's universe. Capable of changing the entire universe, including laws of physics. Recreated an entire universe with it's specific laws of physics.)

Mana Manipulation:

• Teleportation: Can telepathy to anywhere.

• Magic/Mana Telekinesis: By enveloping a person or object in mana, mana users can move them around as a form of telekinesis.

• Energy Projection and Explosion Manipulation: Mana can be projected from one's hands, such as in the form of waves and beams.

• Life Manipulation: Users can manipulate Mana, which is life energy.

• Magic: Magic is powered by mana, and beings with a magical aura can utilize it.

Fixing this:

• Teleportation: Using spells, the caster can generate a dome of mana around their desired targets, causing them to teleport to another location.

• Telekinesis: Using spells, mana users can telekinetically move people or objects.

• Energy Projection, Energy Manipulation and Explosion Manipulation: mana users can manipulate energy, make energy blows and trigger energy explosions.

• Life Manipulation and Magic: Any sapient species can potentially learn to manipulate mana, a life energy that permeates all of nature and serves as the substance of magic (Ben 10: Alien Force, "In Charm's Way).

Additional abilities for mana I forgot to add​

Spoiler: Resistances & Hax

Abilities and Hax​

• Fire Manipulation: Using spells, Mana users can created fire blasts.
• Power Nullification: Using negating spell, Mana users can negation powers and technology's powers.
• Limited Fusionism: Mana users can combine their Magic powers with one another if users are compatible.
• BFR: Using spells, Mana users can send people in or out of the Lederdomain dimension.
• Durability Negation: Using spells, can negate durability with Soul Absorption and Life energy absorption.

Energy Manipulation - Unconventional use of energy attacks may be able to bypass the body's natural defenses.
Soul Manipulation - Those who manipulate souls, can bypass conventional durability. However, such attacks are effective only on those who have souls.

• Sleep Manipulation: Using spells, can puts someone to sleep.
• Statistics Amplification and Limited Aura: Using spells, Mana users create a yellow aura around himself to increase her strength.
• Enhanced Power Nullification (Anodite Physiology): without any spells, Anodites can nullify mana-based attacks, as demonstrated when Sunny nullifies Gwen's attacks. They can also nullify transformations, as shown when Gwen and Verdona reverted Ben and Kevin back to their human forms.

Resistance​

• Limited Absorption and Power Absorption: Mana cannot be fully absorbed. Since it is part of the user, he can still use most of his abilities even after someone has absorbed mana from him.

New Abilities for God Tier (most of 1-C to 1-B Tier)​

Spoiler: 1-B Tier

All 1-B Tier can destroy entire Universe and all of existence:

• Annihilarrgh: Can destroy entire Annihilarrgh's universe.
• Paradox with Chrono Navigator: Can destroy all of existence and entire universe.
• Alien X: Stated to be can destroy all Annihilarrgh's Universes without EE or AP. Can destroy all of existence, without EE or AP.

Feedback, Kevin, Contumilla, and Maltruant can't destroy Annihilarrgh's universe, so they won't get these abilities.

Immortality Negation​

• Type 1, 3, 4 & 7 (Alien X): Can destroy entire Annihilarrgh's universe/universes, includes species of Zs'Skayr (Type 7), Maltruant (Type 4), Swampfire (Type 3), Snare-oh (Type 3), Anodites (Type 1).
• Type 4 (Chrono Navigator): Can destroy all of existence, includes species of Maltruant (Type 4).

Note: Maltruant can come back to life after collect his each pieces together, even after his existence is erased by Annihilarrgh, and his pieces are scattered throughout the universe, but when an entire universe is destroyed, Maltruant's pieces will no longer exist, as Paradox stated that Chrono Navigator will destroy all of existence, and he knows that Maltruant is still alive and his pieces are scattered throughout the universe.

New abilities for many Characters​

Spoiler: Resistances & Hax

Abilities and Hax​

• Omnitrix:
  • Data Manipulation: can convert matter into data and install them into its digital world that simulates habitats of Ben's aliens.
• Azmuth:
  • Data Manipulation: Creating the Omnitrix that contains the Digital World turns matter into data.
• Alien X:
  • Data Manipulation and Information Manipulation: Type 2; It can change the entire universe including Omnitrix's Digital world and Sumo Slammers game. Celestialsapiens change the universe often times, including digital worlds such as sumo slammers that is seemingly an simulated reality that uses data as a fundamental block to sustain reality. Celestialsapiens change information regarding people all the time.
• Ascalon:
  • Madness Manipulation: Type 3; Ascalon can bring madness to anyone who wields it. The madness occurs as a side effect of gaining its powers, making the wielder believe they are unbeatable and can do whatever they want (Ben 10: Ultimate Alien, "The Ultimate Enemy: Part 2")

Resistances​

• Ben:
  • Madness Manipulation: Type 3; unaffected by Ascalon's side effects as Vilgax was convincing him to destroy all evil with Ascalon's power and Ben was not affected by Vilgax's convincing nor was Ascalon able to drive Ben into madness (Ben 10: Ultimate Alien, "The Ultimate Enemy: Part 2").
• Alien X:
  • Madness Manipulation: Type 3; His has 3 minds include Ben's mind, which is itself unaffected by Ascalon madness effect.

Add new proofs and upgrades​

Spoiler: More proofs and upgrades

Alien X:

• Existence Erasure (Stated by Servantis that with a Celestialsapien form, Ben could one day wipe everything out of existence[6])

I hope that these words are modified because it does not prove EE that it is RW, but we can modify it:

• Existence Erasure (Alien X could one day destroy all of existence[6]. Should be superior to the Chrono Navigator, a device capable of destroying all of existence, which includes time and causality, as Servantis implied Alien X being omnipotent in that aspect, which has been supported by Professor Paradox previously, who called him omnipotent as well.)

Reality Warping & Creation (Easily recreated "The Universe" with a simple thought[2])

More proofs:

Enhanced Reality Warping & Creation (Easily recreated "The Universe" with a simple thought[2]. Alien X's reality warping is so powerful he can make something happen just by thinking about it. Stated by Servantis that with a Celestialsapien form, Ben can one day just wishes everything out of existence[6]. Comparable to Celestialsapiens, who can changing the entire universe. Stated can create and destroy entire universes.)

Hypnotick:
Should be abb also flight speed

Speed: Massively FTL+ combat, reaction and flight speeds (Kept up with Big Chill's flight speed)

Agree: @Lloydblitzed, @Hellformer, @ShionAH
Disagree: @Lloydblitzed (Information Manipulation), @ShionAH (Information Manip)
Neutral:[/SPOILER]

 

[Success0906]

Lemme give it a looooong read. Be back in a ziffy.

 

[Robo432343]

Omnitrix:

• Information Manipulation: Type 2; can convert matter into data and install them into its digital world that simulates habitats of Ben's aliens.

• Azmuth:
  • Information Manipulation: Type 2; Creating the Omnitrix that contains the Digital World turns matter into data

this is data manipulation, not info

 

[Lloydblitzed]

agree with the additions

 

[Hellformer]

Seems fine

 

[ShionAH]

Unless Ben 10 has High godly users the immortality negation wont work.

Information Type 2 is not that, so that is wrong too.

Dc about the rest

 

[Lloydblitzed]

agree with the additions

Gonna precise I disagree with Info manip, but agree with the rest

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

Agree with everything except for Immortality Negation. All of their Immortality can simply be countered with simple existence erasure or reality destruction.

 

[Voidnether]

Looks good enough except for Information Type 2 & all types of immortality negation

 

[REX9097]

Agree with everything except for Immortality Negation. All of their Immortality can simply be countered with simple existence erasure or reality destruction.

Simply, Annihilarrgh and Chrono Navigator use an explosion of energy without using Existence Erasure and you can see this when Annihilarrgh and Chrono Navigator trying to destroy the universe as it radiates an explosion of purple energy. As for Alien X, he does not perform Existence Erasure, he is able to wish for anything, even if he wishes to kill Maltruant, Swampfire, or ZS'Skayr.

 

[Hellformer]

Ascalon:

• Madness Manipulation: Type 3; Ascalon can bring madness to anyone who wields it by giving them great power, making them believe they are unbeatable and can do whatever they want (Ben 10: Ultimate Alien, "The Ultimate Enemy: Part 2")

Resistances​

• Ben:
  • Madness Manipulation: Type 3; unaffected by Ascalon's side effects as Vilgax was convincing him to destroy all evil with Ascalon's power and Ben was not affected by Vilgax's convincing nor was Ascalon able to drive Ben into madness (Ben 10: Ultimate Alien, "The Ultimate Enemy: Part 2").
• Alien X:
  • Madness Manipulation: Type 3; His has 3 minds include Ben's mind, which is itself unaffected by Ascalon madness effect.

Change this to "the madness occurs as a side effect of getting powers" so that justification for Type 3 MM seems solid.

 

[ShionAH]

Simply, Annihilarrgh and Chrono Navigator use an explosion of energy without using Existence Erasure and you can see this when Annihilarrgh and Chrono Navigator trying to destroy the universe as it radiates an explosion of purple energy.

That would still need Low Godly regen to come back from. So this feat doesnt work

Iiirc the profiles accept is as EE too.

 

[Success0906]

Simply, Annihilarrgh and Chrono Navigator use an explosion of energy without using Existence Erasure and you can see this when Annihilarrgh and Chrono Navigator trying to destroy the universe as it radiates an explosion of purple energy. As for Alien X, he does not perform Existence Erasure, he is able to wish for anything, even if he wishes to kill Maltruant, Swampfire, or ZS'Skayr.

They are still being destroyed at a higher level than their regeneration, especially since it also erases entire timelines.

Info manip needs a bit refining for Alien X.

Others seem fine.

 

[REX9097]

They are still being destroyed at a higher level than their regeneration, especially since it also erases entire timelines.

Alien X not need Existence Erasure, he can destroy all of existence without EE

Ben's most powerful alien upgrade, Alien X's reality warping is so powerful he can make something happen just by thinking about it.

It was mentioned that he could wish for anything he wanted, even if this was the destruction of beings or the universe himself.

 

[Success0906]

Alien X not need Existence Erasure, he can destroy all of existence without EE

That would default to either AP or EE since Alien X is the strongest and can do anything with a thought.

It was mentioned that he could wish for anything he wanted, even if this was the destruction of beings or the universe himself

Just because there are statements of someone being capable of doing everything they can think of doesn't mean they have this and that ability that they never showcased.

 

[REX9097]

Maltruant has Type 4 immortality because he can come back to life after each piece of him is reassembled, even after being destroyed by Annihilarrgh's explosion. This means he can survive even after existential Erasure explosion (EE), which also supports the idea that Maltruant's species cannot die from EE.

That would default to either AP or EE since Alien X is the strongest and can do anything with a thought.

He literally stated that it's not EE or AP that it's Reality Warping and at the same time stated "Alien X can create and destroy entire universes" including the Maltruant pieces.

Just because there are statements of someone being capable of doing everything they can think of doesn't mean they have this and that ability that they never showcased.

I didn't say that, I was saying that he is can destroy the universe even without EE or AP.

 

[Success0906]

Maltruant has Type 4 immortality because he can come back to life after each piece of him is reassembled, even after being destroyed by Annihilarrgh's explosion. This means he can survive even after existential Erasure explosion (EE), which also supports the idea that Maltruant's species cannot die from EE.

He is in a loop, dude. And his parts aren't destroyed by the Annihilargh, it just got scattered.

He literally stated that it's not EE or AP that it's Reality Warping and at the same time stated "Alien X can create and destroy entire universes" including the Maltruant pieces.

Yes.

I didn't say that, I was saying that he is can destroy the universe even without EE or AP.

That would literally be a feat of AP and be counted as such with account to Reality Warping.

 

[Voidnether]

That would literally be a feat of AP and be counted as such with account to Reality Warping.

Honestly, it's just the result of indirect manipulation here if I might say and it really wouldn't scale that much (Like how everything that governs that same universe gets destroyed if they're not independent from it) except if it's Immortality Type 9 with them being in an actual different universe and you manage to negate that but that's just different things imo

 

[REX9097]

He is in a loop, dude. And his parts aren't destroyed by the Annihilargh, it just got scattered.

"He is in a loop"≠He died, his pieces are still exists even after his existence was erased which clearly indicates that he can be brought back to life even after receiving the erasure of his existence.

 

[REX9097]

Honestly, it's just the result of indirect manipulation here if I might say and it really wouldn't scale that much (Like how everything that governs that same universe gets destroyed if they're not independent from it) except if it's Immortality Type 9 with them being in an actual different universe and you manage to negate that but that's just different things imo

So is limited Immortality Negation?

 

[Voidnether]

So is limited Immortality Negation?

You wouldn't get anything to be honest, in-direct manipulation on conceptual manipulation page already explains it that if you change a concept through social influencing for example like the concept of rich, poor et cetera you wouldn't get concept manipulation at all

Because, assuming things like space, time, causality governing that same universe it means you could destroy the space, time, causality, law, et cetera that governs that same universe when really it's just through indirect manipulation because you're not "destroying" them but destroying the things that they governed & reliant at

 

[REX9097]

You wouldn't get anything to be honest, in-direct manipulation on conceptual manipulation page already explains it that if you change a concept through social influencing for example like the concept of rich, poor et cetera you wouldn't get concept manipulation at all

Because, assuming things like space, time, causality governing that same universe it means you could destroy the space, time, causality, law, et cetera that governs that same universe when really it's just through indirect manipulation because you're not "destroying" them but destroying the things that they governed & reliant at

This find

 

[REX9097]

Add new proofs​

Spoiler: More proofs

Alien X:

I hope that these words are modified because it does not prove EE that it is RW, but we can modify it:

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More proofs:

I added other new things as this was not just noticed. I also added more proofs to Information Manipulation Type 2 for Alien X.

 

[Voidnether]

I added other new things as this was not just noticed. I also added more proofs to Information Manipulation Type 2 for Alien X.

I just checked the proof, I don't really see how data here would correlate to information as the last part is just two different things imo

We could accept it as data manipulation on a fundamental scale as the building block of reality, but other than that idk

 

[REX9097]

I just checked the proof, I don't really see how data here would correlate to information as the last part is just two different things imo

We could accept it as data manipulation on a fundamental scale as the building block of reality, but other than that idk

He can change the very nature of space-time, isn’t this is Information Manipulation?

 

[Voidnether]

He can change the very nature of space-time, isn’t this is Information Manipulation?

No, information manipulation type 2 means you're manipulating information that operates as a building block of reality themselves
I would agree with info type 2 if the celestialsapiens are manipulating it on a fundamental level

Its explained that data there operates as the building block, if there's no feats with data being information themselves then it just doesn't get it

Other than that, you did a good job tho

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

No, information manipulation type 2 means you're manipulating information that operates as a building block of reality themselves
I would agree with info type 2 if the celestialsapiens are manipulating it on a fundamental level

Its explained that data there operates as the building block, if there's no feats with data being information themselves then it just doesn't get it

Other than that, you did a good job tho

Information Manipulation is the power to control, alter, and even destroy information itself.
X and his fellow Celestialsapiens can destroy all of existence. Including the Simulation worlds like Sumo Slammers and the world inside the Omnitrix. Data/information is the building blocks of those worlds as they are pure simulations.

 

[Voidnether]

Information Manipulation is the power to control, alter, and even destroy information itself.
X and his fellow Celestialsapiens can destroy all of existence. Including the Simulation worlds like Sumo Slammers and the world inside the Omnitrix. Data/information is the building blocks of those worlds as they are pure simulations.

Alright, it's not that hard really.
If you had the nerve to claim data/information, then could you show me that data is information themselves or atleast if they correlate with each other or if data is atleast composed with information or vice versa?

 

[REX9097]

Bump

 

[REX9097]

I need only 2 agree by staffs

 

[OMNIVERSAL-KING]

Agree

 

[Ben_10_Stick_Nodes]

everything seems fine.

 

[REX9097]

Bump

 

[Firestorm808]

Will get to when available.

 

[REX9097]

Bump

 

[REX9097]

Will get to when available.

......?

 

[Hellformer]

......?

Patience

 

[Success0906]

......?

He will come back when he has time. Patience is an essential virtue for a human being.

 

[REX9097]

He will come back when he has time. Patience is an essential virtue for a human being.

Patience

I didn't say anything, so mention it again. Maybe he forgot about it.

 

[Success0906]

I didn't say anything, so mention it again. Maybe he forgot about it.

He's just busy. He will reply when he is available.