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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

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Interdimensional: Attacks and abilities that can reach beyond the conventional space-time of a single universe, such as into external pocket realities or parts of other universes, but that may not necessarily travel a universal distance.

This I think
 
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Does interdimensional cover inside those dimensions as well though? His range reaches other dimensions this is true, but he controls all the black within those dimensions as well.
 
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Does interdimensional cover inside those dimensions as well though? His range reaches other dimensions this is true, but he controls all the black within those dimensions as well.
Yes, it means that on top of the dimention u are in u can also extend ur reach to others
 
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So, there was something about Hikone using time stop, but iirc it wasnt an official translation and the statement was a bit vague.
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So, there was something about Hikone using time stop, but iirc it wasnt an official translation and the statement was a bit vague.
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If we are to take this literally that would mean Hikone moved 'x' distance in 0 time which is infinite. What volume is it from?
 
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So, I found that quote in the Japanese version of CFYOW III and the literal translation is "to a person watching, it was as if the surrounding time stopped" which still if taken literally would mean Hikone moved 'x' distance in 0 time, since afaik Hikone can't actually stop time. More realistically, I think if a particle of mass moved at SoL it would "stop time", so it's still a nice supporting speed feat for EoS Bleach.
 
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One person saying something doesn't make it correct

On another note, am I the only one who sometimes doesn't get notifications for followed threads? The past 4 or 5 messages didn't actually give a notification.
 
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One person saying something doesn't make it correct

On another note, am I the only one who sometimes doesn't get notifications for followed threads? The past 4 or 5 messages didn't actually give a notification.
I don't get notifications if I have the website open in another tab.
 
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I meant just because M11UTD said Reiatsu scales to stats doesn't make it correct.

Also I'm pretty sure he's saying that in relation to Yhwach, which would be a special case anyway since Quincy use Blut.
 
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"to a person watching, it was as if the surrounding time stopped"

These are key words that tell you that it isn’t literal.
 
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"to a person watching, it was as if the surrounding time stopped"

These are key words that tell you that it isn’t literal.
Not that I'm advocating for it, but seeing how Hikone can't actually stop time, the "as if" could just mean that, Hikone moves so fast time might as well be stopped but it isn't actually stopped.
 
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Not that I'm advocating for it, but seeing how Hikone can't actually stop time, the "as if" could just mean that, Hikone moves so fast time might as well be stopped but it isn't actually stopped.
Considering he is a transcendental being, it makes sense he is so fast that relative to others, he moves instantly.

especially if he’s around butterflyzen levels of strength, if not higher.
 
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Yeah after all the narrator draws attention to the fact that Hikone is a threat that only Kenpachi, Ichigo, and Aizen could comfortably deal with. Hikone is likely within the top 10 strongest and fastest characters in Bleach.
 
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Nope. Not even gonna try that shit. I'm sick of BBS's mercenary tactics. Jesus fuck it's complete hassle to get that many orbs like holy shit.
 
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Ehh nobody uses that small planet level calc, its only supporting feats
For the rest just scales them to arrancar arc.
 
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So is somebody going to make a calc to replace the one that was just removed? And is speed of sound being used?
 
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Sigurd brought up good points for using sound as travel speed, and Apple (I think it was Apple) brought up good points for using lightning as travel speed.

Personally, lightning seems more than fair considering how extremely casual Ichigo was with the femritters. (14652000 km)

Honestly considering how Ichigo earlier in the series ran on an treadmill for like a week and later fought Tensa Zangetsu/White for 3 months, it's pretty fair to assume Ichigo would be going at top speeds for just a mere 9 hours. Albeit that's calc stacking I'm pretty sure. (~11AU for any curious using Ichigo's current speed rating)
 
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Honestly considering how Ichigo earlier in the series ran on an treadmill for like a week and later fought Tensa Zangetsu/White for 3 months, it's pretty fair to assume Ichigo would be going at top speeds for just a mere 9 hours. Albeit that's calc stacking I'm pretty sure. (~11AU for any curious using Ichigo's current speed rating)
I can see the future, so bookmark this reply.

"Using a characters speed to get a distance to use for other characters speed feats will be label as calc stacking."

We can never use the distance for a calc ever again.
 
Came back and found the thread closed...

Can someone remind me exactly how relevant this calc is to the character stats? Because iirc:
Mimihagi would scale above Renji anyway.
Auswählen and the death beam would just scale to Ywhach's attack speed, since they are his attacks. Lilotto would very minimally scale to this, (and since she was already Rel with an extremely lowballed calc, this shouldn't be a issue)
 
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They are supporting feats, anyway looking back at some of the profiles
I say some of their reasoning are terrible:
>>Mimihagi previous speed:
Speed: FTL (Easily traveled to the Soul King Palace in mere moments. One of the fastest beings seen in the series so far)
His reasoning are linked to Rel calc while claiming its FTL?
>>Yamamoto: Continent level+ with Bankai (Would have destroyed Soul Society, stated by Yhwach that he is the only person that can control the power of Yamamoto's Bankai). Again his reasoning are linked to Continent level calc while claiming its Continent level+.
I understand it's scaling from Gremmy but no where it mentions that on his page. Now lets look at Yhwach Page:
>>Yhwach: Attack Potency: Continent level+ (Far superior to Gremmy Thoumeaux)
Fair enough, his Continent level+ is from him superior to Gremmy, lets see Gremmy profiles
>>Gremmy: Attack Potency: Large Country level (Is stated to be the strongest Sternritter and is only below Yhwach)
???
I will probably find more of this if I look a little deeper, normally this won't be much of an issue for me because this only require simple fix..
Except when all profiles are locked..
 
I feel like I remember there being a thread about fixing Bleach's scaling chain, but I could be mistaken.
What I was getting at though, is that the SKP distance has been reduced to a supporting role once Renji got his FTL calc
 
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They are supporting feats, anyway looking back at some of the profiles
I say some of their reasoning are terrible:
>>Mimihagi previous speed:
Speed: FTL (Easily traveled to the Soul King Palace in mere moments. One of the fastest beings seen in the series so far)
His reasoning are linked to Rel calc while claiming its FTL?
>>Yamamoto: Continent level+ with Bankai (Would have destroyed Soul Society, stated by Yhwach that he is the only person that can control the power of Yamamoto's Bankai). Again his reasoning are linked to Continent level calc while claiming its Continent level+.
I understand it's scaling from Gremmy but no where it mentions that on his page. Now lets look at Yhwach Page:
>>Yhwach: Attack Potency: Continent level+ (Far superior to Gremmy Thoumeaux)
Fair enough, his Continent level+ is from him superior to Gremmy, lets see Gremmy profiles
>>Gremmy: Attack Potency: Large Country level (Is stated to be the strongest Sternritter and is only below Yhwach)
???
I will probably find more of this if I look a little deeper, normally this won't be much of an issue for me because this only require simple fix..
Except when all profiles are locked..
Wasn't Yhwach like...Kinda Upscaling thanks to how lazy he is with sleeping and collecting souls? (Or something, pretty sure it involved absorbing the power of the dead Quincy every time he slept or something, so he gets stronger by literally doing nothing)
 

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I'm talking with some staff members about the feat and I'm open to re-calcing it using the speed of sound as Ichigo's travel speed value. I can't promise this is what we'll definitely use but we can at least discuss it and evaluate it.
 
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SOS sounds bad and inaccurate to use given that ichigo has shown and is known to be faster than lightning already and by that point too more than anything imo
 

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Can’t wait for the shit storm that will be the upgrade to lifting the Seretei calc post distance revision
 
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Mach 1 is over 6 times greater than TV for a human so it should still be Low 5-B afaik. Not sure why it would be a mess unless the size of Seireitei is gonna be recalced again.
 
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Depends. If you use SoS for Ichigo arriving in 9h 15m, then the distance would be significantly lower than it was in the original calc, and, by the looks of it, that's the route Damage's calc went to.

Edit: IMO, SoS should have been used for the 7 days timeframe, as that what it would have normally took Ichigo. It took him 9h because he was hurrying the hell up as the invasion already had started.
 
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Depends. If you use SoS for Ichigo arriving in 9h 15m, then the distance would be significantly lower than it was in the original calc, and, by the looks of it, that's the route Damage's calc went to.

Edit: IMO, SoS should have been used for the 7 days timeframe, as that what it would have normally took Ichigo. It took him 9h because he was hurrying the hell up as the invasion already had started.
That's another good point, the normal time frame even using shunpo would take 7 days and ichigo arrived at 9 hours cus he was in a hurry
 
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Using speed of sound (343 m/s) for the 7 days (604,800s) would give a distance of 207,446,400‬ m or 207,446.4 km.
 
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Result from the old calc is the lowest low ball you can come up because that was under the assumption that Ichigo won't do anything and just let himself freefall 7 days straight into soul society, anything lower than that would assume that sometimes Ichigo will stop mid air to take smoke breaks or smt like that.
 
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If Ichigo, was going at the speed of sound (which is completely ridiculous) that would mean that the shunpo reffered from the zero squad member is likely 30m/s.

when basic hollow have supersonic feats

see how dumb and completely nonsensical it sound?

the speed of sound need to be used as a basic value for the 7 days since that is the lowest low end in feats, if you do not want to use the speed of lightning for Ichigo.
 

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If Ichigo, was going at the speed of sound (which is completely ridiculous) that would mean that the shunpo reffered from the zero squad member is likely 30m/s.

when basic hollow have supersonic feats

see how dumb and completely nonsensical it sound?

the speed of sound need to be used as a basic value for the 7 days since that is the lowest low end in feats, if you do not want to use the speed of lightning for Ichigo.

The whole feat is nonsensical since the counterpoint to that if you'd be arguing for Ichigo's max speed to be around Mach 14 if a typical Shunpo down there is just Mach 1.

I've been told that the best low end version is to assume Ichigo was travelling at least Mach 1 since he visually did so on the panel, and we know what his timeframe is.

That's what I've calced.
 
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The whole feat is nonsensical since the counterpoint to that if you'd be arguing for Ichigo's max speed to be around Mach 14 if a typical Shunpo down there is just Mach 1.

I've been told that the best low end version is to assume Ichigo was travelling at least Mach 1 since he visually did so on the panel, and we know what his timeframe is.

That's what I've calced.

We know the timeframe for the other feat too, it is the exact same feat.

Ichigo literally travelled from the Start Barrier to the ground in some seconds, and given the radious of seiretei, speed of sound is too slow and it is contradicted by anything.

what you are implying with that calc is that an human with a bike is faster that what The zero squad member thought Ichigo or any relevant shinigami can do with the shunpo.
That calc is even wrong that the previous one.

There is no reason To do not use the speed of sound on the 7 days feat, given the fact is the most basic thing in the verse, I don’t see any reason do not apply it Beside do not upgrade the verse.
 
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Thinking that Ichigo travel speed is somehow around X times faster than the sounds is for sure more accurate and a fully reasonable low-end than thinking that the shunpo speed used by the zero squad member is around 30 m/s. Which is just wrong.

you know that better than me, and you also said speed of sound is reasonable for the 7 days feat, you Just do not want to apply it.
 
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Sure, we even talked on discord about that, but you forgot.

Another flaw, on your calc is that the speed used by regular shunpo is slower than the falling speed! so a normal shinigami should have slow down his speed instead of going faster by using shunpo! it make sense right? this is even beyond the logic of low ball, since you are forcing a logic to make the result not at the minimun, but the exact opposite of accuarte.

Before making a calc, you should check the logical implication your calc imply; You know that you removed a calc via wrong logical reasoning and made a new one which via logical reasoning is even more wrong...?

Using speed of sound for the 7 days feats, does not have any kind of flaw, since it is faster than the falling speed, it is coherent with the logic that they have to go fast to reach the Seiretei, and is the most basic speed feat of the verse, when we are talking for travel speed of high tier.

Yes, that would mean that Ichigo travel speed is X times faster than the speed of sound, which is a logical low end that do not lead any kind of flaw or paradox like shinigami need to slow down instead of accelerating, since you do not want to use speed of lightning.
 

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@Tyri456; that's why my preference is just not to have any calc at all for this. I created this one because a member of staff asked me to.
 
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Perhaps finding how fast Ichigo travelled from the last barrier to the building he crashed into and using that speed for the 9 hours would be more accurate?
 

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People can make their own versions. I'm just putting this one there based on the suggestion from AppleLord, AnonymousBlank and AKM.
 
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So let’s list a few stuff.
  • Mach 1 is the bare minimum Ichigo could have gone and is shown in the feat but it doesn’t limit Ichigo’s speed in any shape or form (11,421.9 km).
  • Just falling for a week gives a greater distance than Mach 1 Ichigo does (32,054.4 km).
  • Every use of Shunpo is bare minimum FTE to people > human so that is an alternative method if we apply it to the week timeframe (20,744.64 km).
  • TS > or = Dangai who transcends the limits of Hollow and Shinigami so the speeds of such characters (if actually listed) should be viable numbers for the week timeframe eg Mach 500/1000 Kamishini no Yari (yes this number is contentious but it’s an example. Said example gives us 103,723,200 km/207,446,400 km). Zero Squad knows what Dangai can do and were watching Aizen smack everything from the Gotei 13. Now if only we had more of these numbers.
  • Ichigo vs Candice for being blatantly FTE to lightning for the 9:15 hour timeframe (14,779,938.6 km). This is what I would consider the highest number we can have unless some absolute mad lad manages to convince people that SoL is acceptable for either timeframe.
  • Said numbers are 9,983,088,851.4 km (9:15) and 181,314,478,598.4 km (week) for light speed.
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Its lower than what the bare minimum should be but I wouldn’t say it’s more inaccurate than the last one which had Ichigo taking breaks mid air iirc. Number is further off but the method is perfectly fine.
 
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The radious is around 500km.

Dind't Ichigo travel it in just one panel?

Using 5 seconds is 100,000 m/s

Therefore the total distance would be around 3.240.000.000 m
My question: is that calc stacking? I think no, because it is the same feat! I found the speed of Ichigo when he was travelling the feat itself! So it should not be calc stacking, I guess.
 
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I recall the calc was saying his final speed was crossing said distance and it gradually increased from Mach 1 which was the bare minimum starting speed but it got rejected or something.
 
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The radious is around 500km.

Dind't Ichigo travel it in just one panel?

Using 5 seconds is 100,000 m/s

Therefore the total distance would be around 3.240.000.000 m
This sounds very reasonable considering he was fast enough where the femritters weren't quite too sure what just fell. I also agree with the sentiment that the speed Ichigo travels from the last barrier to the building would be him slowing down since he's trying to land, so it's a fair value to assign him. Lastly, there's no reason to assume he took any breaks in the 9 hours when he's demonstrated the ability to run for a week and fight for 3 months.
 
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This sounds very reasonable considering he was fast enough where the femritters weren't quite too sure what just fell. I also agree with the sentiment that the speed Ichigo travels from the last barrier to the building would be him slowing down since he's trying to land, so it's a fair value to assign him. Lastly, there's no reason to assume he took any breaks in the 9 hours when he's demonstrated the ability to run for a week and fight for 3 months.
Yeah.

But what were the reasons why it was not accepted? if it was used.

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@Tyri456; it'd still be calc stacking in the end. You'd be using the calc speed of a character as the basis to try and calc the speed of other characters.
 
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The funniest thing about it is that my calculation that I did a while ago, finding its final speed (which is Mach 499), would still fit with the speed of lightning and that would be consistent with Ichigo's achievements right after, but the argument against it was '' He may have rested during the journey '', and NOTHING indicates that, as Ichigo was in a hurry and had Plenty of stamina to support such a trip. But you know, do what, sometimes they just don't want to accept something.
 
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Not to mention that Ichigo literally after landing blitzed candice.

Going just by statments and on panel feats, that casual blitz is > natural lighting, without even calcing.
If we want an accurate calc, we should use speed of lighting for Ichigo, and directly find the distance.

That speed is also supported by the fact he travelled instantly the radious of the Seiretei, which is still around speed of lighning.

Note that the size of Seiretei is also by statements, so no calc.
 
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The funniest thing about it is that my calculation that I did a while ago, finding its final speed (which is Mach 499), would still fit with the speed of lightning and that would be consistent with Ichigo's achievements right after, but the argument against it was '' He may have rested during the journey '', and NOTHING indicates that, as Ichigo was in a hurry and had Plenty of stamina to support such a trip. But you know, do what, sometimes they just don't want to accept something.
Yea, I always found ridiculous the whole "he need to take a rest"
 
If we have a final velocity (Barrier to ground), a objective start velocity (Speed of Sound), and a clear time-frame why not just assume a constant acceleration and use that to get the distance?
 
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Lmao a weaker Ichigo was able to run with the Vizards for 5-7 days no rest, a weaker Ichigo fought Tensa Zangetsu/White for a whole 3 months no breaks. Ichigo was in a rush to save SS, saying he took a break is a weak counter argument if you could even call it a counter.
 
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