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Here go the additions of vol 6, along with some miscellaneous things outside of vol 6 and the blog with the stats values of all the characters together with the hax scaling/layers of ancient magic in general.

Zero Volume 6​

New Keys​

Fairly simple, we already knew that the Liberators would get a new key with this volume. I propose that the name of these keys be End of Zero/Awakened Power, the first name is pretty simple and direct and the second one is a option is one with a more cool (chuuni, like the author like) one that is also pretty valid because almost everything they get in this volume is do to awaken the the true essence of their ancient magic in the depths of their souls.

Do to their feats in this volume with them fighting various Apostles at the same time the justification of their AP should be like this:
Mountain level (Able to face various Apostles at the same time and kill them without much problem)
The mountain level rating come from the recently accepted calc but that is addressed in the stats section with the blog.

In the specific case of Badd his new case should just be End of Zero and the justification of his stats should be:
(The evolution magic of his equipment make him five times stronger [Zero Volume 6, Chapter 1] than before)

Miledi​

(If someone manage to interfere with Miledi’s casting or disrupt the control of her mana, she can still cast gravity magic [Zero Volume 6, Chapter 1] through the spheres by using them as focal points)

She already have resistance to power nullification, but this an extra countermeasure against it that is worth mention.
Hundreds of Thousand Kilometers (Miledi can call meteors from outer space [Zero Volume 6, Chapter 1])
Satellite Blitz: A technique in which she summon superdense spheres made by Oscar and make them orbit her at high speed, thing that let her defend and attack simultaneously. The spheres also work as countermeasure to when someone manage to interfere with Miledi’s casting or disrupt the control of her mana, because she still can cast gravity magic through the spheres by using them as focal points.

Starfall: A simple but powerful spell that consist of Miledi calling meteors from outer space. Though do to the friction they could end as fist-sized they still pack a high amount of power.

Oscar​

(Oscar artifacts are able to resist [Zero Volume 6, Chapter 1] Apostles disintegration)
(Oscar have artifacts that can reduce [Zero Volume 6, Chapter 1] enemy stats)
(Oscar wires are now enchanted with Refraction and Perception Inhibitor, so even Apostles have a hard time noticing them [Zero Volume 6, Chapter 1]. They also have spatial magic to make impossible to get back out after be entangled in them)
(After Lyutillis had mastered evolution magic, he’d added the ability to analyze all information [Zero Volume 6, Chapter 1] he saw to his glasses with her help)
(Oscar Shadow Knights now are able to protect Oscar completely autonomously [Zero Volume 6, Chapter 1], his Dance of a Hundred Blades are able to do the same)

This would go along with the Metal Slime defense that all Liberators now have.
(Oscar have analyzed and recreated [Zero Volume 6, Chapter 1] Apostles Disintegration magic)
(Oscar glasses can now fire a hyper-focused sunlight ray [Zero Volume 6, Chapter 1] of destructive power)
Dance of a Hundred Blades: Special blades that are enchanted with autonomous flight magic, spatial magic, and the ability to cut through mana.

Disintegration Gauntlets: A pair of gauntlets that Oscar enchanted with the Disintegration magic of Apostles and who can fire beams of disintegration.

Toy Box: His ultimate domain creation skill. Consist of turning a entire room in a deathly artifact which shrink in size and have rotating blades in all sides, along with be entirely coated in disintegration magic. Additionally if somehow damaged, Oscar will instantly repaired the damage with transmutation.

Super Glasses Beam: Oscar’s new and improved beam which didn’t just blind, but its a destructive ray of pure power. The beam consist of hyper-focused sunlight that is gathered in a storage in Oscar’s glasses frames. He can only fire off this super beam once, but as it didn’t rely on magic it have the good point that can't be nulled with anti-magic measures.

Also note that his umbrella can now turn in a chainsaw [Zero Volume 6, Chapter 1].
As the greatest synergist who had ever lived until Hajime arrival, Oscar is able to analyze and recreate an opponent’s magic in the middle of combat [Zero Volume 6, Chapter 1]. At the age of six could fool an church artifact [Zero Volume 6, Bonus Chapter - How Status Plates Were Made] able to analyze the information of someone.

Naiz​

(His teleportation now is so smooth that the space around him don’t even warp and can severely injure Apostles [Zero Volume 6, Chapter 1] who previously were unaffected by his spatial magic. He also awakened the true essence of spatial magic, the power to manipulate boundaries, which is something above simple spatial manipulation and that let him create things like an infinite corridor that expand endlessly [Zero Volume 6, Chapter 1])
Infinite Corridor: A domain-creating spell that Naiz created after awaken the true nature of spatial magic, the power to manipulate boundaries. With this spell Naiz espand endlessly the space inside the are he select, which as result impide the things inside from completely crossing the corridor.

Meiru​

(Now that Meiru have awakened the true essence of restoration magic, which is magic that manipulate time, she is able to now see into the future or slow the flow of time [Zero Volume 6, Chapter 1] in a certain area)
(Meiru have a huge amount of sealstone dirt that she can launch against her enemy and restore it after covering them, traping the opponent in a massive sealstone boulder [Zero Volume 6, Chapter 1] that impide them from use magic)
Future Sight: Magic that use the true nature of restoration magic, which is the manipulation of time, to see into the future. With it Meiru normally see a few seconds in the future, but if she decide to use more mana she can see more into the future, however as a ancient magic spell it consume a lot of mana so Meiru usually restrict its consumption to a minimal.

Aerial Sea: A domain creating technique that consist in summon a sphere of water that was three hundred meters in diameter in the air, swallowing up enemies facing her and left them at the mercy of the extreme water pressure and high-speed currents within the sphere. Additionally, Meiru constantly use restoration magic to instantly regenerate the damage done to it and impide the objetive from escape. She showed this here.

Stagnation: A domain creating magic that consist in the creation of a fifty meters radius domain around Meiru in which the time of those she choose get slowed down. The slowing is so great that those comparable to her which can move at superhuman velocities, get slowed to a normal person’s walking speed, which at practical effects make them move at a snail’s pace in Meiru eyes. While initially the domain have a fifty meters radius, she can increase it's range.

Laus​

(Laus new mace is able to extend and bend [Zero Volume 6, Chapter 1] at his will)
(With Shadow Soul Laus can create clones of himself [Zero Volume 6, Chapter 1] that share his strength)
(His prosthetic arm can create a gravity field [Zero Volume 6, Chapter 1])
(His prosthetic arm can use a combination of mana shock waves and the Void Fissure spell [Zero Volume 6, Chapter 1] to obliterate his enemy innards. His mace is also enchanted [Zero Volume 6, Chapter 1] with spatial magic)
(Now the first stage of his Limit Break tripled his stats and he have ten total stages, with the tenth multiplying his stats by ten)
Black Mace: A mace artifact made personally by Oscar. As one of the weapons made by Oscar to one of his ancient magic user companions, the artifact is made with the hardest material in existence, futher enchanted with all the supporting magic that Oscar can use. The mace is also able to extend and bend at Laus will, and can use spatial magic.

Prosthetic Arm: An arm made by Oscar as one of his greatest creation with the intention to show his respect to Laus. The arm is made with the toughest material of the world and enchanted with all the supporting magic that Oscar can give, it also possess powerful abilities, like the creation of a gravity field around Laus, or the power to combine shock waves and the Void Fissure spell to obliterate the target innards.

Shadow Soul: An ability Laus unlocked upon coming to understand the true nature of spirit magic, which was that it affected the immaterial qualities of living creatures. It allowed Laus to make mana-based clones of himself that shared his base soul, making each clone as powerful as his main body. Laus seem to be able to at the very least create two clones.

Also add to his Limit Break that now he have ten stages, with the first one multiplying his stats by three while the last one multiply them by ten, increase his stats now also is easier and don't put as much burden on him as before.

Vandre​

(Can easily fire two hundred [Zero Volume 6, Chapter 1] arrows)
This is actually one of the few things in this vol that apply to previous key because this come from Vandre basic martial and magical skill, while his training and power up was completely focused in his metamorphosis magic.
(Can use an artifact to summon hundreds [Zero Volume 6, Chapter 1] of his monsters and clan members)
(The artifacts of Oscar are enchanted with magic to hone in [Zero Volume 6, Chapter 1] on enemies souls)
(His black swords have space-cutting [Zero Volume 6, Chapter 1] effects. His Monster House is a barrier in which everything inside get swallowed by spatial distortions and is send inside a Treasure Trove [Zero Volume 6, Chapter 1] filled with tens of thousands of monsters)
(Thanks to Lyutillis evolution magic now Uruluk gained the special magic Shock Wave Bellow that generate supersonic vibrations [Zero Volume 6, Chapter 1] that rip through his enemy innards)

Also add this to Uruluk description.
(Uruluk breath is hot enough to vaporize massive chunks of rock and turn an entire section of a mountainside in glass [Zero Volume 6, Chapter 1])
(Batlam have a portal inside him that he can use to send back attacks [Zero Volume 6, Chapter 1])
(After discovering that the true nature of his metamorphosis magic allowed him to manipulate organic matter, Vandre had settled in a final form that retain the characteristics of his dragon form while in a humanoid shape that can use at full his martial skills [Zero Volume 6, Chapter 1]. In this transformation he also fuse with the defensive artifact Oscar had made specifically for him with the hardest substance in the world, and as result of this fusion his body can resist Apostles disintegration)
(His black swords can absorp magic [Zero Volume 6, Chapter 1])
(The scales on Vandre’s wings were all mini enchanted blades. They had the effects of Oscar’s old magic sword series, and also had the ability to cut through mana)

Also, for some reason his base key don't have listed Bodily Weaponry with his dragon form, so to add it to his base.
Schnee Clan: Vandre can use an artifact made by Oscar to summon the members of his Schnee clan along with his monsters like wyverns or wolves. All of the monsters and Schnee members have Oscar artifacts which boast all their stats, healed their injuries over time, in the case of the Schnee members their weapons are also enchanted with every auxiliary magic effect known to man, including soul magic to hone in on enemies. The Schnee members are composed of only elites, they were mostly half-breeds possessing the physical toughness of beastmen that allowed them to withstand the strenuous aerial maneuvers of their wyverns, while also having the magical aptitude of demons. The scan of this is here [Zero Volume 6, Chapter 1].

Black Swords: A pair of massive black greatswords made with the thoughest materials, with the ability to cut through mana and space along with absorp magic. It also act a the locus of the Monster House. The swords can attach between them to create a staff-sword

Monster House: A domain-creating artifact which consist of trap the enemy in a barrier filled with spatial distortions that swallow everything. Essentially, Oscar had created a type of Treasure Trove with Vandre black sword as its locus. He’d filled the space inside that Treasure Trove with tens of thousands of monsters, which the enemy now need to fight. It have a limit of how much targets it can accept at once, though still is able to swallow a few hundreds enemies in one go.

Humanoid Dragon Form: A final form that Vandre choose in which he can take full advantage of his dragon characteristic while at the same time use his martial arts skills that he could only use as a human. In this transformation he also fuse with the defensive artifact Oscar had made specifically for him with the hardest substance in the world, and as result of this fusion his body can resist Apostles disintegration. The scales on Vandre’s wings were all mini enchanted blades with the effects of Oscar’s old magic sword series, and they also had the ability to cut through mana.

Invasive Ruin: A spell that consist of a mixture of Vandre and Batlam’s fluids that he use to coat his swords, and any wound he caused with the swords would cause those fluids to start invading the opponent’s body. The fluids themselves are a living, thinking chimera that can act on its own to destroy the enemy from the inside. If Vandre have time to concentrate and use metamorphosis magic to strengthen it, then it become far more powerful and dangerous. The scan of this is here [Zero Volume 6, Chapter 1], don't know if it would be some specific power or what, I also don't know what it mean that Apostles apparently are resistant to it.
(Was able to learn and improve [Zero Volume 6, Chapter 1] in middle of combat the sword techniques of Apostles, fusing them with his own skills in a combat style that was a pure work of art)

Lyutillis​

(Her Enchanted Treents can absorp mana [Zero Volume 6, Chapter 1])
(With Corea Seal Lyutillis can reduce the stats [Zero Volume 6, Chapter 1] of those she analyzed)
Forest Manifestor: A domain-creating spell that she can use with special seeds created with the ancient magic of her companions Liberators Oscar, Vandre and Laus. Different from Forest Revival this domain not only is bigger, with trees a hundred meters tall and that cover five hundred meters, but she can summon it from far away and the forest also possess the characteristics of the Pale Forest. Do to the special seeds used to create it Lyutillis can use her evolution magic to turn the trees in Enchanted Treants that possess an impressive physical abilities and the special magic Mana Absorption that let them absorp mana from the ground and use it for themselves, or give it to Lyutillis.

Core Seal: A spell that Lyutillis unlocked upon coming to understand the true nature of evolution magic, which was the ability to manipulate the fundamental information coded into things. With it Lyutillis can reduce the stats of her targets after analyze their information. Do to how infinitely more difficult is reduce the stats of something instead of increase it, against many enemies Lyutillis need some time to completely analyze her targets before use the spell, though this only seem to happen when she want to affect thousands of objetives and even then it only take some minutes.

Supreme Ascendence: The superior version of Limiter Removal, far increasing the perception along with a 5x stats increase, in this state the user can do abilities that normally they will be unable to do and the potency of their abilities also increase. The scan of her using Supreme Ascendence is here, I just wrote the description already used in Shizuku profile about Supreme Ascendence, though without that strong bad side since Lyutillis showed to use it just fine in the Liberators.

She now can also casually use her Unlimited Overdrive [Zero Volume 6, Chapter 1] while before she could only use it in one target focusing)
(Thanks to her prodigious skill is that Lyutillis can use evolution magic to reduce someone information, which was infinitely more difficult than increasing it [Zero Volume 6, Chapter 1], and she can even completely analyze thousands of objetives and reduce their information with just some minutes of focusing. Her ability to to analyze information is even better than [Zero Volume 6, Chapter 1] Oscar)

Don't know if she should be just genius or even extraordinary genius considering how she is above Oscar at analyzing information.

Badd​

(Despite fight against several millions of brainwashed humans who wanted to destroy them no matter what, Badd fought against them for hours without killing a single one do to the Liberators creed of not kill innocents, even until his final moment he followed his principles and died while standing defiantly [Zero Volume 6, Chapter 4])

I swear that this is by far the most painful part to write of the crt, I really hate Ehit.

Apostles​

Just another scan [Zero Volume 6, Chapter 1] to support the current teleportation.

General Additions​

(Metal Slime Batlam is an artifact that all Liberators have which automatically protect [Zero Volume 6, Chapter 1] the user) and (All the Liberators have artifacts that protect against debuffing magic [Zero Volume 6, Chapter 1])

Also, to add Metal Slime Batlam to all the Liberators standar equipment
(All the artifacts of the Liberators can directly cut through mana, which let them nullify even [Zero Volume 6, Chapter 1] Apostles disintegration)
(All the Liberators have artifacts called Summoning Circles which suck everyone nearby into it, teleporting the user to a specified location [Zero Volume 6, Chapter 1] within a few kilometers)
(All the Liberators have artifacts made by Oscar, and Oscar artifacts use spirit magic to hone in on enemies [Zero Volume 6, Chapter 1])

Oscar is similar to Hajime at this point, he can easily mass-produce artifacts with ancient magic.
(Do to the their creed, the Liberators will refuse to kill innocents no matter what, even if they themselves get hurt, or everything they love and hold dear is destroyed in front of them they will continue to follow their principles and absolutely not kill innocents)

Once again, I really hate Ehit.
(Telekinesis can't directly affect living beings with mana [Zero Volume 6, Chapter 1])
First let's remember what is currently accepted for ancient magic:
After the revision when I added this I saw more mentions of how ancient manipulate laws and concept (in vol 4 for example when Miledi mastered gravity magic it was said that she mastered the concept of gravity), so this things are consistent.

Now, though concept magic can only be attained after master all seven ancient magic, it doesn’t fall under any category of ancient magic and can't be analyzed, overcome or affected in any way with ancient magic, even by people able to use the essence of each ancient magic and who have mastered it like the Liberators, and can only be affected by other concept magic. There were no rules, no restrictions to what could be done with it. It truly was the ultimate type of magic. (All of this information come from knowledgeable and reliable sources, the last part is even info that come directly from the age of the gods)

I originally consulted with Elizhaa if given this information concept magic could be granted a possible concept manip type 1 and she said yes, so in principle this should be fine. Actually after reread the volume to make this crt I found a lot more things showing the absolute superiority of concept magic over ancient magic, so this should futher solidify the point, maybe it can even make it a solid thing instead of a possibly, though that depend on the knowledgeable staff.

Additionally to change the Limited part of the concept manip of ancient magic since originally it was there just for the simple purpose of somehow differenciate it from concept magic, but with this the difference would be pretty clear and thus is now unecessary, also to pass that last bit in the justification (the part about concept magic rewriting the laws of reality) to the the justification of concept magic itself.

Miscellaneous​

Basically change all the profiles so they follow this format, except the equipment section, that's only for Hajime because he have too many artifacts, though well Oscar probably also should get it since he also have a considerable number of artifacts.
This is simple, as we already commented various times in the past Kousuke should have listed memory manipulation along his stealth mastery, reason be because he natural presence is so thin that he not only is undetectable but people naturally forget him, this get stronger in each key like his stealth until the current point were even a super AI like Mother forget him, so the addition should be like this:
First key: Limited Memory Manipulation (Since birth had a thin shadow that make others forget him, this reached the point that even her mother often forgot that she needed to do things like picking him up from kindergarten [Arifureta Chapter 198], his shadow is thin even in digital data)
In second and third key is mentioned how this get stronger (since her thin shadow get even thinner. The scan in his third key already mention how even if you look directly at him you will forget him and how his stealth is in the level of erasure presence, but can be good to reinforce the point with this two things:
Third Key: (Even while wary and directly looking at him [Arifureta Chapter 217], people naturally forget his existence. Even Mother forgot about him [Arifureta Chapter 380] while she was wary of Hajime side)
This part is so simple, direct and minor that I don't think is even needed scans, though if people want them I can go for them.

Hajime: Monster of the Abyss (is called like this several times through all the history and is one of his most iconic titles), Demon God (a common title in the after stories, like the entire Sky Dragon World give him that tittle and people in other worlds have done the same).

Aiko: Goddess of Fertility and Victory (is how she is know in Tortus and there is an entire big religion calling her like that, technically speaking Hajime also should get his Sword of the Goddess title from this but that name is more niche so don't know if is fine to add).

Kaori: Angel of Kindness (like Aiko there is a big religion calling her like that).

Tio: Godzira (is how people in Earth call her after Myu arc), True Dragon (is how the people in the Sky Dragon World designated her).

Miledi: Ruler of Gravity (how the church and Apostles called her at the Haltina Republic War).

Oscar: Fake Gentleman with Evil Glasses (people all over Andika called him like that and the name was continued to be used sometimes outside of that arc), Maker of Artifacts (like Miledi case is how the chruch called him).

Naiz: Guardian of the Desert and Fairy of the Desert (both important titles that spread through the continent and caused all the events of the later half of vol 1, his current pic is even from the moment when he got embarassed from discover his fairy nickname), Master of Space (the same church situation from above).

Meiru: Saint of the Western Ocean (her title in Andika that spread through all the continent, which caused all the events of vol 2), Empress of Restoration (the same church situation from above).

Laus: Arbiter of Souls (Not only the church and Apostles called him this, but it was a title used by the public in general).

Lyutillis: Guardian of the Forest (a title used by the church and her nation).
This part is to revalute the information about apparitions to see if they indeed should be classified as abstract existences type 2 or 1 (the scans explaining their nature are here and here, with also this showing how normal people and things can't see nor affect them), and also see if do to Ehit connection with conception (info here) he should be granted a possible abstract existence. This would affect the npi of the characters and yaya no hidzuki profile.
Initially I honestly thought in add more things in this section, but I either forgot them or felt too lazy to add them so this is all.

Stats and Hax Scaling Blog​

So the blog with the values to which scale all the characters is done, at the end it also posted the scaling chain and layers for ancient magic that is the primary source of haxs in the verse. The stats part used the already existing scaling chains and just updated the values with all the recently approved calculations (like, I made nine new calcs for the verse), the only real new things are:
Previously the characters speed justification was coming from heavily upscaling an super early Kouki (like, the Kouki of the first 50 pages of vol 1, the Kouki that was fighting monsters for the first time) and was like this: 'At least Subsonic (Far superior to himself at the beginning of the series, when he could move faster than the eye can see)'

However, there are various feats from characters of this level dodging, blocking and/or counterattacking simultaneously against various arrows and even the specially crafted crossbows of the Haulia (which should be at least comparable to modern day crossbows that are 400 f/s or 121.92 m/s, this from the fact that they were made by Hajime who just at vol 1 was already able to create railguns in a cave, so is a reasonably assumption to say that their crossbows are at least as fast as modern ones), reason to why they should get upscaled to baseline Supersonic+ or 171.5 m/s.
Previously the characters speed justification was coming from Kaori, a healer, moving faster than light, and Shizuku who move faster than light and who can dodge a barriage of sunlight lasers, reason to why the characters were just vaguely FTL.

However, I thought in something good to use to get a specific value, and that is the fact that Kouki party Post-Schnee keys were able to fight Labyrinth level monsters, who thanks to a calculation we know that move at 14.23xFTL+, so it's possible to backscale their previous keys to half the value 7.11xFTL because we know that at the Post-Schnee keys they had a 2x amp in all stats thanks to the new equipment that Hajime made to them (is something which we already use in the profiles).
The AP of the Liberators first key (before this crt only key) come from enemies who are able to create storms, like for example the Leviathan who created a guerrilla storm with lightnings and powerful gales that become tornadoes, however currently we scale them to 2.40 Megatons (Low 7-B) but such value is for the weakest storm while the storm in the scans is a strong one that even created tornadoes, so they should scale to 14.19 Megatons (7-B) instead.
As you can see all of this new changes are things reasonables and with logic, which help to get more concrete values for the characters stats and make them more accurate.

Conclusion​

I'm a chad for make so many calc for the verse and update all the profiles in the verse.

With this the verse is in a great state so I will not make more crts for a time and if I made them it would be for small things (like for example next month a crt to add new imagenes to all profiles taking advantage of the anime adaptation of some Liberators).
 
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you're also a chad for doing another calc at a completely different series while doing this CRT

other than that, I agree with all of these
 
thanks for the hard work,please read everything
I agree with all
i think toy box work by analyzing the enemy power and use it against them that why OSCAR waited until he learn desintigration
This part is to revalute the information about apparitions to see if they indeed should be classified as abstract existences type 2 or 1 (the scans explaining their nature are here and here, with also this showing how normal people and things can't see nor affect them), and also see if do to Ehit connection with conception (info here) he should be granted a possible abstract existence. This would affect the npi of the characters and yaya no hidzuki profile.
both,I remember in the after story:
「Come to think of it there is something that I wanted to ask.」

While Kouki and Yue and others were all making a conflicted face from Myuu’s peculiarity and the director’s guts, Hajime’s gaze caught Aularodde.

Aularodde was searching underground for any remain of the King Tree no matter how slight while tilting her head 「Hm?」.

「Our Myuu is apparently attracting existences that are mysterious even in this earth.」

「You mean, legendary existences?」

「Yes. Thinking carefully, isn’t it strange? Even though this place is a treasury of conception, earth has no thought element that is necessary for their materialization.」

Hajime’s question was reasonable. Aularodde nodded in comprehension.

「There are two possibilities that come to mind.」

The first possibility was that the existences that were talked in legend weren’t just fantasy existences, but creatures that really existed in reality.

In other words they were similar existences like the devils. Devils are mythological existences that were talked in bible and the like, but they were actually otherworlders who really existed in another world called hell. Similar with that, if they were just a strange creature then they had no need for thought elements.

And then the other possibility was “the existences crossed from the fairy world before the king tree perished and they were surviving until now”.

「There is no thought element so if they die then that’s it for them. They can’t revive like in fairy world, but the conception of them itself exist. Without external factor affecting them, it’s possible for them to continue existing without going mad.」

「Now that you mention it, an onmyouji boom arrived just a little while ago.」chapter 402 abysslord chapter 3 prologue
also people can use concept magic like EHIT to transcend and become abstract entity , HAJIME become worshiped by demons and YUE worshiped by dragons( dracula mean son of the dracul or dragon,thats why she is the goddess not TIO)
also does concept manipulation type 1 give them reality warping or subjective reality?
Hajime and EHIt can literally resist CONCEPT TYPE 1
 
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I agree with all
i think toy box work by analyzing the enemy power and use it against them that why OSCAR waited until he learn desintigration

both,I remember in the after story:

also does concept manipulation type 1 give them reality warping or subjective reality?
Hajime and EHIt can literally resist CONCEPT TYPE 1
No, he only waited until he had apostles disintegration to use toy box because 1) That way they couldn't escape with their disintegration 2) That way he could naturally end inside a room to use toy box without the enemy suspecting anything 3) He was also waiting to find where was the core of the magic debuffing them and buffing the enemies.

From the reality warping page:
Conceptual manipulation is already classified as reality warping, even magic is classified as reality warping, so the characters already have it. Description of Subjetive Reality:
Subjective Reality is the power that allows the user to manipulate the boundary between reality and unreality. It allows the user to induce reality to what is fiction, fantasy or imaginary, bringing them into existence, as well as turning facts, entities and events into unreality, vanishing them as if they were a mere dream or illusion.
So based in this description the characters don't qualify, those who mastered spatial magic could get it do to what was said about those who master spatial magic can manipulate the boundary between reality and fantasy, however since they have never really show that ability we probably shouldn't give them it.
 
ok, i hope we see more in volume 13

Types​

for reality warping they are missing only
Quantum Manipulation which I think manipulate the reality on the lowest level quantum string and quantum foam
quantum manipulation is basically a scientific version of ancient magic
but its not impossible to see it in the future remember the after story contain SIENCEFICTION
 
question: does EHIT have empowerment ?
I mean he use conception or thought element and turn it into power the same with YUE
Do you think people from the church are blessed
 
question: does EHIT have empowerment ?
I mean he use conception or thought element and turn it into power the same with YUE
Do you think people from the church are blessed
He could get empowerment yes.
The only people who could be considered blessed are those apostleificated, so just Eri and Fried.
 
by the way it was mentioned that hajime and the rest became new legends in different world in the after story. do you think that conception will go to them or create a new apparitions
 
by the way it was mentioned that hajime and the rest became new legends in different world in the after story. do you think that conception will go to them or create a new apparitions
Please don't derail the crt, if you want to talk about that in the general thread ok, but this is complete derailment to this thread.
 
Information type 2 should at least be type since it is a major component of reality, but it is to the OP add if wanted.

If there are no inputs for some time, I think the CRT could be fine to apply since the changes look largely uncontroversial.
It was already said in the past thread how the info manip of evolution magic will be edited on the profiles to adjuste to the new types, I haven't done still simple because I want to apply everything in one go to make things easier.

Pegasus already said that he was beginning to read Zero vol 6 to help with the crt, I'm mainly waiting for him and later I could contact some other staff for input just in case.
 
does concept magic has resistance to analysis ?
do they need ancient magic to use concept magic ?
does that mean HAJIME and EHIT can resist type 1 concept ?
 
does concept magic has resistance to analysis ?
do they need ancient magic to use concept magic ?
does that mean HAJIME and EHIT can resist type 1 concept ?
While initially I thought to add resistance to information analysis to concept magic, at the end I didn't do that do to use it as a support to the Type 1 (because it prove that concept magic is so beyond the realm of ancient magic (Type 2) that it can't even be analyzed by this).

Yes, it's explicitly stated that concept magic need to master all the seven ancient magics before get it, and then make them reach a unfathomably higher level with a will that rewrite reality.

Yes, it mean that they resist it, along with Yue and Tio, likely even the other harem members do to have a equally powerful will as them but until they show directly to resist concept magic is probably better to wait until then to add the resistance to them.
 
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Yes, it's explicitly stated that concept magic need to master all the seven ancient magics before get it, and then make them reach a unfathomably higher level with a will that rewrite reality.
in Arifureta Illustration Book SS , hope elegy (the artist ) created the book that absorb people and make them live inside a fantasy until Hajime destroy it
that how they got immersion and plot manipulation , was type of concept was the book? because Im pretty sure it didn't use magic to activate and
was able to keep existing without the creator need like TIO ancestor's scale
in arifureta zero darrion kaus ( the first hero) was able to create a conceptual barrier even though he doesn't have ancient magic but can limitedly mimic them with his eyes, also his will and obsession to create the barrier was enough to reach conceptual level without having ancient magic

maybe the author means something else when he say:
interact with the seven fundamental rules of the universe
also it has been mentioned that you can convert will into energy
"Your Majesty, please tell us. What was the true nature of that multicolored barrier the first hero created with nothing but the force of will? What does it mean to convert your willpower into magic?"
also I think the reason Lyutillis wasn't able to analyse the barrier (even though she can analyse abstract information) is because the barrier is not a part of reality like space, time, matter, energy but just the materialization of someone's will into reality . which help with concept magic being type 1.

does concept magic have resistance or immunity to reality warping?

please think about this stuff until you found a proof
 
in Arifureta Illustration Book SS , hope elegy (the artist ) created the book that absorb people and make them live inside a fantasy until Hajime destroy it
that how they got immersion and plot manipulation , was type of concept was the book? because Im pretty sure it didn't use magic to activate and
was able to keep existing without the creator need like TIO ancestor's scale
in arifureta zero darrion kaus ( the first hero) was able to create a conceptual barrier even though he doesn't have ancient magic but can limitedly mimic them with his eyes, also his will and obsession to create the barrier was enough to reach conceptual level without having ancient magic

maybe the author means something else when he say:

also it has been mentioned that you can convert will into energy

also I think the reason Lyutillis wasn't able to analyse the barrier (even though she can analyse abstract information) is because the barrier is not a part of reality like space, time, matter, energy but just the materialization of someone's will into reality . which help with concept magic being type 1.

does concept magic have resistance or immunity to reality warping?

please think about this stuff until you found a proof
No, the book isn't concept magic, at all, to argue that it was concept magic it would have needed to be stated to be, we can't also assume ii was concept magic because that's quite literally impossible because we are blatantly tell how a necessary requisite to gain concept magic is master all seven ancient magics. And the reason why it exist without the creator (though the creator is very well alive at the time) is just simply because is an artifact, nothing more and nothing else.

Darrion situation is completely and utterly different, Darrion original magic was the ability to divide his soul and possess various people (which btw was spirit magic so literally don't know why you say he didn't had ancient magic), reason to why Ehit couldn't definitely kill originally, so with that type of power is easily to imagine how in the age of the gods (when ancient magic was significantly more common than at Zero era, by a lot) he possessed various individuals with different ancient magics which as result let him fulfill the requirement of need all seven ancient magic to use concept magic (a possibility strongly supported by how he lament the fact that the amount of Atavist, specially those with ancient magic, is exceedingly few in the Zero era and thus can't possess more vessels of good quality).

So all what you are saying in this part is pure headcannon, and I don't even know what you try to say with the Lyutillis part, I also don't understand at all why you say something like resistance or immunity to rw.
please make a profile for the vampire king, He is a badass next to BADD
This absolutely isn't the place for this, at all.


Seriously, I'm trying to be kind since you are a new user and all but please try to understand better how things work in the wiki and make coherents arguments with scans showing your claim, because you have be doing some things that shouldn't be done like derail crts and randomly try to add abilities without real logic behind.
 
I'm... not sure if that ancient magic hax scaling chain is acceptable at face value.

Is there a reason why it is?
 
I'm... not sure if that ancient magic hax scaling chain is acceptable at face value.

Is there a reason why it is?
Why isn't acceptable?

Because they are the layers showcased through all the series (main story, zero and the after stories) regarding ancient magic users and the potency of their ancient magic at each point.
 
Why isn't acceptable?

Because they are the layers showcased through all the series (main story, zero and the after stories) regarding ancient magic users and the potency of their ancient magic at each point.
I means what and where is the statement behind this, and what exactly is stated?

It seems similar to Tsuki ga, and we don't scale that verse's hax like that atm.
 
I means what and where is the statement behind this, and what exactly is stated?

It seems similar to Tsuki ga, and we don't scale that verse's hax like that atm.
statments and showings that Y ancient magic < X ancient magic.

No, as someone that have read both novels I can say for sure that is completely different to Tsuki Ga, here the amount of magic power you have don't matter to the potency of your hax (if that was the case then Yue would stomp almost everything with easy from vol 1, Miledi would be unstoppable with her infinite mana pool and the world tree avatars would be invincible with their infinite magic)
 
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