Apostles of God vs Marshadow (6-B Tournament)

[Kachon123]

It's time for the next round of speedster's 6-B tournament!

This time we have Apostles of God facing off against Marshadow.

State your argument, defend your side, and cast your votes! Good luck!

Apostles of God: 1 (Noneless21)

Marshadow:

Inconclusive:

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

So, um, what could Zenith do against the mind control of Apostles? It's one of their starting things and they have some layers (a few but still).

Once the above is answered and is posted what Zenith can do then I could talk about what Apostles are capable.

 

[DemonicDude]

Bump

 

[Sniper670]

So, um, what could Zenith do against the mind control of Apostles? It's one of their starting things and they have some layers (a few but still).

Once the above is answered and is posted what Zenith can do then I could talk about what Apostles are capable.

Nothing. But he should be able to evade with the help of precog. Sneak into her shadow, copy her powers, capabilities etc and gg

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Nothing. But he should be able to evade with the help of precog. Sneak into her shadow, copy her powers, capabilities etc and gg

To charm is only needed eye contact. With dark magic she could control shadows so not sure if that would be really effective. Don't really know how effective would be to copy her powers since they are basically ineffective against her, the mind manip (and dark magic in general) is resisted, the disintegration and any attack in general is countered with her disintegration or outright ignored even if she end damaged since she don't really show to feel pain, though do to curiosity how many powers/attacks can copy? Is in character? He spam that? Can copy biological based powers (this because the disintegration is a special magic, which mean that is a natural power of her body)?

 

[Sniper670]

Bro, there are better Pokémon to stomp this girl tho. Marshadow is the lowest of the low

Lmao. I give up

 

[Noneless21]

Yeah this is pretty much a stomp, most magic user at the verse can interact with the ghost, and the disintegration is literally magic...

Anyway, Apostle FRA

 

[Kachon123]

Counted.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

This is disintegrating a tower, not very strong. Marshadow would just dodge it or survive it

Marshadow can just lower her durability by half with an attack and ko

 

[Kachon123]

This is disintegrating a tower, not very strong. Marshadow would just dodge it or survive it

Marshadow can just lower her durability by half with an attack and ko

Is that a vote?

 

[Kachon123]

This is disintegrating a tower, not very strong. Marshadow would just dodge it or survive it

Marshadow can just lower her durability by half with an attack and ko

Question: Does Marshadow have any way to counter or defend against Apostles' mind manipulation?

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Question: Does Marshadow have any way to counter or defend against Apostles' mind manipulation?

How does the mindhax work and how fast is it?

 

[Kachon123]

How does the mindhax work and how fast is it?

I'm not sure. I don't know anything about Apostles. I'm just saying that you having brought up the other side's primary argument.

 

[Noneless21]

To charm is only needed eye contact. With dark magic she could control shadows so not sure if that would be really effective. Don't really know how effective would be to copy her powers since they are basically ineffective against her, the mind manip (and dark magic in general) is resisted, the disintegration and any attack in general is countered with her disintegration or outright ignored even if she end damaged since she don't really show to feel pain, though do to curiosity how many powers/attacks can copy? Is in character? He spam that? Can copy biological based powers (this because the disintegration is a special magic, which mean that is a natural power of her body)?

It's basically this

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

This is disintegrating a tower, not very strong. Marshadow would just dodge it or survive it

Marshadow can just lower her durability by half with an attack and ko

I'm not understanding what you try to say, why isn't strong? I mean, the attack just need to touch to disintegrate something, he obviously can dodge it since they are projectiles but why you think he would survive it? Specially since the disintegration ignore durability?

And how high is Marshadow AP? Based in the pokemon verse calcs the 6-B pokemons are 11.46 Tera, is that correct? Because the Apostles are 10.32 and half that is 5.16 which is far for one-shot or gravely injure them, she also can use light magic to remove the debuff so isn't like that point actually matter.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

I'm not understanding what you try to say, why isn't strong? I mean, the attack just need to touch to disintegrate something, he obviously can dodge it since they are projectiles but why you think he would survive it? Specially since the disintegration ignore durability?

And how high is Marshadow AP? Based in the pokemon verse calcs the 6-B pokemons are 11.46 Tera, is that correct? Because the Apostles are 10.32 and half that is 5.16 which is far for one-shot or gravely injure them, she also can use light magic to remove the debuff so isn't like that point actually matter.

Where does it say it ignores durability?

Yeah itd 11.46 but thats a casual attack without boosting it with other moves. Marshadow's full power attack is enough to send Pikachu flying who also scales to 11.46 teratons. His regular attacks do somewhat relative damage to that Z-move and can send Pikachu tumbling too (another example here). So I'd say he probably takes this if every attack would do more than enough damage to send the apostles flying

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Where does it say it ignores durability?

Yeah itd 11.46 but thats a casual attack without boosting it with other moves. Marshadow's full power attack is enough to send Pikachu flying who also scales to 11.46 teratons. His regular attacks do somewhat relative damage to that Z-move and can send Pikachu tumbling too (another example here). So I'd say he probably takes this if every attack would do more than enough damage to send the apostles flying

Ignores durability with Disintegration

They also show to be capable of easily destroy weapons and shields made from the toughest material in the world and that are capable of withstanding without problem attacks from other 7-B characters like Tio, Shia, Yue, Freid, etc. Similarly Apostles (the 7-B ones) have show to disintegrate a 6-B shield of Hajime. So far the only time they have show to actually have problems trying to disintegrate something was against Shia hammer and that's because the hammer is coated in a material that nullify/dissipate magic, and even then the dissintegration wasn't stopped just weakened/slowed. They also were capable to disintegrate the roots and core of the tree world Uralt (which in principle would be high end tier 6 or even tier 5 based in the fact that others branches of tree worlds like Lutria are tier 5 and even a super ultra weakened one is still tier 6), they had some problems however because the roots had the same properties as Shia hammer, but even with that Uralt ended in a critically wounded state.

Also, with haxs like deconstruction isn't assumed, unless show otherwise, that they ignore durability? Because I'm pretty sure that that is how it always have be treated.


In the clip Pikachu lightning was clashing equally some time against Marshadow until the latter reached Pikachu and hit him in the face, in the second one Pikachu was able to trade three attacks without problem against Marshadow and was only send back some distance because Marshadow hit him in the stomach, in neither of them Marshadow looks really casual, also if one-shots in verse don't really apply in versus threads I doubt a send back attack in verse would apply the same in a versus thread, specially when the difference between the two values is minimal (11.46 vs 10.32). Also you know that they can not only attack from distance but can use basic martial arts to redirect the force of attacks or dissipate part of it right? And this without even considering the fact that a single touch can dissintegrate whatever they touch since the swords can be coated in disintegration.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Bump

 

[Arceus0x]

tis a stomp in favor of AoG. Marshadow gets touched once and he is dead, probably not gonna be able to kill AoG faster than he gets disintegrated.
Overall probably a stomp.

 

[Kachon123]

Apostles can move on then since no one can refute thr points.