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Adult Sasuke Vs Six Paths Madara

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Well, some say that Madara can win against Sasuke, others don't think so lol

I'm a big fan of Naruto, so I really want to see what this wiki thinks about this

- Both 5-B and at peak

- Speed equalized if it needs to be

- Both in character

- Fight starts with 100 meters between them


Sasuke: 4 (Astral, M3X, Kid and Caleb)

Madara: 1 (Dzhindzholia, unsure about Ker)

Inconclusive: 0
 
No, no, I was saying, that I'm open to arguments.

Well, I don't really see, how this battle would pay out at the beggining, or even in character, besides maybe Infinite Tsukuyomi from Madara. Limbo would be a trouble, even if Sasuke can see and hit them. Don't know, can Madara summon anyone in this form? He does have more expirience and smarter. And, even if Sasuke can somehow defeat him, Madara can use Izanagi to catch Sasuke off guard. Sasuke just doesn't have that much abilities, that Madara does not.
 
Sasuke resisted the Mugen Tsukuyomi in the war, didn't he ?

Naruto shadow clones can fight Limbo on equal grounds so I believe Sasuke should be capable aswell, and I guess he have the AP when adult/new era ?

What I don't understand is why Sasuke have all those paths if he didn't used them, like missiles and Rinnegan Summonings
 
Adult Sasuke? Peak? Sasuke one shots him literally. This is literally the equivalent of saying who is stronger between Kaguya agaisnt Naruto and Sasuke. Adult Sasuke scales way above Madara ƒÆÇ

Sasuke scales to 5B all around now lol. He scales to Karma Seal Jigen who is stronger than Momoshiki.

Sasuke in the war already had the answer to Madara powers. Now a more experienced Sasuke with way more jutsu and higher AP and speed is going up against Madara???
 
Dante Demon Killah said:
What I don't understand is why Sasuke have all those paths if he didn't used them, like missiles and Rinnegan Summonings
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Because it is a Rinnegan abilitie. Madara was even interested about Sasuke's Rinnegan than his own. Madara has the same abilities but never used them (Nagato used all of them tho, and it is Madara's eye).

I mean, asking why Sasuke didnt use those abilites is the same thing as ask why Madara didnt blitz and one shot all ninjas there. It is plot. And also, Sasuke's abilitie with Rinnegan was compared to Hagormo's. He can do the hardest thing but not the easiest one?
 
Being the same eye doesn't mean that both persons can use it in the same way. Nagato had years of training and battles with the Rinnegan, Madara only had it when he was about to die and then in the war, where he didn't had time to learn everything, he used Limbo, Tendou and black receivers, basically

Sasuke was compared with Hagoromo when ? When he was using the Bijus ? That doens't mean he can use all the paths when the situation when they were compared isn't even about them, it's was about mastery, not versatility

However, I remember that Kakashi and Guy had a theory of why Obito wasn't using all the paths, and it was because they are known techniques for them, and it would be a waste of chakra since they know how it works. Sasuke and Madara could be a similar case, even more now that Sasuke had decades with Rinnegan

So, we have 3 for Sasuke and 2 (?) for Madara
 
If you think you are correct, create a CRT then. There we can debate about this to end with this question. I am saying this to not derail the VS
 
Yeap, totally agree with you

You guys said that Sasuke scales higher than Madara, what is their scalling chain ?
 
Jigen > Momoshiki =/> Naruto and Sasuke > Kaguya > Madara = Casual 558zt. Also Madara literally exploded with Kaguya's chakra
 
Dante Demon Killah said:
Yeap, totally agree with you
You guys said that Sasuke scales higher than Madara, what is their scalling chain ?
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Adult Naruto>=Sasuke> Fused Momoshiki>Momoshiki and Kinshiki>Kaguya>3 Eyed Madara
 
We don't scale fused momo above naruto and sasuke, but equal or below him
 
Equal in in most ways definitely. Jigen right just proves that Sasuke is definitely 5B all around which this site wanted to downplay
 
Tony di bugalu said:
Might Path said:
I am also debated on this vs the entire wiki and win , Madara Stomp.
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Oh shit, everything was debunked, what can we do now?
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idc, its worthless

i really dont care about the wiki or if he get upgraded or not as iam already said this after I won in 1v4 debate .
 
the scaling chain just points to sasuke winning. fused momo is a greater threat than kaguya, and look how they handled him. and kaguya was greater than peak madara.
 
Ovrhide said:
the scaling chain just points to sasuke winning. fused momo is a greater threat than kaguya, and look how they handled him. and kaguya was greater than peak madara.
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Greater threat doesn't equal stronger. Also by how the manga is going it doesn't seem to at least that the quote was about Momo. Meaning there is someone else or the clan itself. Soon we will have a more clean picture. All is done by using that quote is making assumptions. No direct comparisons have been made.

Also, you forget here that this is Naruto/Boruto whatever. This not DB. Certain things in the verse make you strong and have made the characters stronger.
 
Greater threat doesn't equal stronger. Also by how the manga is going it doesn't seem to at least that the quote was about Momo. Meaning there is someone else or the clan itself. Soon we will have a more clean picture. All is done by using that quote is making assumptions. No direct comparisons have been made.
Also, you forget here that this is Naruto/Boruto whatever. This not DB. Certain things in the verse make you strong and have made the characters stronger.

The scroll was for Momo and Kin it was a warning for the pair of them this is literally stated in the manga and its even how Sasuke learned their names not to mention its directly stated Kaguya couldn't oppose them without an army so in this case greater threat would equate to stronger as it most often does
 
Dzhindzholia said:
Nor Naruto or Sasuke can defeat him 1v1.
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Naruto actually could potentially beat Madara 1 vs 1 with super tailed beast Rasenshuriken which effected Kaguya and caused her 10 tails to come out of her body since the Super TBB Rasenshuriken uses all tailed beasts chakra. 10 tails Madara is no exception and would find 100% SPSM adult Naruto more of a challengers since he only fought 50% Kurama + SPSM Naruto where areas adult version is 100% Kurama + SPSM + Years more of experience
 
The scroll was for Momo and Kin it was a warning for the pair of them this is literally stated in the manga and its even how Sasuke learned their names not to mention its directly stated Kaguya couldn't oppose them without an army so in this case greater threat would equate to stronger as it most often does

Not when hax comes into play. Momo's absorption is the perfect counter against Kaguya's style. Do we have other comparisons? The answer is no. Also Base Momo's showings against the Kages say a lot. There are so many that can not be considered PIS. Also not to mention that Sasuke was too worried when he sensed Kaguya's chakra unlike with Momo. He even questioned how such a person could exist.

As I said we will have a more clear picture in the next chapters.

@BleachNeedsToComeBack 50% more Kurama doesn't add much... Also Naruto has grown rusty. Madara has way more years of experience too.

@AstralKing also "Jigen" is not 5B. The Otsutsuki is. He is just the vessel. And we have seen him absorb chakra from the Juubi like creature.
 
What???? Lmao please make more sense bro?? Jigen is the body. How is he not 5B that's like saying Naruto is not 5B cause he is using Kurama power

Please understand where u are heading here
 
Not when hax comes into play. Momo's absorption is the perfect counter against Kaguya's style. Do we have other comparisons? The answer is no.

Momoshiki is also far faster and physically stronger than her by a mile and has better AP showings like knocking out SPSM Naruto in his Kurama Avatar with a Casual TBB

Also Base Momo's showings against the Kages say a lot.

The Kages were literally stated by Sasuke to be useful against Momoshiki and Kinshiki thats not an anti-feat its called power cliffing

There are so many that can not be considered PIS.

Again it's not PIS it's power cliffing

Also not to mention that Sasuke was too worried when he sensed Kaguya's chakra unlike with Momo. He even questioned how such a person could exist.

Teen Sasuke =/= Adult Sasuke, Sasuke was rather unfazed after reading a scroll Kaguya herself wrote stating that Momo and Kin were the greater threat she was prepping for in fact he was actually expecting it and stated his suspicions were proven correct lol it just means Adult Sasuke is stronger now and isn't exactly worried about Kaguya Level threats.
 
If we consider Fused Momo as being stronger than Kaguya, why then does Kaguya's rating have an "at least", while New Era Naruto, Sasuke, and Fused Momo doesn't?
 
AstralKing7 said:
What???? Lmao please make more sense bro?? Jigen is the body. How is he not 5B that's like saying Naruto is not 5B cause he is using Kurama power Please understand where u are heading here
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You make me laugh sometimes. Naruto has Six Paths Sage Mode. Of course he is 5B without Kurama. Also I will reverse the question back to you. Was Naruto the same Level when he was the vessel for Kurama before BM Or KCM? Of course not. Possessing hte body of another doesn't mean the body is the same level.

@ NotCensored Momoshiki is also far faster and physically stronger than her by a mile and has better AP showings like knocking out SPSM Naruto in his Kurama Avatar with a Casual TBB

Kaguya could destroy the chakra avatars casually too and without a TBB anyway. Momo is not physically stronger than her or faster.

Teen Sasuke =/= Adult Sasuke, Sasuke was rather unfazed after reading a scroll Kaguya herself wrote stating that Momo and Kin were the greater threat she was prepping for in fact he was actually expecting it and stated his suspicions were proven correct lol it just means Adult Sasuke is stronger now and isn't exactly worried about Kaguya Level threats.

Adult Sasuke is more calm and more skillful but even he would have made comparisons of power when he met Momo. He didn't.

All in all what I am trying to say is:

  • There are no direct comparisons and nobody should deny that.
  • Certain things make you stronger in Naruto. For example the Juubi, the Chakra Fruit, being an Otstsuki who absorbs chakra from worlds like "Jigen" who absorbed chakra from the Juubi creature. Training has a limit.
Anyway I will make another thread for discussion but the scaling chain as it goes for Kaguya is not like that.

Also even if we consider Sasuke "stronger", what are his counters for Limbos and Madara's Regen/Immortality?
 
????what??? It's Naruto a feats man. He Naruto is using Kurama a power he will scale. If Jigen is using Karma Seal he will scale and get the rating. Simple as that
 
Limbo? Regen?? Sasuke literally handles that with ease. He can literally BFR Madara or absorb his chakra or even seal him

Sasuke is stronger there is nothing to consider
 
Kaguya got her lights almost punched out by Naruto. She isn't physically stronger than anyone in Boruto. Kaguya for a moment couldn't over power Narutos chakra fist. Momo damn near strangled Kurama to death

Kaguya has only destroyed Susanno never Kurama
 
AstralKing7 said:
????what??? It's Naruto a feats man. He Naruto is using Kurama a power he will scale. If Jigen is using Karma Seal he will scale and get the rating. Simple as that
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Isshiki possessing Jigen is who gets the rating not the "normal" Jigen, if you get me...

AstralKing7 said:
Limbo? Regen?? Sasuke literally handles that with ease. He can literally BFR Madara or absorb his chakra or even seal him

Sasuke is stronger there is nothing to consider
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You downplay a lot here.

  • He can not seal him without the Sage's seals.
  • Madara absorbs chakra too.
  • Everything Sasuke knows Madara knows it too.
Naruto is not DB.

AstralKing7 said:
Kaguya got her lights almost punched out by Naruto. She isn't physically stronger than anyone in Boruto. Kaguya for a moment couldn't over power Narutos chakra fist. Momo damn near strangled Kurama to death

Kaguya has only destroyed Susanno never Kurama
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Kurama and PS were shown equal at VOTE. She would have destroyed Kurama avatar as easily. Kaguya didn't want to kill him back then if you remember or waste chakra. About Momo in which panel are referring?
 
....dude do u not know what cbibaku tensei is?? He doesn't need the sages seal lmao

So Madara absorbs chakra guess who absorbs chakra better and on the level of Hag? Sasuke

Sasuke stomps madara. Madara has never learned how to open dimensions with rinnegan.

Kaguya wanted to kill Naruto lmao what are u talking about? She literally thought she killed him with the AKABs when she dimension dumped him

Jigen key with Isshiki is called Otsutsuki transformation. It's still Jigen profile. So it's Jigen rating
 
astralking kaguya first wanted her chakra back not kill them https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFEfmqBW4AAYEuH?format=jpg&name=medium

if she was bloodlusted in beggining she would have killed naruto and sasuke when she appeared behind them and started to cry instead she choose to absorb their chakra.

so she wasnt going all out when she fought narutos chakra fist.

momoshiki also strangled 50% Kurama. remember momoshiki absorbed 50% ninetails chakra of naruto.before they fought. meaning momoshiki strangled a weakend kurama
 
That's anime only statement about 50 percent Kurama


Naruot punchhed Kaguyas lights out after she wanted to kill them. So it doesn't even matter anymore. They scale to her.

Also u don't know which punch I'm talking about.

Her appearing behind them bloodlusted doesn't mean she was going to one shot them. If she was bloodlusted she would have used hax to kill them which wouldn't effect the scaling in the first place
 
That's anime only statement about 50 percent Kurama

Still this doesnt matter since the anime revealed how much ninetails chakra Momoshiki absorbed.

Even if you go to manga and movie. Momoshiki was absorbing ninetails chakra from naruto for too long, since during that time Sasuke was talking with Boruto and kages and was making some plans.

so that 50% absorbed ninteails chakra was hinted.

also which punch are you talking about sent scan. Kaguya was suppressed against naruto and sasuke until chapter 684
 
I'm talking about when Naruto used steam release. Kaguya has stopped being casual. She didn't even care if Sasuke fell into lava and she left Sasuke in another dimension so she could kill Naruto
 
Kaguya most of the battle was just "lost" changing dimensions with no presented "struggle" whatsoever. She is the last character you ever want to downplay.

Naruto & Sasuke fought Momo together. And Kaguya too. Difference is that Naruto did the heavy lifting.

Since Madara was suppositely gaining power closer to Kaguya's (who is of the purest chakra being by eating the "fruit") and has the truth seeking balls (which nullifies anything sasuke can hit him with) and he can react to Hiraishin speeds.

I'm very aware Sasuke has good hax too. But Madara just has that much more raw power due to actually having all of the Bijuu in him (exception of Kurama)

So this battle is basically Sasuke fighting Niaruto.

And we all know Sasuke is nowhere near Naruto's level. And he emphasizes it many times that Naruto is the "man" to get the job done if no one else can.

Madara for these reasons.
 
Devils May Die said:
Kaguya most of the battle was just "lost" changing dimensions with no presented "struggle" whatsoever. She is the last character you ever want to downplay.

Naruto & Sasuke fought Momo together. And Kaguya too. Difference is that Naruto did the heavy lifting.

Since Madara was suppositely gaining power closer to Kaguya's (who is of the purest chakra being by eating the "fruit") and has the truth seeking balls (which nullifies anything sasuke can hit him with) and he can react to Hiraishin speeds.

I'm very aware Sasuke has good hax too. But Madara just has that much more raw power due to actually having all of the Bijuu in him (exception of Kurama)

So this battle is basically Sasuke fighting Niaruto.

And we all know Sasuke is nowhere near Naruto's level. And he emphasizes it many times that Naruto is the "man" to get the job done if no one else can.

Madara for these reasons.
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Boi, that's a load of nonsense.

Madara was gaining power closer to the Sage, not Kaguya. Truth Seeking Balls don't work on Sasuke, since he also has Six Paths Chakra. Madara can react To Minato's attack speed after he Hiraishin:d, not the teleportation itself.

Naruto fought Kaguya longer than Sasuke because he got BFR'd. Naruto and Sasuke displayed equally against Momoshiki.

Sasuke already blitzed Madara.

No, this battle isn't the same as Sasuke fighting Naruto. And Sasuke isn't "nowhere near" Naruto's level, their equals as adults. As teens, Naruto edges out by a slight margin.

Sasuke stomps Madara.
 
JohnHendrix212 said:
Devils May Die said:
Kaguya most of the battle was just "lost" changing dimensions with no presented "struggle" whatsoever. She is the last character you ever want to downplay.

Naruto & Sasuke fought Momo together. And Kaguya too. Difference is that Naruto did the heavy lifting.

Since Madara was suppositely gaining power closer to Kaguya's (who is of the purest chakra being by eating the "fruit") and has the truth seeking balls (which nullifies anything sasuke can hit him with) and he can react to Hiraishin speeds.

I'm very aware Sasuke has good hax too. But Madara just has that much more raw power due to actually having all of the Bijuu in him (exception of Kurama)

So this battle is basically Sasuke fighting Niaruto.

And we all know Sasuke is nowhere near Naruto's level. And he emphasizes it many times that Naruto is the "man" to get the job done if no one else can.

Madara for these reasons.
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Boi, that's a load of nonsense.
Madara was gaining power closer to the Sage, not Kaguya. Truth Seeking Balls don't work on Sasuke, since he also has Six Paths Chakra. Madara can react To Minato's attack speed after he Hiraishin:d, not the teleportation itself.

Naruto fought Kaguya longer than Sasuke because he got BFR'd. Naruto and Sasuke displayed equally against Momoshiki.

Sasuke already blitzed Madara.

No, this battle isn't the same as Sasuke fighting Naruto. And Sasuke isn't "nowhere near" Naruto's level, their equals as adults. As teens, Naruto edges out by a slight margin.

Sasuke stomps Madara.
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Sasuke already blitzed 1 rinnegan Madara. not 2 rinnegan 1 rinnesharingan madara
 
Dante Demon Killah said:
Being the same eye doesn't mean that both persons can use it in the same way. Nagato had years of training and battles with the Rinnegan, Madara only had it when he was about to die and then in the war, where he didn't had time to learn everything, he used Limbo, Tendou and black receivers, basically
However, I remember that Kakashi and Guy had a theory of why Obito wasn't using all the paths, and it was because they are known techniques for them, and it would be a waste of chakra since they know how it works. Sasuke and Madara could be a similar case, even more now that Sasuke had decades with Rinnegan
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As concerns the first paragraph...I believe it's revealed in Naruto Chapter 606 (according to the Naruto Fandom Wiki!) that Madara taught the Six Paths technique, along with numerous Uchiha kinjutsu and other such things, to Obito shortly before his death, who then taught it to Nagato after Yahiko was killed.

The second paragrah is correct to a degree. Sasuke has used Chibaku Tensei, Shinra Tensei, and chakra absorption numerous times since getting his Rinnegan eye--but it's the more esoteric ones, like the Human Path and Asura Path, that Sasuke has yet to display. The abilities of the Human Path are irrelevant, the Sharingan accomplishes the same thing via genjutsu without killing the person involved.
 
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