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Major EDIT : I found the comic. After such a long time... weeks to perhaps a month of searching not in vain ... YES .
Hello everyone. This is The 2nd Existential Seed / Minus the Child of Omnipotence [ Half of you don't remember this username, so i think it's healthy to remind you guys ] . I have this character i'd like to be in it, and was making a blog to make a "Mock" profile... However i'd like to get something down before that occurs. This is long, but it takes a while to explain the concept this one Series used .
As only some of you know, Job Burke only has a power feat in Strange Tales IV : The End of All That Exists. The implications in that one issue is immense, so i honestly wanted an entire blog just to explain it. He's definitely tier 1, i cannot stress that enough. The problem is i can only find marvunapp as a resource, whcih several debating continuities have used when lack of scans is used [ I'd love to show you, but i am STILL looking for it . I do not know how to access this comic , and any help would be appreciated in the long run ] .
Basically the Creator [ A retcon to TOAA's Creation Story, but he / she / it got retconned to TOAA ] wanted to destroy all of existence [ Whcih included many planes/realms of High 1-B or even 1-A nature around this timeframe : Eternity's Realm, Crossroads of Infinity , The literal infinite levels of infinity first introduced consistently from around that timeframe onwards , everything else that was introduced before it can be viewed as " All of creation " in this sense , which would even include Oblviion in a sense , as his first appeareance was in 1985, this book took place in 1998 , etc. ] and viewed it all as nothing more than a dream . " Everything from it's beginingness end, to the end of all things in creation " .
This sort of confirms for me that everything in MU was affected by the dream . They call him The Creator/God and the Be All / End All / The TRUE Dreamer of the Marvel Universe here in this particular storyline. It is one of the reasons why i say he is a "retcon", so IF we decided to give him/her/it a tier, it'd be identical in tier to Post-Retcon TOAA , NOT Pre-Retcon [ PLEASE don't get that confused ]. All of these were introduced in Strange Tales . it was confirmed all of existence/creation was being judged here , not just one universe or multiverse, so we cannot simply downgrade this to Low 2-C. So yeah, if we get into " All of existence " introduced in Marvel Universe even at that point, it is far more than Low 2-C at bare minimum, or even 2-A .
There are many confirmations of this. Each man of lineage, including Job Burke in this, was introduced that all of creation was nothing but a dream . BTW, the difference between a Lucid Dreamer and a Dream is literally between Presence and his Creation. Yeah... technically speaking It's THAT big.
Unfortunately, i am still looking for the part where it says " every plane of reality is destroyed, leaving an empty void " part, and Job Burke nearly defeating the Creator on panel if it wasn't for his childish ways, because it is in issues 3-4, and the one i received only has issues 1-2 .
Fortunately, the very creator of this comic gave the man who made the marvunapp permission to give to him the script of III and IV , basically making it a WoG script. So, " every plane of reality was affected " " Until a void was only left " . The Creator viewed all of that as a dream, and all the other Fallen Stars did. According to how it's worded and how all of creation in context was used [ Especialy considering the " End of All that Exists " is literally the title of this issue ... SO it's presumed everything that exists or did exist during that timeframe was affected/created by the Creator ] , it's presumed everything in Marvel was destroyed, so i believe viewing Eternity's Realm, debatably Oblivion [ Due to him appearing years before, and Creator acting as a retcon for TOAA in this particular comic ] , Crossroads of Infinity [ Which appeared in Strange Tales nad before the publishing of this series ] , all of the other Cosmic Multi-Abstracts , and many other planes within Marvel . Keep in mind in one comic , Dormammu went through the Nexus to reach Eternity's Realm in Strange Tales, proving it actually scales anyways.
Leaving a void woudl imply everything else in creation was completely erased by the affects of the Nexus. Meaning, this is what he meant by " All of creation " and not just one part of it , one multiverse or countless multiverse, but all of it supposedly .
Here is the reasoning : Job Burke & The Fallen Stars: At least High 1-B , possibly 1-A [ Viewed every plane of reality and all of creation in Strange Tales as nothing more than a mere Dream, which would include Eternity's Realm and everything else in Marvel Universe during and before that timeframe . Severely hurt the Creator, a being who should be far beyond the Dream of "All of Existence" of the Fallen Stars, and was considered to be a threat by him . ] . If you want to give him the entirety of it, they would be At least 1-A , likely Higher [ Viewed everything in MU as mere dream. Ted, supposedly a far weaker Fallen Star than Job due to the difference in threat both had , while Job was feared, Ted wasn't , maintained the MU just by believing it is a dream. ] .
Scaling wise, this doesn't scale to anyone else due to obvious reasons and offical rulings we have here. Technically the Fallen Stars are the strongest group in canon, well above ALL the abstracts , including True Oblivion even if we don't scale him directly to the feat ( Which we could/should ) .
Remember, according to Strange Tales IV , Job even viewed fricking Creator, who suposedly did everything else a similar way, as a dream and nearly defeated her. Let's remind ourselves that Overmonitor viewed everything as a speck, and was supposedly infinitely superior to all of creation. Job Burke thinks of the Creator as the dream, in the same way she views 1-A's as a dream. Despite me not putting Job Burke & The Fallen Stars as High 1-A for obvious reasons , it's more of a power feat than his... Considering the only other who has a similar based power like this, would be Azzy.
Sorry if that was stupidly long . I jsut wanted to get rid of any doubts about how grand this feat is . Is there any questions ? The marvunapp can be used because the author gave him those scripts. I already presented other needed evidence.
Hello everyone. This is The 2nd Existential Seed / Minus the Child of Omnipotence [ Half of you don't remember this username, so i think it's healthy to remind you guys ] . I have this character i'd like to be in it, and was making a blog to make a "Mock" profile... However i'd like to get something down before that occurs. This is long, but it takes a while to explain the concept this one Series used .
As only some of you know, Job Burke only has a power feat in Strange Tales IV : The End of All That Exists. The implications in that one issue is immense, so i honestly wanted an entire blog just to explain it. He's definitely tier 1, i cannot stress that enough. The problem is i can only find marvunapp as a resource, whcih several debating continuities have used when lack of scans is used [ I'd love to show you, but i am STILL looking for it . I do not know how to access this comic , and any help would be appreciated in the long run ] .
Basically the Creator [ A retcon to TOAA's Creation Story, but he / she / it got retconned to TOAA ] wanted to destroy all of existence [ Whcih included many planes/realms of High 1-B or even 1-A nature around this timeframe : Eternity's Realm, Crossroads of Infinity , The literal infinite levels of infinity first introduced consistently from around that timeframe onwards , everything else that was introduced before it can be viewed as " All of creation " in this sense , which would even include Oblviion in a sense , as his first appeareance was in 1985, this book took place in 1998 , etc. ] and viewed it all as nothing more than a dream . " Everything from it's beginingness end, to the end of all things in creation " .
This sort of confirms for me that everything in MU was affected by the dream . They call him The Creator/God and the Be All / End All / The TRUE Dreamer of the Marvel Universe here in this particular storyline. It is one of the reasons why i say he is a "retcon", so IF we decided to give him/her/it a tier, it'd be identical in tier to Post-Retcon TOAA , NOT Pre-Retcon [ PLEASE don't get that confused ]. All of these were introduced in Strange Tales . it was confirmed all of existence/creation was being judged here , not just one universe or multiverse, so we cannot simply downgrade this to Low 2-C. So yeah, if we get into " All of existence " introduced in Marvel Universe even at that point, it is far more than Low 2-C at bare minimum, or even 2-A .
There are many confirmations of this. Each man of lineage, including Job Burke in this, was introduced that all of creation was nothing but a dream . BTW, the difference between a Lucid Dreamer and a Dream is literally between Presence and his Creation. Yeah... technically speaking It's THAT big.
Unfortunately, i am still looking for the part where it says " every plane of reality is destroyed, leaving an empty void " part, and Job Burke nearly defeating the Creator on panel if it wasn't for his childish ways, because it is in issues 3-4, and the one i received only has issues 1-2 .
Fortunately, the very creator of this comic gave the man who made the marvunapp permission to give to him the script of III and IV , basically making it a WoG script. So, " every plane of reality was affected " " Until a void was only left " . The Creator viewed all of that as a dream, and all the other Fallen Stars did. According to how it's worded and how all of creation in context was used [ Especialy considering the " End of All that Exists " is literally the title of this issue ... SO it's presumed everything that exists or did exist during that timeframe was affected/created by the Creator ] , it's presumed everything in Marvel was destroyed, so i believe viewing Eternity's Realm, debatably Oblivion [ Due to him appearing years before, and Creator acting as a retcon for TOAA in this particular comic ] , Crossroads of Infinity [ Which appeared in Strange Tales nad before the publishing of this series ] , all of the other Cosmic Multi-Abstracts , and many other planes within Marvel . Keep in mind in one comic , Dormammu went through the Nexus to reach Eternity's Realm in Strange Tales, proving it actually scales anyways.
Leaving a void woudl imply everything else in creation was completely erased by the affects of the Nexus. Meaning, this is what he meant by " All of creation " and not just one part of it , one multiverse or countless multiverse, but all of it supposedly .
Here is the reasoning : Job Burke & The Fallen Stars: At least High 1-B , possibly 1-A [ Viewed every plane of reality and all of creation in Strange Tales as nothing more than a mere Dream, which would include Eternity's Realm and everything else in Marvel Universe during and before that timeframe . Severely hurt the Creator, a being who should be far beyond the Dream of "All of Existence" of the Fallen Stars, and was considered to be a threat by him . ] . If you want to give him the entirety of it, they would be At least 1-A , likely Higher [ Viewed everything in MU as mere dream. Ted, supposedly a far weaker Fallen Star than Job due to the difference in threat both had , while Job was feared, Ted wasn't , maintained the MU just by believing it is a dream. ] .
Scaling wise, this doesn't scale to anyone else due to obvious reasons and offical rulings we have here. Technically the Fallen Stars are the strongest group in canon, well above ALL the abstracts , including True Oblivion even if we don't scale him directly to the feat ( Which we could/should ) .
Remember, according to Strange Tales IV , Job even viewed fricking Creator, who suposedly did everything else a similar way, as a dream and nearly defeated her. Let's remind ourselves that Overmonitor viewed everything as a speck, and was supposedly infinitely superior to all of creation. Job Burke thinks of the Creator as the dream, in the same way she views 1-A's as a dream. Despite me not putting Job Burke & The Fallen Stars as High 1-A for obvious reasons , it's more of a power feat than his... Considering the only other who has a similar based power like this, would be Azzy.
Sorry if that was stupidly long . I jsut wanted to get rid of any doubts about how grand this feat is . Is there any questions ? The marvunapp can be used because the author gave him those scripts. I already presented other needed evidence.
