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Ability Addition: Crystal/Gem Manipulation

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should be pretty simple, I think.

Crystal Manipulation should get its own page. There are enough characters that utilize Crystals through their abilities, and a large amount of media generally considers it to be entirely separate from raw earth, or a combination of earth and something else like light.

Characters that come to mind with this ability include:
  • The Knight (Hollow Knight), through Crystal Dash
  • Guren (Naruto), through Crystal Release (This is a particularly notable example, because currently her "Crystal Manipulation" leads to a fuckin' powerlisting page
  • Rin Tohsaka and Luvia Edelfelt, through Jewel Magic (Which is a separate thing from earth magic entirely in the setting)
  • Sableye, Diancie, and other Pokemon with Power Gem
  • Earthbenders (Avatar) can bend Crystals as well as earth
  • Diamondhead (Ben 10)
  • Ganondorf (Zelda) can seal people in crystals
  • Mega Man (Classic) through Crystal Man and Jewel Man's weapons (In the former, Crystal is even considered a separate ability from an earth-type weapon within the same game)
  • InuYasha can manipulate and create diamonds
  • Any Kryptonite Users from DC
  • Any gems from Steven Universe

So there's definitely enough characters to warrant such a thing, and the ability has enough examples of being considered separate from earth enough to have its own page.
 
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Yeah I guess this makes sense, it's often distinct enough from just earth manipulation, just like metal manipulation, which also has a page of its own, despite just being a variation of earth manipulation as well.

So I agree
 
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Okay i meant to say Crystal/Gem, not CrystalGem, so that's lol
(You can edit the title of the OP by editing the OP itself)
Anyways, I'm neutral on this, but I'll remind that this would only cover manipulating crystals, and any "fancy" ability that comes from it like Light Manipulation would be added in a page separately, and so this isn't much different from Earth Manip, although it may be used often enought in many verses to deserve being a subpower.
 
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Another example is Princess Daisy from Mario gaining crystal powers in a few spinoffs.

But yeah def think this is worthy of It's own page cause not all crystal/gem manipulation users also can manipulate Earth too.
 
I was going to argue against this, but we have Metal Manipulation and Hellfire Manipulation which is a subset of two existing elemental powers already. I think this one is good so that we don't have to link Earth Manipulation to anyone who manipulates gems, otherwise new users who read those pages will think that they can control other aspects of the earth as well if they have Earth Manipulation just for controlling gems and crystals.
 
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I was going to argue against this, but we have Metal Manipulation and Hellfire Manipulation which is a subset of two existing elemental powers already. I think this one is good so that we don't have to link Earth Manipulation to anyone who manipulates gems, otherwise new users who read those pages will think that they can control other aspects of the earth as well if they have Earth Manipulation just for controlling gems and crystals.
We don't have Hellfire Manip anymore, it was redundant and most imporantly tried to generalize a power that doesn't necessarily have certain effects and was best just listed as Fire Manip plus whatever other respectively involved powers for each case.
 
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should be pretty simple, I think.

Crystal Manipulation should get its own page. There are enough characters that utilize Crystals through their abilities, and a large amount of media generally considers it to be entirely separate from raw earth, or a combination of earth and something else like light.

Characters that come to mind with this ability include:
  • The Knight (Hollow Knight), through Crystal Dash
  • Guren (Naruto), through Crystal Release (This is a particularly notable example, because currently her "Crystal Manipulation" leads to a fuckin' powerlisting page
  • Rin Tohsaka and Luvia Edelfelt, through Jewel Magic (Which is a separate thing from earth magic entirely in the setting)
  • Sableye, Diancie, and other Pokemon with Power Gem
  • Earthbenders (Avatar) can bend Crystals as well as earth
  • Diamondhead (Ben 10)
  • Ganondorf (Zelda) can seal people in crystals
  • Mega Man (Classic) through Crystal Man and Jewel Man's weapons (In the former, Crystal is even considered a separate ability from an earth-type weapon within the same game)
  • InuYasha can manipulate and create diamonds
  • Any Kryptonite Users from DC
  • Any gems from Steven Universe

So there's definitely enough characters to warrant such a thing, and the ability has enough examples of being considered separate from earth enough to have its own page.
I thought this was a Steven Universe CRT 😐
 

Antoniofer

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I would deem crystal manipulation as just earth manipulation; although, we also have metal and sand manipulation despite also being forms of earth manipulation, so guess I'm neutral.
 
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I would deem crystal manipulation as just earth manipulation; although, we also have metal and sand manipulation despite also being forms of earth manipulation, so guess I'm neutral.
That's pretty much the crux of it. Like i said in the OP, Crystals are treated as somewhat different from earth, just like how Metal and Sand are. And for that matter, just how Ice is treated as different from Water
 

KieranH10

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Like has been said already, this would fall under earth manip. But we do have metal and sand manipulation, I personally believe it's prominent enough and generally separated from straight up earth manipulation in fiction. So I can agree with this.
 

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Ability itself is fine, but what do we name it? If we're including diamonds crystal manip won't work and if we're including crystals, gem manip won't work. Crystal/gem manip also seems weird as a name
 

KieranH10

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Crystal Manipulation serves the purpose well imo. That's what most people consider such when referring to it as an ability, technicalities of what is "Crystalline" and not doesn't need to be considered for this imo.
 
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Personally, I think that as long as fiction treats it differently and characters can only specifically controls crystals/gems, this is fine. Earth Manipulation has a ton of variety in characters who can only specifically manipulate one form of Earth and this is one of the more prevalent ones.
 

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This seems like a subset of Earth Manip (much like other [Material Name] Manipulation abilities I've seen thrown around) but if people feel it is distinct enough I don't think there's active harm in having such a page.
 

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Crystal Manipulation serves the purpose well imo. That's what most people consider such when referring to it as an ability, technicalities of what is "Crystalline" and not doesn't need to be considered for this imo.
We would have to specify in the page that gems and diamonds are included for practical reasons though.
 

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I think that we should wait for a bit more staff input first.
 

Antvasima

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It seems like this can probably be applied then, but we need a draft page first, with the note that I wrote above included in it.
 

KieranH10

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I personally believe another image would be potentially better, as at first I didn't even see the gems being used (Granted that could be my crappy tired eyesight lmao)

Less important I also think that Prism Break and Flashwing would be good examples of users to note on the page, and would help further get the point of the power across.
 
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ok i second Guren's crystal release, i forget if its 2006 or ufotable's adaptation but Rin also has a nice showing of gem manip.
 
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i was reminiscing a scene where she kisses a red gem and it glows then she does a pose but that looks good aswell tbf anything ufotable touch is gold minus that lancer vs assassin cgi scene heh
 

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should be pretty simple, I think.

Crystal Manipulation should get its own page. There are enough characters that utilize Crystals through their abilities, and a large amount of media generally considers it to be entirely separate from raw earth, or a combination of earth and something else like light.

Characters that come to mind with this ability include:
  • The Knight (Hollow Knight), through Crystal Dash
  • Guren (Naruto), through Crystal Release (This is a particularly notable example, because currently her "Crystal Manipulation" leads to a fuckin' powerlisting page
  • Rin Tohsaka and Luvia Edelfelt, through Jewel Magic (Which is a separate thing from earth magic entirely in the setting)
  • Sableye, Diancie, and other Pokemon with Power Gem
  • Earthbenders (Avatar) can bend Crystals as well as earth
  • Diamondhead (Ben 10)
  • Ganondorf (Zelda) can seal people in crystals
  • Mega Man (Classic) through Crystal Man and Jewel Man's weapons (In the former, Crystal is even considered a separate ability from an earth-type weapon within the same game)
  • InuYasha can manipulate and create diamonds
  • Any Kryptonite Users from DC
  • Any gems from Steven Universe

So there's definitely enough characters to warrant such a thing, and the ability has enough examples of being considered separate from earth enough to have its own page.
I actually find myself agreeing with this, especially given the fact that much fiction treats crystals as separate from the classical Earth element and that a shit load of characters use it as a signature skill.
 

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A few minor issues:

Users of Kryptonite do not manipulate crystals. They just hold a radioactive substance that is dangerous to Superman. There used to be a Teen Titans character named Kole that had crystal manipulation though.

Steven Universe Gems do not manipulate crystals or gems. They are just made of them.

My note text should preferably be inserted:
"Note: Although the page title refers to crystals, for practical reasons, manipulation of gems and diamonds is also included as a part of this ability."
 

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How about this one?

 

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Okay. However, Zephyros is not feeling well at the moment. Would somebody else here who knows what he or she is doing be willing to improve on the current draft please?
 

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It looks good to me at least.

However, I googled if diamonds are a form of crystal, and it seems like they are, so I adjusted the note text accordingly.
 

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I handled it:

 
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