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A Modern Magician Fights A False Witch (Yakagi Suimei vs Avatar of Calamity; Strongest High 7-A)

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Since Suimei finally got his profile fixed, here it is.
 
So basic question which is gonna be asked with every mahou match up now, what stops rank disparity extinction?

This ability is a universal law that shuts down the abilities of anyone who encounters a magician, and it nulls type 2 concept hax too.

And that's not even getting into Suimei's arsenal.
 
Practically everyone on the verse also has baseline resistance to the law hax, Suimei who raises himself to a higher order with his magicka furnace bypasses this.
 
I don't see how that would even apply to countering the law hax, its not even like the law hax are opposing.
 
So AoC is sustained by the law, right? That’s what you said. That doesn’t mean that the abilities themselves are sustained by the law, specially the way rank disparity distinction works which is that it stops the manifestation of the abilities rather than shutting down the power power source.
 
Even if it got past the law hax, Sueimei can just make It's abilities not happen with phenomenon mixer, which is probability hax.
 
Suimei actually has a ton of power null methods. He can expose the opponent to a higher-order ego and therefore steal their lower-order ego which is a manifestation of the mana which leaves them powerless, he can suppress the activation of magic with his aura, he can dispel the magic, he can in weave the mysteries behind the spell behind the ability causing a recoil that damages the ethereal body, steal the “essence” of the ability, ect...
 
Can this Law stuffs overpowers UKG curse which is Type 2 NEP in nature? And what prevents AoC from copying his hax just like it did to Homura, who was granted powers by Madoka herself.

And Puella God Tier hax potency is NOT baseline.
 
Idk why you even need to interact when all the law does is shut down the manifestation of the phenomena rather than affect the individual, unless all the abilities have NEP which would indeed be a kek.

From what I gather the power mimicry comes from mind-reading or whatever, Suimei has resistance to interference with his astral body which is his mind and soul.
 
PhantomØ4 said:
Idk why you even need to interact when all the law does is shut down the manifestation of the phenomena rather than affect the individual, unless all the abilities have NEP which would indeed be a kek.

From what I gather the power mimicry comes from mind-reading or whatever, Suimei has resistance to interference with his astral body which is his mind and soul.
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The curse is literally Nonexistent on conceptual level, so the phenomena the curse cause would technically be nonexistent as well, something that his Law cannot intervene.

And Madoka Law also prevents all the Witches curse from manifesting in her new Multiverse and yet AoC was still be able to manifest.

Homura has that resistance too and she still get her power copied.

Oblivion_Of_The_Endless said:
He doesnt need to interact/overpower when he resists

Elaborate on the potency then
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No. He really need to interact with the curse in order to shut it down.

Not only Madoka.Law encompassed both 2-A Multiverse and Nonexistent Multiverse, she also did it by merely existing. And the Law can affects UKG who has Type 2 NEP.
 
Why would he need to shut it down when he has resistance?

Thats not potency anymore. The verse needs to treat the whole "muh big cosmology" as higher stuff, and lawhaxing via existing is a passive feat, not potency. This is hax we are talking about after all. Also, affecting a Type 2 NEP is a NPI feat
 
Oblivion_Of_The_Endless said:
Why would he need to shut it down when he has resistance?

Thats not potency anymore. The verse needs to treat the whole "muh big cosmology" as higher stuff, and lawhaxing via existing is a passive feat, not potency. This is hax we are talking about after all. Also, affecting a Type 2 NEP is a NPI feat
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Because his resistance didn't count on the curse that literally nonexistent. Not only that, UKG has multiple layered of resistances to Madoka Law, which is one of the reason why Madoka couldn't fully get rid of her. AoC is no different.

It is potency when Madoka Law directly changing the Multiverse as whole, not only that, a portion of UKG curse can literally destroys the Multiverse had Madoka doesn't exist. That is kinda the whole point of the entire Wraith Arc.

Affecting NEP type 2 is a potency feat the same as affecting mindless being with Mindhax.
 
What? You are literally trying to lawhax his existence, which he has resistance to. He just cant interact with the power normally, but if the power can interact with him then the resistance would kick in

Thats range

No, its a extra feat for the mindhax. We judge mindhax potency with numbers and higher-d stuff, after all
 
It's like negating type 5 immortality with concept death hax does not negate conceptual resistance to it.

If number of multiverses were to be used like that just because to prove potency Isekai Mahou would have the upper hand anyways, lol. There many 2-A multiverses, maybe infinite through context and this law scales above a higher-order plane that encompasses them all.

Just because your existence is a non-existent curse does not mean all of your abilities are, no (unless it is stated)? You can give shape to existent phenomena while being non-existent just as easily if this comes from an assumption.
 
Oblivion_Of_The_Endless said:
What? You are literally trying to lawhax his existence, which he has resistance to. He just cant interact with the power normally, but if the power can interact with him then the resistance would kick in

Thats range

No, its a extra feat for the mindhax. We judge mindhax potency with numbers and higher-d stuff, after all
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Ahhh, I see the problem here.

You're mistaking AoC Curse will lawhax him. Its curse will Stole and Copy his power as well as corrupted him. And before you said he has resistance, Homura has that too and she still get her power stolen and copied.

Extra feat that makes the mindhax is more potent than your regular mindhax. But maybe mindhax isn't the best example, so I'm gonna uses EE that only affects Body and the one that also affects mind and soul. The latter is obviously more potent due not only because of NPI but it is generally more powerful. It was even stated in the EE page here: "Powerful enough" uses of this ability can even erase the mind and soul, if not more fundamental aspects of one's existence, such as concepts.

PhantomØ4 said:
It's like negating type 5 immortality with concept death hax does not negate conceptual resistance to it.

If number of multiverses were to be used like that just because to prove potency Isekai Mahou would have the upper hand anyways, lol. There many 2-A multiverses, maybe infinite through context and this law scales above a higher-order plane that encompasses them all.

Just because your existence is a non-existent curse does not mean all of your abilities are, no (unless it is stated)? You can give shape to existent phenomena while being non-existent just as easily if this comes from an assumption.
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False equivalence. Being Type 5 Immortality doesn't make you NEP type 2, it only means Death Manip is useless to you. Type 5 doesn't makes you immune to concept manip, that is NEP type 2 due you're lacking any "concept" to begin with.

Puella Multiverse is also Infinite in number due to Homuras Time Travel Shenanigans and the fact every "actions" gave birth to a new timeline, even something as insignificant as kicking a pebble create an entirely new timeline.

But it is stated that way, so UKG curse is literally nonexistent in nature as well as the effects came from it.
 
Maybe Im missing something but AoC doesnt have neither of those powers in the profile

Edit: Ok I found it

Nah, the mindhax page says that the potency is measured by numbers or resistance neg. Affecting NEP is just a versatility feat if we are talking about mindhax. It doesnt matter anyway since thats unrelated and not how lawhax potency works to begin with. Different powers with different mechanics.
 
PhantomØ4 said:
Idk why you even need to interact when all the law does is shut down the manifestation of the phenomena rather than affect the individual, unless all the abilities have NEP which would indeed be a kek.
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This quote explains on how Yakagi Law hax does (if it's correct).

This ain't gonna do jack if it can't even interact with the curse to begin with. And moreover said curse resisted more powerful Law hax before.
 
Beast_Zero_Gudako said:
Puella Multiverse is also Infinite in number due to Homuras Time Travel Shenanigans and the fact every "actions" gave birth to a new timeline, even something as insignificant as kicking a pebble create an entirely new timeline.
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Isekai Mahou has that, that’s one standard multiverse based on parallel world theory diverging from one “master world”. It goes beyond that where there’s already countless master worlds that all diverge into infinity by parallel world theory each.

How good is Homura’s mind hax resistance?

Suimei also has his Fate Hax which comes from the source which is the multiverse I explained < Astral Plane < The Source and as the origin of all concepts in the astral plane also qualifies for non-existenace.
 
PhantomØ4 said:
Isekai Mahou has that, that’s one standard multiverse based on parallel world theory diverging from one “master world”. It goes beyond that where there’s already countless master worlds that all diverge into infinity by parallel world theory each.

How good is Homura’s mind hax resistance?

Suimei also has his Fate Hax which comes from the source which is the multiverse I explained < Astral Plane < The Source and as the origin of all concepts in the astral plane also qualifies for non-existenace.
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Each actions such as kicking a random pebble can give birth to a new timeline that will also branches each time an action was taken. There is also the fact when Homura from throughout Multiverse uses her time travel, it will creates a new timeline. So the Multiverse will keep branching infinitely.

This is only referred to the "World of Wiitches", there is also the "World of Wraith", the new Multiverse with the same properties as the old one. So Puella has more than one Infinite set of Multiverse. And Madoka sees these two set of Infinite Multiverse as nothing more than a record that she can plays frame by frame. Her existence is higher than these two set of Infinite Multiverse.

The resistance is good enough to shrug off mindhax from Ultimate Kriemhild Gretchen. What AoC uses was an inprovise version of Homura's own mindhax which was already stronger than UKG.

AoC got Type 4 Acausality from Homura, so Fate hax is useless. The those origin of all concepts thing only qualifies as Abstract Existence type 1, which was inferior to NEP type 2.
 
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