a Dream demon vs a demon that puts others to sleep

[1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void]

Sandman (Tower of Saviors)

Chauvin is a demon that, after practicing for hundreds of years, managed to gain the ability of projecting himself into the dreamlands also known as the space of dreams. Tier: Unknown Name: Chauvin Origin: Tower of Saviors Gender: Male Age: Unknown, was stated to have practiced for hundreds of...

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Bill Cipher

Bill Cipher is a triangular dream demon who exists in the Mind/Dreamscape and the true antagonist of Gravity Falls, secretly being responsible for many of the most important events of and leading up to the show. Years ago, Bill made contact with Stanford "Ford" Pines, posing as a muse who...

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Chauvin vs Bill Cipher (physical form)

unknown tiers are used

both of them are 1 meter apart

 

[1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void]

bump

 

[Bernkastelll]

Hmmm, Bill starts with transmutation, Chauvin profile doesnt shows that he resist it

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Chauvin start with?

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Chauvin start with?

Throwing sand I guess?

 

[1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void]

Throwing sand I guess?

yes, which leads to BFRing Bill's consciousness into the space of dreams.

 

[1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void]

bump

 

[1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void]

BUMP

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

How fast is bills transmutation?

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

How fast is bills transmutation?

Snaps his fingers and done

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Bill for reasons above.

 

[Bernkastelll]

How fast is bills transmutation?

A finger snap

 

[1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void]

isn't bill very arrogant in a fight? like if he fights an enemy, he wouldn't straight away just transmute them.

 

[Bernkastelll]

he wouldn't straight away just transmute them.

thats literally the main thing that he use exactly due being arrogant

 

[1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void]

thats literally the main thing that he use exactly due being arrogant

most of the time he would talk for a bit before he does it, like making a deal with certain individuals before he decides to use it. isnt it?

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

most of the time he would talk for a bit before he does it, like making a deal with certain individuals before he decides to use it. isnt it?

With people like the pines or people that have something he wants sure

But if not he goes snap

 

[Bernkastelll]

, like making a deal with certain individuals before he decides to use it. isnt it?

Why would he choose to make a deal if he already have his physical form in this battle?

 

[1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void]

Why would he choose to make a deal if he already have his physical form in this battle?

wouldn't he be interested in the plane of existence known as the dreamlands?

 

[Bernkastelll]

wouldn't he be interested in the plane of existence known as the dreamlands?

Nah, if he was interested in this kind of place, why would him want to scape from the mindscape, second dimension and nightmare realm?

he literally burned the second dimension

 

[Bernkastelll]

he literally burned the second dimension

 

[1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void]

Nah, if he was interested in this kind of place, why would him want to scape from the mindscape, second dimension and nightmare realm?

he literally burned the second dimension

because it is a plane of existence that exists above all existing dimensions.

 

[Bernkastelll]

because it is a plane of existence that exists above all existing dimensions.

He doesnt really need it, as Bill already is a threat to the entire gravity falls multiverse, which is 2-A

 

[1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void]

He doesnt really need it, as Bill already is a threat to the entire gravity falls multiverse, which is 2-A

well oof, but bill would probably get bfr'd to the space of dreams shortly after he transmutes chauvin

 

[Bernkastelll]

well oof, but bill would probably get bfr'd to the space of dreams shortly after he transmutes chauvin

Bill mind is lower dimensional, can chauvin affect it?

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Bill mind is lower dimensional, can chauvin affect it?

Yes obviously.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Yes obviously.

Why?

 

[Bernkastelll]

Also, now that I think, why would the consciousness BFR be usefull if Bill literally was from the world of dreams before? he can just manifest another physical form, like what he did

 

[1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void]

Also, now that I think, why would the consciousness BFR be usefull if Bill literally was from the world of dreams before? he can just manifest another physical form, like what he did

because the world of dreams and the space of dreams are completely different. one is on a lower dimensional scale compared to the other.

 

[Bernkastelll]

because the world of dreams and the space of dreams are completely different. one is on a lower dimensional scale compared to the other.

Bill Cipher has 2-A range with dimensional travel from his profile, he can just literally go back

 

[1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void]

Bill Cipher has 2-A range with dimensional travel from his profile, he can just literally go back

does that power come along when he no longer is in his 3d or 2d form?

 

[Bernkastelll]

does that power come along when he no longer is in his 3d or 2d form?

Wdym? his 2-A range comes from his 3-D version

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Why?

Becuse his mind is lower dimensional, it's not even 3d.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Becuse his mind is lower dimensional, it's not even 3d.

Yeah, thats why I asked if Chauvin can even affect it, 3-D beings usually can't mindhax 2-D beings, also

Bill Cipher has 2-A range with dimensional travel from his profile, he can just literally go back

 

[1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void]

Wdym? his 2-A range comes from his 3-D version

Yeah, thats why I asked if Chauvin can even affect it, 3-D beings usually can't mindhax 2-D beings, also

Chauvin doesn't have mindhax, he only BFR's an individual's consciousness with sleep manipulation. o if bill's powers only wok if he has a 3d or 2d body, then his mind would be permanently trapped in the space of dreams.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Chauvin doesn't have mindhax, he only BFR's an individual's consciousness with sleep manipulation. o if bill's powers only wok if he has a 3d or 2d body, then his mind would be permanently trapped in the space of dreams.

I mean that Bill can just come back, Bill original form is indeed just a consciousness, so, going back with dimensional travel and creating a new physical form to him wouldnt be a problem

 

[1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void]

I mean that Bill can just come back, Bill original form is indeed just a consciousness, so, going back with dimensional travel and creating a new physical form to him wouldnt be a problem

i thought he was originally a 2 dimensional dream demon, not some disembodied consciousness.

 

[Bernkastelll]

i thought he was originally a 2 dimensional dream demon, not some disembodied consciousness.

He was a 2 dimensional dream demon in a mental realm and lacks a physical form, its basically, all of that together, because after transcending to the third dimension, he gave a physical form to himself, which means that he didnt had it before

 

[1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void]

He was a 2 dimensional dream demon in a mental realm and lacks a physical form, its basically, all of that together

oof, did I just made a stomp match?