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2v2 8-B Tournament Semifinals: King Knight and Kamen Rider Ixa vs Ultimate Aggregor and Killua Zoldyck

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The semifinals of the 2v2 8-B tournament!

King Knight and Kamen Rider Ixa (@Shmooply and @Nicetoderp) vs Ultimate Aggregor and Killua Zoldyck (@DemonicDude and @GodlyCharmander).

Burst Mode Ixa will be used. If I need to specify any other keys that should be used, please tell me in the replies.

Killua's Nen Crush will be restricted (for very obvious reasons).

Speed is equalized.

Fight takes place in the Sports Festival Stadium.
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Knight and Ixa:

Aggregor and Killua: 1 (FRIMI)
 
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The semifinals of the 2v2 8-B tournament!

King Knight and Kamen Rider Ixa (@Shmooply and @Nicetoderp) vs Ultimate Aggregor and Killua Zoldyck (@DemonicDude and @GodlyCharmander).

Burst Mode Ixa will be used. If I need to specify any other keys that should be used, please tell me in the replies.

Killua's Nen Crush will be restricted (for very obvious reasons).

Speed is equalized.

Fight takes place in the Sports Festival Stadium.
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Knight and Ixa:

Aggregor and Killua:
Use the web archive version of Killua, it's before the revision.
 
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Well, what do Killua and Aggrego start with? Ixa probally gonna choose to fight Aggrego first because he look like some of vampire-monsters in his home universe.
 
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Well, what do Killua and Aggrego start with? Ixa probally gonna choose to fight Aggrego first because he look like some of vampire-monsters in his home universe.
Aggregor will start with Electrcity to Paralyze, Telekensis, Radiation blasts and his wincon would be this I'll let Charmander give us Killua start who bascially uses speed blitz and Electricity.
 
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Well, what do Killua and Aggrego start with? Ixa probally gonna choose to fight Aggrego first because he look like some of vampire-monsters in his home universe.
Killua usually evaluates the situation and his opponents from afar before making a move, so he would likely wait for some of the opponents to make their moves first. Otherwise, he can tell how strong his enemies are by eyeballing alone, so he'd likely watch over the one he has the better match up is.
 
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Team Ixa-Knight's AP
Ixa: 47 Tons
King Knight: 23.5 Tons

Team Ultimate Assassin's AP

Killua: considerably above 22.13 Tons
Aggregor: ~25 Tons


Did I get this right?
 
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So Ixa already resists radiation. Does Aggregor’s paralysis bypass Ixa’s armor?

Ixa starts off with his gun, with each bullet being able to disperse into hundreds on more bullets, each of which will steal away at his life force to weaken him as well as attack his soul. To much damage would erase the soul entirely. If he’s being pushed too much, Ixa could also go with the Sol Flasher to blind and stun Aggregor.
 
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I need to know King Knight's lead
Basically what Random said. KK usually leads with shoulder bashes or the scepter, both of which give him good mobility options. He immediately bounces off his enemy everytime he shoulder bashes them, and he can reach ridiculous distances with the scepter. Besides that, it's in-character for him to spam Horns of Heralding, which is his go-to danmaku move. It's not that bad, he just surrounds the entire area in confetti that damages anyone that comes into contact with them.
stuff Aggregor uses here
Ixa resists radiation hax and has an AP advantange (though Aggregor seems to have better dura than AP instead, so there's that), and we've already established that Ixa will try to focus him more than Killua, which will be an even bigger problem. It looks like his electricity stuff is projectile-based as well, so it wouldn't be that effective either since he is fighting a super sentai on anabolic steroids and a guy that can somehow do ballerina tricks mid-air while clad in plate armour. At least he'll still be able to take out King Knight with his telekinesis because of the LS advantage.

if killua and aggregor get to have a cool team name then i hereby declare that the name of king knight and ixas team will be wannabe knights :vvv
 
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Basically what Random said. KK usually leads with shoulder bashes or the scepter, both of which give him good mobility options. He immediately bounces off his enemy everytime he shoulder bashes them, and he can reach ridiculous distances with the scepter. Besides that, it's in-character for him to spam Horns of Heralding, which is his go-to danmaku move. It's not that bad, he just surrounds the entire area in confetti that damages anyone that comes into contact with them.
Killua will likely focus on King Knight as he is the weaker one on the team, and one who Killua believes he can beat. (King Knight is not that much stronger than a random Chimera)


Shoulder Bashes are not really a good idea, Killua is not one to take easily dodgeble stuff. In response to that, or the Danmaku, Killua could use his ridiculous skill/acrobatics to dodge, or he could also use his Yo-Yos to deflect the confetti by doing this.

Either way, the Danmaku is not a problem. Killua would likely advance after seeing the confetti.

I'd like to know the range of that scepter.
 
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Yea, he obviously gets wrecked by Killua's acrobatic stuff and skill. As for the scepter stuff, as long as there isn't an obstacle in his way (like, y'know, a wall), he can cross as many distances as he wants. As for the range of his temporary stun thing, I couldn't find any good footage of him stunning Shovel Knight from a far away spot, but he does shake his boss arena when he performs it so there's that.
 

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He wouldn't know to target king knight even then king knight is a skilled fighter he will use his rats as a distraction or to fly away to heal, or start testing relics like gyro boots or lances
 
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He wouldn't know to target king knight even then king knight is a skilled fighter he will use his rats as a distraction or to fly away to heal, or start testing relics like gyro boots or lances
Killua can tell one's strength by eyeballing alone. I vaguely remember him doing so even before Nen, and even with Netero and Morel, even though they weren't showing their Ren. (And Power Reading is on his profile)

Either way, he will focus on King Knight, while Ixa is likely focused on Aggregor, so it's basically two 1v1s.
 
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King Knight is a skilled fighter
Not this skilled though. Kill is kinda ridiculous in this department.
he will use his rats as a distraction or to fly away to heal, or start testing relics like gyro boots or lances
Distractions against someone with years of combat/assassination experience are not a reliable option imo. Flying away is a terrible option, Killua would simply Thunderbolt his ass on sight. I have no knowledge on the rest.
 

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Killua can tell one's strength by eyeballing alone. I vaguely remember he doing so even before Nen, and even with Netero and Morel, even though they weren't showing their Ren.

Either way, he will focus on King Knight, while Ixa is likely focused on Aggregor, so it's basically two 1v1s.
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Use the web archive version of Killua, it's before the revision.
And why are we avoiding revisions his tier is the same.
Distractions against someone with years of combat/assassination experience are not a reliable option imo. Flying away is a terrible option, Killua would simply Thunderbolt his ass on sight. I have no knowledge on the rest.
Listen the rats will likely blow him up if he ignores them and Fair I guess.
 
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What is ren
Ren makes smol aura > big aura.
And why are we avoiding revisions his tier is the same.
Gets upgraded from 8-B to Low 7-C
Yeah, same tier. His 8-B key was the last one. We're not really avoiding it for the sake of it, but because I entered the tournament as that Killua before the revision.
Listen the rats will likely blow him up if he ignores them and Fair I guess.
Never said he'd ignore them, I said it wouldn't work as a distraction. Killua is extremely smart in combat, he'd see a predictable distraction from miles away, and even if it does blows him up, it wouldn't do that much damage considering he no-sold a 22 ton explosion.
 
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Yea, he obviously gets wrecked by Killua's acrobatic stuff and skill. As for the scepter stuff, as long as there isn't an obstacle in his way (like, y'know, a wall), he can cross as many distances as he wants.
He just runs forward? But I want to know the range of the scepter itself, how far away from his body can he stick the thing?
As for the range of his temporary stun thing, I couldn't find any good footage of him stunning Shovel Knight from a far away spot, but he does shake his boss arena when he performs it so there's that.
Does he use that often? Or it takes some time into the battle?
 

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Not this skilled though. Kill is kinda ridiculous in this department.
Debatable he fought Plague and specter knight, specter knight beat shield knight when he was alive and before he got his new armament, shield knight is comparable to shovel knight without relics both being legendary knights and shovel knight didn't do anything after she was corrupted, plague knight was fought after percy and Plague knight beat groups of trained knights on multiple occasions while he likely trained a little since then the group of knights acknowledged them as a serious threat an would not have known about that training just how dangerous he was beforehand.
Gets upgraded from 8-B to Low 7-C
Yeah, same tier. His 8-B key was the last one. We're not really avoiding it for the sake of it, but because I entered the tournament as that Killua before the revision.
Apologize I paid my attention to the number of keys I say them in the same spot and thought that they were the same.
 
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Debatable he fought Plague and specter knight, specter knight beat shield knight when he was alive and before he got his new armament, shield knight is comparable to shovel knight without relics both being legendary knights and shovel knight didn't do anything after she was corrupted, plague knight was fought after percy and Plague knight beat groups of trained knights on multiple occasions while he likely trained a little since then the group of knights acknowledged them as a serious threat an would not have known about that training just how dangerous he was beforehand.
None of that even comes close to what I've shown, I don't see how that's debatable at all. Killua can also one shot everyone in a room with 1500 in a few minutes. Not really comparable.
 
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Not really run, he just dashes in the air. As for the "how far away from his body can he stick the thing?" stuff, we don't really know.
Oh well... What's stopping Killua from just... guarding his hand with Nen and grabbing? It's not quite the first time he deals with this.
He used it often in his battle with Shovel Knight, yea.
If Killua gets stunned once, he will learn how to avoid it. Can King Knight finish off Killua in one hit, by any chance?... Also, would this affect everyone in the battle? Friendly fire.
 

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Ixa wouldn't leave King's Knight by himself. Ixa is head strong but is also protective towards allies.
 
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Ixa wouldn't leave King's Knight by himself. Ixa is head strong but is also protective towards allies.
Would Ixa go for Aggregor or stay with King Knight INITIALLY? Ixa would only go for Knight if he was in trouble right? The hypothetical scenario hasn't really developed to the point where Ixa would come in to help.
 

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Would Ixa go for Aggregor or stay with King Knight INITIALLY? Ixa would only go for Knight if he was in trouble right? The hypothetical scenario hasn't really developed to the point where Ixa would come in to help.
If its a big stadium, Ixa would go for his gun and stay besides King's Knight. If King's Knight decides to go after someone close range then Ixa would, in my opinion, do his own thing. If King's Knight were to spam rats instead, I'd say Ixa would stick with him. Not too familiar with Aggregor but Ixa would prob go from him first like you guys said already. He would help if King's Knight is in trouble though.

I'd say from the clips and looking at profiles, both Killua and Aggregor could probably dodge the bullets coming at them which Ixa would recognize immediately and switch to blade mode or Ixa Knuckle.

Another thing to point out is the stun thing King's Knight has. Ixa can build off that if anyone gets hit by it since he would know of that move beforehand.

How well does Killua and Aggregor deal with Ixa's light?
 
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If its a big stadium, Ixa would go for his gun and stay besides King's Knight. If King's Knight decides to go after someone close range then Ixa would, in my opinion, do his own thing. If King's Knight were to spam rats instead, I'd say Ixa would stick with him. Not too familiar with Aggregor but Ixa would prob go from him first like you guys said already. He would help if King's Knight is in trouble though.

I'd say from the clips and looking at profiles, both Killua and Aggregor could probably dodge the bullets coming at them which Ixa would recognize immediately and switch to blade mode or Ixa Knuckle.

Another thing to point out is the stun thing King's Knight has. Ixa can build off that if anyone gets hit by it since he would know of that move beforehand.
How long does the stun last?
How well does Killua and Aggregor deal with Ixa's light?
How likely is he to use it?
 
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Literally just a second. It also pushes back anyone near him, so there's that as well.

He leads with it quite often, even at the start of a fight.
Given these factors... You'd think it wouldn't really be useful for King Knight, but maybe for Ixa to cause damage to one of them. But the move would become mostly unreliable due to both of the opponents being combat "geniuses" and learning about said move....


... Another question, can King Knight move while he is casting this ability?... That's very important.
 
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He can't change the direction he's moving when charging with the scepter, but he can stop his charge if he wants to. Could be wrong, I'll double check in a moment.
 

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They know the abilities of their partners beforehand. King Knight will know how Ixa's light works.
 
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in canon, does Ixa tend to use his flash ability when fighting with allies?
Cannot link the video now, currently on phone.
But yes, he does it whenever he can. Most of the time is either he's fighting alone, or when his partner is behind him.
He did it once when fighting along with normal human partner, as long as they stand behind him and doesnt look directly at Sol Flasher, even normal human would be okay.
 
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I’d want to say supernova-hot. But not really accepted that people scale to it rn. So 6000 Kelvin as a lowball.

I should also note that Aggregor can replenish his life-force by absorbing it from plant-life and that since the totality of one’s life-force = soul in Ben 10, this should also repair his soul damage I think. And Aggregor is immune to all life-force based attacks btw.
 
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Could anyone show me clips of Aggregor dodging attacks? Any attack that Ixa does with his gun would weaken him by a good bit. Two burst shots were capable of outright weakening a comparable Fangire to the point it became fodder
 
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Like Aggregor, he’s survived being in space before.
Ah Aggregor is like a walking nuclear reactor but contained in a suit designed to protect outsiders from radiation. So that might not cover if Aggregor tries hard.
Could anyone show me clips of Aggregor dodging attacks? Any attack that Ixa does with his gun would weaken him by a good bit. Two burst shots were capable of outright weakening a comparable Fangire to the point it became fodder
He might not need to dodge. He can perhaps heat up his body so the bullets get vaporized upon contact with it or turn into electricity or create a forcefield.
 
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Yeah, i have to recheck that one again, cus i dont remember Kiva riders have ever gone to space before (except when Wataru doing that moon kick)
The revisions was like a few months ago, my memory might be hazy, but I believe it was because Kiva survived in space as this would then be a universal residence of all Fangires. I think we agreed that Ixa should reasonably scale to this due to his suit being made to fight against the Fangires
 
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He might not need to dodge. He can perhaps heat up his body so the bullets get vaporized upon contact with it or turn into electricity or create a forcefield.
That might be problematic, although Ixa does have ways to get by this. He has Broken Fang, an ability which essentially either sends out a beam or barrier of electromagnetic energy to his opponents. Or his Garuru Saber, which he can use to launch an AoE sound wave. If Aggregor tries to get close, Ixa could use either of these attacks to push him back and deal damage.

Both attacks are very, VERY easily to pull off. Just point his Ixa Knuckle at his opponents to use the Broken Fang and press the back of his sword to use Garuru Saber
 
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Cannot link the video now, currently on phone.
But yes, he does it whenever he can. Most of the time is either he's fighting alone, or when his partner is behind him.
He did it once when fighting along with normal human partner, as long as they stand behind him and doesnt look directly at Sol Flasher, even normal human would be okay.
Welp, luckily, Killua doesn't need his eyes to fight thanks to feeling presences, so it wouldn't really affect him much.

But does Ixa lead with this? You'd think he'd try fighting one of them in a 2v2, likely Aggregor for reasons mentioned above.
 
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But does Ixa lead with this? You'd think he'd try fighting one of them in a 2v2, likely Aggregor for reasons mentioned above.
If he feel like he can finishes the enemies early, then he will do it, Ixa alway goes straight for the kills.
Once Ixa realize that his enemies are weaker than him, he will goes straight to his finisher, which is him using Sol Flasher to cause permanant blindness to the opponent, then finish them with his finisher (which is basically Ixa's AP focused on a single attack to one-shot enemies on the same as his level).

Even if opponent like Killua can fight without eyes sight, Sol Flasher is still a suprises element to cause the opponent to stunt for a second so that Ixa can one-shot him with his finisher then destroys his opponent's soul .
So yes, what deadly isnt the Sol Flasher, but the finisher that happen after it.
 
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What power source do Kamen Riders use anyways?
Kamen Riders uses different power source (some are electricity, some are biologically, some are demonic, some got them for being a freaking demi-god, ect...)

In Ixa's case, his power source is electricity (probally, still feel weird how electricity can destroys souls)
 
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And he can also use the latter’s telepathy to figure out his opponent’s next moves. I don’t remember if it required touch or not though.
 
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If he feel like he can finishes the enemies early, then he will do it, Ixa alway goes straight for the kills.
Once Ixa realize that his enemies are weaker than him, he will goes straight to his finisher, which is him using Sol Flasher to cause permanant blindness to the opponent, then finish them with his finisher (which is basically Ixa's AP focused on a single attack to one-shot enemies on the same as his level).

Even if opponent like Killua can fight without eyes sight, Sol Flasher is still a suprises element to cause the opponent to stunt for a second so that Ixa can one-shot him with his finisher then destroys his opponent's soul .
So yes, what deadly isnt the Sol Flasher, but the finisher that happen after it.
Stun's not on the profile.

Plus, it's not his opening move at all unless he has knowledge of his opponents lack of strength. King Knight doesn't seem the "team player" type, so I'd say he'd separate from Ixa to attack one of his opponents, thus, making the usage of this move harder as he won't do so to his ally
 
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Stun's not on the profile.

Plus, it's not his opening move at all unless he has knowledge of his opponents lack of strength. King Knight doesn't seem the "team player" type, so I'd say he'd separate from Ixa to attack one of his opponents, thus, making the usage of this move harder as he won't do so to his ally
It’s less of like, paralysis inducement and more of people just reeling back from getting blinded by a bright light

ixa whole fighting style is about trying to finish off his opponents a quickly as possible, which means he’d use this SoL flasher very quickly into the fight. Some times, he’s even used them like, 30 seconds into a fight
 
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It’s less of like, paralysis inducement and more of people just reeling back from getting blinded by a bright light.
Killua's not stupid in battle to let this happen, and for this to work, Ixa would have to be super close to the point where Killua's extrasensory perception won't catch on him.
Ixa whole fighting style is about trying to finish off his opponents a quickly as possible, which means he’d use this SoL flasher very quickly into the fight. Some times, he’s even used them like, 30 seconds into a fight
"30 seconds into the fight" is a LOT of fighting, my guy. He won't use it if it's going to endanger his ally, as their stance will likely be broken, and both will be separated with their respective opponents.
 
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You are right But king Knight would not be facing Ixa.
The light would definitely catch his attention, Ixa definitely wouldn't risk it given his morale. Plus, it seems he takes about 30 seconds into the battle to use that light, a lot can happen in a fight between two characters in this timeframe, a close quarters fight would definitely make King Knight not care about where he is facing.


Too many factors to consider, so I don't think SoL Flasher is a reliable argument.
 

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Fair but I have a question are we using normal or new game plus king Knight his max vigor is 100 while his max gold is 99999.
This is why it matters:
 
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Gamma radiation is light (whether NRG actually uses gamma radiation is another matter but he has SoL attack speed on his page so). And the Ultimatrix' scanning beam went right through P'andor, then again Ra'ad's electricity can beam struggle with it so 🤷‍♂️.
 
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Gamma radiation isn’t light, at least I don’t think it is. Gamma radiation and visible light are both electromagnetic waves but they’re both completely separate on the spectrum.
 
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Gamma radiation isn’t light, at least I don’t think it is. Gamma radiation and visible light are both electromagnetic waves but they’re both completely separate on the spectrum.
In physics, the term "light" may refer more broadly to electromagnetic radiation of any wavelength, whether visible or not.[4][5] In this sense, gamma rays, X-rays, microwaves and radio waves are also light.

Gamma rays are essentially shorter wavelength and thus higher energy than visible light.
 
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well there's a few kinds of radiation. gamma referring to the kind that emits photons. But both alpha and beta radiation don't work in terms of light, they're not electromagnetic radiation. While broadly you could probably make the claim that light is radiation so it could be absorbed, that would kind of be like saying that Ixa has radiation powers because he can create a powerful source of light. Conventionally speaking, we tend to separate the concepts
 
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Let me go over the hypothetical events:

  • Battle starts.
  • King Knight will go after one of the foes, or lead with stun.
  • Killua will go for Knight, so it'd turn into a 1v1.
  • Ixa is put in a position where he likely can't use SoL flasher without hurting his ally.

This is what's basically established based on their in-character personalities, correct?
 

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King knight would be willing to attack either of his opponents at any time switching or even trying to harm both.
 
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Aggregor can probably oneshot him with his electrical attacks by targeting his central nervous system or melt his armor with P'andor's heat.
 

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Aggregor can probably oneshot him with his electrical attacks by targeting his central nervous system or melt his armor with P'andor's heat.
If they can just turn off people's brain in character then how were they allow and how hot is that because mole knight who uses lava can't do that.
 
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If they can just turn off people's brain in character then how were they allow and how hot is that because mole knight who uses lava can't do that.
I mean it's not thought-based and it's more nervous damage than straight up turning people's brain off, but it is in-character, one of the first things he did in fact.
6000 Kelvin at least, but I got supernova hot as well if you want.
 

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I mean it's not thought-based and it's more nervous damage than straight up turning people's brain off, but it is in-character, one of the first things he did in fact.
6000 Kelvin at least, but I got supernova hot as well if you want.
I see electric works probably because we don't know the metal king knight wears.
Anyway 6000 k is 5726.85 c and lava is 700° to 1,250° Celsius so yeah that might work.
 
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King knight would be willing to attack either of his opponents at any time switching or even trying to harm both.
Aggregor would likely outskill him, same goes to Killua. Kill can abuse the man's metal and paralyze him easily, then proceed to kill him.

It seems Knight is likely to lose in a match up with either of them.
 

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Why are you acting like like electricity is a death sentence every player character in shovel knight fought the phantom striker who uses electricity including lightning.
 

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But we are using king knight's 8-B tier and here is the thing all metal conducts electricity to some degree yet he isn't instantly fried by lightning.
 
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i mean tbh I'm not so sure King Knight has any wincons on Killua, let alone even being able to land a hit at all. Really the only things I see going for Ixa & King Knight is the soul hax bullets which I'm still not entirely sure how effective they are and the stuns from King Knight which iirc doesn't affect characters in the air so is countered by flight and from the flash if there's still an argument going there
 
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