Son Goku vs Simon the Digger

[BluudyManikin777]

Son Goku (Dragon Ball Super) [Battle of Gods Saga] vs Simon the Digger (Episodes 17-26)

Rules:

• Speed Equalized
• Takes Place around Earth
• Goku starts in Super Saiyan (This is Goku at the point where the power of SSJG was absorbed into his base form)
• Simon is in Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann

A Saiyan Warrior: 7 (Rez, Orange, FluffyCreatureZ, Ss3micah, Popted2, Shizuka, BetterThanYou)
A Spiral Warrior:
The Anti-Spiral Intervenes:

 

[StrymULTRA]

Goku scaling chain is:

Current SSJG >>>>>> SSJ3 = Base x 400 >>> Base >>>>>> BoG SSJG > X2 Baseline 3-A

Ergo it is immensely above x800 baseline 3-A to the point of casually one-shot it.

Meanwhile SGGL is ""just"" times baseline, which is just x1.96 times above what Goku scales from.

However, I still vote the mecha, as it has better hax like BFR and Probability hax, way better LS, an immense Large Size and can close said gap with energy absorption.

 

[Rikimarox2]

What does Simon open with? Because anything from goku will one shot.

 

[StrymULTRA]

What does Simon open with? Because anything from goku will one shot.

Probability hax or BFR

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Couldn't SGGL just shoot Goku in the past with MMVC? I'm pretty sure Goku can't defend aginst that. SGGL could probably just punch goku out of space-time with BFR (Assuming he can do what AGL did)

SGGL fra and what I just stated

 

[BluudyManikin777]

Well, Probability Manipulation isn’t passive, and it’s only for the MVMC attack. But he does have passive Forcefield Creation, which basically makes him invulnerable, but Simon gets AP stomped in the beginning. I could definitely see Goku paralyzing the mecha, using Simon’s own energy against him, essentially putting down the forcefield

 

[The_Impress]

Guys don't finish this thread out of spite owo

 

[BluudyManikin777]

Guys don't finish this thread out of spite owo

This isn’t spite, both series are my top favs

 

[BluudyManikin777]

Or Simon could choose to use the MVMC’s probability altering shots. So this match goes to whoever does what first. Either Simon hits Goku everywhen, or Goku paralyzes and one shots with his signature move

 

[Rikimarox2]

Can the forcefield be broken with sheer AP? And is the probability stuff thought based?

If not, then both can beat the other. Goku can one shot, while Simon can BFR or another haxxy shit.

 

[BluudyManikin777]

Can the forcefield be broken with sheer AP? And is the probability stuff thought based?

No. Force fields in TTGL are shown to be able to block attacks several times more powerful than themselves. And no, the probability manipulation is only for a single attack, which is the Mega Vortex Maelstrom Cannon (the attack where Simon shoots beams throughout time)

 

[Rikimarox2]

Then how exactly can goku break the forcefield?

If he can't, it's a stomp.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Does Goku have anything to counter MMVC? Because SGGL can pretty much just shoot Goku in the past, and Goku doesn't have anything to defend against that, like he doesn't have acasaulty or anything like that

 

[BluudyManikin777]

Paralysis inducement, which could disrupt the force field

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Oh yeah, I don't think the pilots have resistance to glare?

 

[BluudyManikin777]

Oh yeah, I don't think the pilots have resistance to glare?

Yeah, they don’t, The Anti-Spiral paralyzed Simon

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

But AFAIK, goku's glare isn't something he starts with, so he likely won't use it

 

[Vietthai96]

What max AP the Forcefield could block, because it is NLF to assume that the Forcefield can block anything

 

[BluudyManikin777]

But AFAIK, goku's glare isn't something he starts with, so he likely won't use it

Son doesn’t glare to paralyze. He does it by using his ki. He did this first thing after transforming into SSJG against Broly

 

[StrymULTRA]

Paralysis inducement, which could disrupt the force field

Did it paralyze something that big tho

 

[BluudyManikin777]

What max AP the Forcefield could block, because it is NLF to assume that the Forcefield can block anything

The Ashtanga which are around SGGL’s level, threw multiple planets, and couldn’t damage SGGL. And Gurren Lagann in episode 3 blocked the Enki Sun Attack which is more powerful than the gunman that fired it, and Gurren Lagann was equal to that mecha, although not the beam attack

Did it paralyze something that big tho

Does the size of a character matter on if he can paralyze it?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

The Ashtanga which are around SGGL’s level, threw multiple planets, and couldn’t damage SGGL

SGGL has 3-A dura, of course 5-B objects can't harm it

 

[BluudyManikin777]

SGGL has 3-A dura, of course 5-B objects can't harm it

5-B objects being thrown with the strength of a 3-A

 

[Vietthai96]

5-B objects being thrown with the strength of a 3-A

I need a scaling chain, from baseline, not vague feat like that

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

5-B objects being thrown with the strength of a 3-A

That's still not anything tho. That's like saying an athlete throwing a small paper ball at another athlete would make the feat 10-A instead of 10-C

 

[BluudyManikin777]

I need a scaling chain, from baseline, not vague feat like that

The calc is on SGGL’s page. And the Ashtanga is powered by The Anti-Spiral, who believes in absolute despair, to fight at the same level of their opponent

 

[BluudyManikin777]

Anyways, Goku wouldn’t go full power off the bat on his opponent just like that

 

[N_Kardashev]

Simon seems more bloodlusted than Goku

Anyway, Goku's chances of hitting Simon is slim, and there's no use running or hiding as he can be hit no matter where and when

 

[Vietthai96]

Anyway, Goku's chances of hitting Simon is slim, and there's no use running or hiding as he can be hit no matter where and when

then why Goku chance of hitting is slim????????, and why he always get hit???

 

[StrymULTRA]

then why Goku chance of hitting is slim????????, and why he always get hit???

Probability hax

 

[BluudyManikin777]

Simon only has probability manipulation with one attack, which is the attack that travels time. Goku can still hit Simon as long as he can get the force field down

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

then why Goku chance of hitting is slim????????, and why he always get hit???

MMVC

 

[BluudyManikin777]

MMVC

Which takes preparation

 

[StrymULTRA]

SGGL can still absorb his attacks tho

 

[BluudyManikin777]

SGGL can still absorb his attacks tho

Of course, that is if we assume Goku starts with energy blasts, which he doesn’t. In SSJG, he starts with H2H or God Bind

 

[Loyd]

if simon is starting in his giant ass mecha goku most likely wil start with key blast lmao

 

[StrymULTRA]

^

 

[StrymULTRA]

It's more likely that SGGL absorbs his blasts, becomes stronger than him and then beats him.

 

[BluudyManikin777]

Goku has faced off against Android 19, who can also absorb blasts. He knows that it’s a bad idea to keep feeding energy to someone like that. Plus I don’t think he has ever started like that, suddenly because of planetary size

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I mean, does he have prior knowledge?