Darkrai vs Sonic

[sanicspood]

Darkrai

Darkrai (Japanese: ダークライ, Daakurai) is a Dark-type Mythical Pokémon. Cresselia is Darkrai's counterpart and rival, and together they form the Lunar Duo. Tier: 2-B, likely 2-A Name: Darkrai Origin: Pokémon Gender: Genderless Age: Unknown Classification: Mythical Pokémon, Nightmare Pokémon Powers...

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Sonic the Hedgehog (Modern)

Sonic the Hedgehog (ソニック・ザ・ヘッジホッグ, Sonikku za Hejjihoggu) is Sega's mascot and the eponymous protagonist of the Sonic the Hedgehog video game series. He is an anthropomorphic hedgehog born with the ability to run faster than at the speed of sound and beyond, hence his name, and possesses...

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2-C Super sonic is used vs 2-B darkrai (speed is equal)
both are blooodlusted

sonic: 7

darkrai:

incon:

 

[StrymULTRA]

Darkrai due of it starting right off with Sleep Hax while Sonic would try to fist fight the Pokémon, but without dealing any damage to it.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Isn't Dark Void thought based?

If so, then at least bloodlust Sonic so he can use his hax too, otherwise Darkrai stomps

 

[StrymULTRA]

Isn't Dark Void thought based?

Yep, Darkrai thinks and a black hole absorbs Sonic after appearing right under him, then leaves him on the battlefield back but asleep

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

So yeah, bloodlusting is a must since Darkrai stomps otherwise

 

[sanicspood]

there both bloodlusted now

 

[StrymULTRA]

What's Sonic 1st move as bloodlusted then

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

What's Sonic 1st move as bloodlusted then

Chaos Control, then Ring Time or Violet Void

Chaos Control is also thought based btw

 

[StrymULTRA]

Chaos Control, then Ring Time or Violet Void

Chaos Control is also thought based btw

Darkrai resist Time Stop. Next?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Darkrai resist Time Stop. Next?

Chaos Control stops in Time Characters that resists time stop, so that would stop him

 

[StrymULTRA]

Chaos Control stops in Time Characters that resists time stop, so that would stop him

Then incon, Darkrai either makes him sleep or Sonic Time Stops and turns it in a ring.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Then incon, Darkrai either makes him sleep or Sonic Time Stops and turns it in a ring.

Actually, Darkrai would need to first pull Sonic with the Black Hole before inducing the sleep hax,

So while it's all thought based, the actions for Darkrai are:

Dark Void -> Black Hole Dragging Sonic -> Sonic is asleep

While the actions for Sonic is:

Chaos Control -> Ring Time and Darkrai becomes a ring

So Sonic needs only 2 actions while Darkrai needs 3 actions, meaning Sonic would incap Darkrai faster with bloodlust

 

[StrymULTRA]

Actually, Darkrai would need to first pull Sonic with the Black Hole before inducing the sleep hax,

So while it's all thought based, the actions for Darkrai are:

Dark Void -> Black Hole Dragging Sonic -> Sonic is asleep

While the actions for Sonic is:

Chaos Control -> Ring Time and Darkrai becomes a ring

So Sonic needs only 2 actions while Darkrai needs 3 actions, meaning Sonic would incap Darkrai faster with bloodlust

You do know that Darkrai can literally just stare at him and one shot right?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

You do know that Darkrai can literally just stare at him and one shot right?

How would he do anything when time is stopped though?

He would only really have a chance to use Dark Void before Sonic stops him in time

 

[StrymULTRA]

How would he do anything when time is stopped though?

He would only really have a chance to use Dark Void before Sonic stops him in time

Staring is not even a movement tho.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Staring is not even a movement tho.

Staring does nothing except if they use something like Jiren's ki glares.

Darkrai also have no attacks that would even do such thing and will do Dark Void anyway.

Not to mention it'll have to cross the distance to Sonic, which is far slower than literally thinking

 

[StrymULTRA]

Staring does nothing except if they use something like Jiren's ki glares.

Darkrai also have no attacks that would even do such thing and will do Dark Void anyway.

Not to mention it'll have to cross the distance to Sonic, which is far slower than literally thinking

Shoot I remembered that it would need just a glare. I recall some glare-based moves tho, gonna show later

 

[StrymULTRA]

Ok we got Night Shade, which is done from glaring.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Ok we got Night Shade, which is done from glaring.

Cool, it still need to get to Sonic before it hits him, even if he activates it with a glare.

Also, since he's bloodlusted, he'll resort to his best move first, which is Dark Void

 

[StrymULTRA]

ok, so, Darkrai resists Transmutation due of being resistant to the Creation Trio abilities who has it, but not about Violet Void, aka it would depend on which move Sonic uses 1st between Violet and Ring right?

 

[JED]

ok, so, Darkrai resists Transmutation due of being resistant to the Creation Trio abilities who has it, but not about Violet Void, aka it would depend on which move Sonic uses 1st between Violet and Ring right?

What does Night Shade do?
(Also why do we always putting out of tier characters against each other nowadays?)

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Bloodlusting was completely unnecessary. Thought based hax isn't a stomp if both characters have wincons. Darkrai just gets to his faster.

 

[StrymULTRA]

What does Night Shade do?

The user glares and the opponent gets damage equal to the user’s power.

 

[The_Wright_Way]

For example, take this match, which is still on the profiles. Luke won via thought based hax but Kirby still had win conditions. He just lost the quick draw.

https://vsbattles.com/threads/luke-skywalker-vs-kirby-rematch.38169/

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Regardless, I'll wait for arguments for the match as it currently stands.

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Cool, it still need to get to Sonic before it hits him, even if he activates it with a glare.

Also, since he's bloodlusted, he'll resort to his best move first, which is Dark Void

Why is Dark Void is best move?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Why is Dark Void is best move?

Because is what Darkrai does IN CHARACTER, not while bloodlusted, where Night Shade is the move that kills an opponent like Sonic faster

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Because is what Darkrai does IN CHARACTER, not while bloodlusted, where Night Shade is the move that kills an opponent like Sonic faster

That.... isn't what I was asking.

I was asking why a bloodlusted Darkrai would use it Dark Void. You just told me why he wouldn't use it.

Regardless, how would he know that he'd need to use Night Shade to kill Sonic?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Regardless, how would he know that he'd need to use Night Shade to kill Sonic?

Bloodlusted = using the best offensive move at that situation

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Bloodlusted = using the best offensive move at that situation

How would he know that it's the best move for his situation?

 

[StrymULTRA]

How would he know that it's the best move for his situation?

I mean, is the fastest one, so

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Night Shade would still need to travel the distance to Sonic, and it certainly isn't faster than thought based hax

 

[StrymULTRA]

Night Shade would still need to travel the distance to Sonic, and it certainly isn't faster than thought based hax

As you can see from the animations I linked earlier, as the user glares, the opponent is hit, so its not affected from distance to travel

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

As you can see from the animations I linked earlier, as the user glares, the opponent is hit, so its not affected from distance to travel

Actually, there is a slight delay from the moment the move is activated to when the enemy is hit, which means it does need to travel distance to land

 

[StrymULTRA]

Actually, there is a slight delay from the moment the move is activated to when the enemy is hit, which means it does need to travel distance to land

In gen 1, 2 and 5 is not the case, as the user activates it, the opponent is affected

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

In gen 1, 2 and 5 is not the case, as the user activates it, the opponent is affected

Actually, only Gen 1 shows no delay.

Gen 2 and 5 does in fact show a delay in time, and since all others aside from Gen 1 do in fact show a delay, as well as the anime as well, the move actually does need to travel the distance, especially if all later portrayals show it this way

Also from 4km away, it would be really hard for Darkrai to pinpoint Sonic's location and galre him even if it does work this way. And it doesn't

 

[StrymULTRA]

as well as the anime as well, the move actually does need to travel the distance, especially if all later portrayals show it this way

It was accepted that anime portrayals of the moves are just an optional way to use them, all the ways to use them in the canon medias are usable.

Also from 4km away, it would be really hard for Darkrai to pinpoint Sonic's location and galre him even if it does work this way. And it doesn't

Darkrai has 2-B range for its attacks and abilities and has telepathy, so it‘d perceive Sonic location instantly.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Also I can actually make the same argument for Sonic with him having issues at finding Darkrai at 4 km of distance with your argument

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

It was accepted that anime portrayals of the moves are just an optional way to use them, all the ways to use them in the canon medias are usable.

You just completely ignored the points of all later portrayals of the moves in the games show a delay. Literally since Gen 2. And when most games pretty consistently show that, then we should go by that rather than the single occasion it doesn't

A delay being show is far more consistent than it not shown, and I'm pretty sure in Gen 1 it's likely due to technological limitation on the games rather than it being intended, since all subsequent generations, as well as all showings in the anime and manga too all agree it shows a delay

 

[StrymULTRA]

You just completely ignored the points of all later portrayals of the moves in the games show a delay. Literally since Gen 2. And when most games pretty consistently show that, then we should go by that rather than the single occasion it doesn't

A delay being show is far more consistent than it not shown, and I'm pretty sure in Gen 1 it's likely due to technological limitation on the games rather than it being intended, since all subsequent generations, as well as all showings in the anime and manga too all agree it shows a delay

And you ignored the all the ways to use them in the canon medias are usable part as well, so