Golden Age Superman vs Zen'o sama (GRACE PERIOD)

[RanaProGamer]

Title says it all.

Superman (Original) vs Zen'o (DB Super)

Speed equalized.

No prep time.

Battle takes place on Earth.

Win by death or KO.

Who wins and why?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Superman likely has the AP to one shot Zeno, but he lacks a resistance to EE in his profile and since SBA puts them at 4km apart from each other, nothing really stops Zeno from squishing and erasing Supes

Voting Zeno

 

[RanaProGamer]

Bump

 

[sanicspood]

zeno FRA

 

[RanaProGamer]

Bump

 

[WarriorofMite]

Superman likely has the AP to one shot Zeno, but he lacks a resistance to EE in his profile and since SBA puts them at 4km apart from each other, nothing really stops Zeno from squishing and erasing Supes

Voting Zeno

It did take Zeno a second or two to charge up his EE attack to erase Future Trunk's timeline. How fast is it considered to be? Even if it takes a couple of sends Supes could hit him before he has a chance to fire it off.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Zeno can erase people with just closing his fist, as shown here (go to 1:00)

 

[WarriorofMite]

Then it looks like whoever hits first. Seems like it could just be inconclusive.

Does Superman's resistance to deconstruction and matter manipulation help? I thought I saw that EE was a deconstruction attack. Is that the case?

 

[Rikimarox2]

I don't think so, no.

Anyways, Zeno could just close his fist and GG. I don't know how its an incon.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Supes is 4km away. So he would need to travel the distance and punch to kill Zeno

Closing fist > Flying 4km and punching

 

[Naito-desu]

Yeah, I think Zeno can reasonably close his hand and EE superman before Superman can land a punch

 

[TyranoDoom30]

Superman has Higher AP, but he doens't resist EE so Zeno should win

Zeno FRA

 

[WarriorofMite]

Supes is 4km away. So he would need to travel the distance and punch to kill Zeno

Closing fist > Flying 4km and punching

Agreed, so then isn't this just a stomp then?

 

[Naito-desu]

No, because Superman has a wincon and could feasibly fly towards zeno before zeno closed his hand, but I just think Zeno EE's more than not

 

[WarriorofMite]

They should be considered in character. Superman isn't going to fly out the gates to punch what looks like a kid in the face. Superman also can't make it to him in time since speed is equal. I'm not really seeing a wincon for him.

 

[sanicspood]

someone add this plss if this concludes

 

[Arcker123]

Zeno closes his fist GG

 

[RanaProGamer]

Bump

 

[Cropfist]

I thought existence erasure isn't hax anymore at tier 2 scale?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

I thought existence erasure isn't hax anymore at tier 2 scale?

Why wouldn't it be? Also both Zeno and Superman are physically 3D. Not that it's matters since Zeno's hax is 4D

 

[Cropfist]

Because erasing space-times should be useless against someone more durable than space-times.

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Childish brat feared by gods FRA

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Because erasing space-times should be useless against someone more durable than space-times.

He's erasing universes via EE, Supes doesn't resist EE, meaning he WILL get erased

 

[Ned_the_outer_god]

Brat FRA

 

[Mariogoods]

I vote to Zen'ō FRA. Also, I don't think the AP gap is huge since Zen'ō is arguably stronger than the cat via powerscaling.

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

I think that's grace.

 

[RanaProGamer]

I think that's grace.

Should I add GRACE to the title?

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Yeah probably.

 

[WarriorofMite]

Someone remind me how Supes wins here again? Speed is equal so he's not getting to Zeno before he closes his hand. No matter how strong he is, he's getting erased. He has no wincon, this should be considered a stomp then.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

He still have wincons to defeat Zeno, but Zeno would just erase first

This is still fair

 

[Ned_the_outer_god]

Is grace over?

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

I think we have a couple more hours

 

[WarriorofMite]

He still have wincons to defeat Zeno, but Zeno would just erase first

This is still fair

This means that Zeno has a hard counter to all of his wincons. Therefore, Supes has no way to win. How is that not considered a stomp?

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

This means that Zeno has a hard counter to all of his wincons. Therefore, Supes has no way to win. How is that not considered a stomp?

Supe can easily one-shot Zeno, that's a wincon. It's just more likely that Zeno is able to close his fist before supe can land an attack. This is not a stomp.

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Ripped straight from the Stomp Thread page:

Common Examples of a Decisive/Non-Stomp Match​

• Both characters have several methods of winning, including options that allow them to win instantly. However, one can reliably use/activate their winning moves first

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

I think the issue is Superman only has a wincon if he can get to Zeno. If Supes has no chance of reaching Zeno before being erased, then Supes has no wincon.

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Supe not being able to reach Zeno in time would fall under "reliably use/activate their winning moves first"

Grace period is over anyways. This can be closed and added.

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

Hmmm, not sure I really agree with that, but I also don't really care, so y'all have fun.

 

[WarriorofMite]

So let me see if I understand, since Supes has a way to win, via 1-shot, it isn't considered a stomp? Despite the fact that the outcome is 100% in Zeno's favor? Or does it take into account certain times when say for example, Zeno decides to say, "Hi, wanna play?" and Supes just uppercuts him into pieces? Making it more of a majority of the time type thing that Zeno EE's him?

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Or does it take into account certain times when say for example, Zeno decides to say, "Hi, wanna play?" and Supes just uppercuts him into pieces? Making it more of a majority of the time type thing that Zeno EE's him?

This exactly.