10-A Tournament Round 2, Match 14 (Godzilla-kun VS Phineas Flynn)

[Cloozuma]

Just a head's up, Godzilla-kun has Subjective Reality and Reality Warping.

 

[Cloozuma]

That is not how it works.

I see

 

[BeautifulDuwanged]

Just a head's up, Godzilla-kun has Subjective Reality and Reality Warping.

The closest Godzilla-Kun used was to use it on a TV. Doesn't help when Phineas can change everything to make it go right in his favor against Godzilla, such as a tree crushing him due to where it takes place.

 

[Lou_change]

I don't think it is really usable looking at the clip.

 

[Imaginym]

I don't think it is really usable looking at the clip.

Don't really think what is usable?

 

[Lou_change]

Kun's reality warping.

 

[BeautifulDuwanged]

I don't think it is really usable looking at the clip.

It's a passive ability, and it's worked like this before. Of course, not in combat, but it should still work on a far smaller scale, such as knocking down a tree.

Edit: They were referring to Kun's reality warping, not Phineas' ability

 

[Lou_change]

I think phineas should be removed from the tourney.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I think phineas should be removed from the tourney.

Same at this point

 

[BeautifulDuwanged]

There are characters that should be able to beat Phineas, such as Bigglesworth outranging with his ice or practically anyone with a long range attack or ability.

 

[Lou_change]

Nope there is no good reason his probability manipulation would do that much worse a tree falls on them.

 

[DaReaperMan]

There are characters that should be able to beat Phineas, such as Bigglesworth outranging with his ice or practically anyone with a long range attack or ability.

Except everyone except for 4 characters are stripped down to their melee

 

[BeautifulDuwanged]

Except everyone except for 4 characters are stripped down to their melee

If there are 4 characters who can beat Phineas, which are already doing fine iirc, then he can stay.

 

[DaReaperMan]

If there are 4 characters who can beat Phineas, which are already doing fine iirc, then he can stay.

They aren't, one of them is Kondraki who got into losers bracket via Bigglesworth and one of the others is Godzilla

 

[BeautifulDuwanged]

Nope there is no good reason his probability manipulation would do that much worse a tree falls on them.

Yes there is? I've already sent evidence of it doing worse than that, even if it included Doofenshmirtz, it can still do things such as that, if there was any way Godzilla-Kun could get past his tree crushing.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Yes there is? I've already sent evidence of it doing worse than that, even if it included Doofenshmirtz, it can still do things such as that, if there was any way Godzilla-Kun could get past his tree crushing.

Yeah. What happens to the only other two characters who can range Phineas to death?

 

[Lou_change]

I am saying range is useless because something big will fall from the sky on them.

 

[BeautifulDuwanged]

They aren't, one of them is Kondraki who got into losers bracket via Bigglesworth and one of the others is Godzilla

Kazuma

 

[DaReaperMan]

You realize that Kazuma already has bad luck right? You realize that a tree already has a chance to fall on him right?

 

[BeautifulDuwanged]

I am saying range is useless because something big will fall from the sky on them

Characters such as Bigglesworth literally kill Phineas before any of that is happening. Phineas runs around and has to wait for that to activate, it isn't going to happen immediately, and since Phineas has shown to be skilled in that term, he can stop that. Characters who rush with melee are closer to Phineas, which his aura is stronger, and as seen in Milo Murphy's Law, the larger the area, the weaker the effect can be.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Characters such as Bigglesworth literally kill Phineas before any of that is happening. Phineas runs around and has to wait for that to activate, it isn't going to happen immediately, and since Phineas has shown to be skilled in that term, he can stop that. Characters who rush with melee are closer to Phineas, which his aura is stronger, and as seen in Milo Murphy's Law, the larger the area, the weaker the effect can be.

Except Bigglesworth has meters of range, and Kondraki the same, and Godzilla the same, only Kazuma has tens of meters.

 

[BeautifulDuwanged]

You realize that Kazuma already has bad luck right? You realize that a tree already has a chance to fall on him right?

And? That's through his luck alone because Phineas' probability manip is weaker against long ranges, and Kazuma can still just outhax at that point, negating the probability manipulation.

 

[Lou_change]

Kun burns him to death then he has the range. But Satou Kazuma also has worryingly good luck.

 

[BeautifulDuwanged]

Except Bigglesworth has meters of range, and Kondraki the same, and Godzilla the same, only Kazuma has tens of meters.

Tens of meters is still enough range there. This also includes meters of range. If you're chasing Phineas (like Godzilla is doing here), you're going to lose, but if you have the capability of ez sniping him with an ability while he's running (Bigglesworth, Kazuma, Kondraki) or can stop that (Kondraki, iirc Kazuma) then you can easily win against him before a tree can fall on you.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Tens of meters is still enough range there. This also includes meters of range. If you're chasing Phineas (like Godzilla is doing here), you're going to lose, but if you have the capability of ez sniping him with an ability while he's running (Bigglesworth, Kazuma, Kondraki) or can stop that (Kondraki, iirc Kazuma) then you can easily win against him before a tree can fall on you.

Only ONE of them can do that, Kazuma. The rest chase him and lose.

 

[BeautifulDuwanged]

Only ONE of them can do that, Kazuma.

Bigglesworth oneshots with ice.

Kondraki blinds.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Bigglesworth oneshots with ice.

Kondraki blinds.

There is an AT MOST 1.5x AP difference between Bigglesworth and Phineas, nobody is one-shotting shit in this tournament.

Phineas looks away.

 

[Lou_change]

I am pretty sure it has the range to effect Doofenshmirtz's plans with should be hundreds of meters at least.

 

[BeautifulDuwanged]

There is an AT MOST 1.5x AP difference between Bigglesworth and Phineas, nobody is one-shotting shit in this tournament.

Phineas looks away.

Ice projectile vs a kid lol

Phineas is unaware of the ability of the camera, he'd be more confused than anything because he's never dealt with anything on that degree.

 

[Lou_change]

He has prior knowledge and done weirder.

 

[BeautifulDuwanged]

I am pretty sure it has the range to effect Doofenshmirtz's plans with should be hundreds of meters at least.

Doofenshmirtz himself has his own probability manipulation, iirc

 

[BeautifulDuwanged]

He has prior knowledge and done weirder.

Prior knowledge doesn't grant all the knowledge on weaponry and only a person + doing weirder doesn't change the fact that it's a regular camera.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Also Bigglesworth's ice is not OP enough to keep him in-range of a target who could have a tree drop on him

Ice projectile vs a kid lol

Phineas is unaware of the ability of the camera, he'd be more confused than anything because he's never dealt with anything on that degree.

Easily dodgable ice projectile vs a 10-A, only one of Bigglesworth's attacks is fast enough to catch Phineas before he is out of range. And it won't slow down Phineas before Bigglesworth is FORCED to chase him.

Everyone has prior knowledge in this tournament. It grants prior knowledge on Kondraki's camera and butterflies

 

[Lou_change]

Doofenshmirtz himself has his own probability manipulation, iirc

No he doesn't.

Prior knowledge doesn't grant all the knowledge on weaponry and only a person + doing weirder doesn't change the fact that it's a regular camera.

He is already out of it.

 

[BeautifulDuwanged]

Also Bigglesworth's ice is not OP enough to keep him in-range of a target who could have a tree drop on him

Easily dodgable ice projectile vs a 10-A, only one of Bigglesworth's attacks is fast enough to cast Phineas before he is out of range. And it won't slow down Phineas before Bigglesworth is FORCED to chase him.

Everyone has prior knowledge in this tournament. It grants prior knowledge on Kondraki's camera and butterflies

Phineas is literally not going to dodge ice. He is running away from Bigglesworth and relying on his probability manipulation which is more inconsistent and weaker at a longer range.

Again, my point here still stands. Having prior knowledge of ones person doesn't mean you'll be aware of how the ability works. All Phineas would know is "light on camera bad"

 

[DaReaperMan]

He is already out of it.

Kondraki is in the losers side of things

 

[BeautifulDuwanged]

No he doesn't.
He is already out of it.

Yeah, he does. He literally states this in one of the Milo Murphy's Law episodes iirc, and it's been shown multiple times.

We are talking about in general, yes? Just because one character got eliminated doesn't mean another will have to be removed, especially since all 4 haven't been removed yet, nor is it on the overpowered side of things. It has an obvious weakness.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Phineas is literally not going to dodge ice. He is running away from Bigglesworth and relying on his probability manipulation which is more inconsistent and weaker at a longer range.

Again, my point here still stands. Having prior knowledge of ones person doesn't mean you'll be aware of how the ability works. All Phineas would know is "light on camera bad"

Proven misunderstanding of what Bigglesworth can do: howling blast creates Ice around the opponent, dealing Bigglesworth's AP, first move and the only thing that can hit Phineas before he is out of range. Ice Tomb creates a swirling sphere of ice that lauches at the opponent after a few seconds. Frost Nova creates an AOE encompassing Bigglesworth's range quickly to lock down anyone without at least class 50 LS, Phineas is out of range before the AOE hits him. Ice Block creates a massive wall of ice in front of Bigglesworth, it is literally useless here and Bigglesworth doesn't use it much anyway, only one of these hits Phineas.

Yeah, he does. He literally states this in one of the Milo Murphy's Law episodes iirc, and it's been shown multiple times.

Make a CRT and get it passed or moot point

 

[BeautifulDuwanged]

Proven misunderstanding of what Bigglesworth can do: howling blast creates Ice around the opponent, dealing Bigglesworth's AP, first move and the only thing that can hit Phineas before he is out of range. Ice Tomb creates a swirling sphere of ice that lauches at the opponent after a few seconds. Frost Nova creates an AOE encompassing Bigglesworth's range quickly to lock down anyone without at least class 50 LS, Phineas is out of range before the AOE hits him. Ice Block creates a massive wall of ice in front of Bigglesworth, it is literally useless here and Bigglesworth doesn't use it much anyway, only one of these hits Phineas.

Make a CRT and get it passed or moot point

Why would Phineas be out of range when speed is =? Same with these other points minus Ice Tomb and Ice Block.

Doofenshmirtz's ability is completely irrelevant here, I have no idea why it's even being brung up outside of range, when it's shown that Doofenshmirtz's inators consistently fail and it's because of Doof's luck, and because of Perry intervening, not Phineas alone.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Why would Phineas be out of range when speed is =? Same with these other points minus Ice Tomb and Ice Block.

Doofenshmirtz's ability is completely irrelevant here, I have no idea why it's even being brung up outside of range, when it's shown that Doofenshmirtz's inators consistently fail and it's because of Doof's luck, and because of Perry intervening, not Phineas alone.

Oh I don't know, maybe its because of Bigglesworth being a god damn cat and having the intelligence of one that he wouldn't expect who he is fighting to run away immediately.