10,000 universes is kinda small. AP revision for Rimuru Tempest (Web Novel)

[Community_Gamer]

This slightly contradicts my point, but it doesnt mean it isnt infinite when completely. Although in earlier segments it talks about how she could never really get tired, she couldn't harness as much power as the other generals even though they only had nuclear reactors. In completion, the mobius system is infinite.

This somewhat supports it by directly stating it compares to the expansion with the universe which in theory is saying the universe is infinitely expanding. And also comparing to beezlebuth, the superior form of gluttony which is already low 2-C comparing to when hinata said it could eat the universe and time, as well as yuuki eating a universal busting attack with beezlebuth. Although those werent confirmed infinities, shouldnt be any stretch of the imagination

The chapter where I got the scan

Well infinitely expanding can still be finite in speed. What exactly are trying to upgrade btw?

 

[Beezlebuth]

Well infinitely expanding can still be finite in speed. What exactly are trying to upgrade btw?

A higher level of 2-B, instead of the original tens of thousands listed, higher into uncountable range. It has two infinite sources influencing his AP in which he can increase, tens of thousands was before even one of them existed.

 

[Beezlebuth]

I disagreed.

Definitely above 10,000 universes but infinite capacity doesn’t mean infinite output from what I have just read through so far.

An infinite output would be 2-A in his scenario, this is just his infinite sources influencing his AP because tens of thousands was before he had any infinite source

 

[Beezlebuth]

Bump

 

[Community_Gamer]

A higher level of 2-B, instead of the original tens of thousands listed, higher into uncountable range. It has two infinite sources influencing his AP in which he can increase, tens of thousands was before even one of them existed.

Have fun with that. I don't think it'll be accepted

 

[Beezlebuth]

Have fun with that. I don't think it'll be accepted

Which is a shame. It doesn't make sense that a clear AP difference shouldn't be changed. Please, take the time out of your day/night to explain to me how not 1, but 2 infinite sources of energy which directly influence his power doesnt equate to more than his tens of thousands of AP?

Is there anything? It says turn null produces its own energy, rimuru says ciel must have made the energy, it is non-arguable to say that with the resources she has as well as skills she influences, ciel couldn't make a mobius system to generate turn null energy, and that's just icing on the cake.

Is there an argument against it? Because i'm starting to think some people are just getting lazy.

 

[WHYNAUT]

Why would it be uncountable? Seems wholly unquantifiable to me.

 

[Beezlebuth]

Why would it be uncountable? Seems wholly unquantifiable to me.

Because 10,000 × infinity (2) is still infinity, but without feats should be a finite number, but no finite, countable finite number would make sense when you have two infinite sources. So I can't imagine it being as low as 100,000 would make sense.

 

[Elizhaa]

Infinite energy is largely Self-substance type 3, in most cases. Though, I would agree that Millim's Ultimate Skill gives statistic amplification and infinite energy (Self-substance type 3) in a roundabout way; the caveats from it is that need to be activated.

Turn Null looks tricky but does seem like it needs to be activated for a boost.

I think the best thing that I can agree with is updating Rimuru's last key AP justification with the prior to last key justifications, now. I would bring up something like this for additions, for his last key: After many years, Rimuru is much stronger as he evolves becoming stronger every day.

 

[Beezlebuth]

Infinite energy is largely Self-substance type 3, in most cases. Though, I would agree that Millim's Ultimate Skill gives statistic amplification and infinite energy (Self-substance type 3) in a roundabout way; the caveats from it is that need to be activated.

Turn Null looks tricky but does seem like it needs to be activated for a boost.

I think the best thing that I can agree with is updating Rimuru's last key AP justification with the prior to last key justifications, now. I would bring up something like this for additions, for his last key: After many years, Rimuru is much stronger as he evolves becoming stronger every day.

I can agree that magic breeder reactor needs to be activated. I feel like it'd be automatic, having a capacity that cannot be filled and no reason to believe it is passive, it'd be second nature as a skill to activate and ciel to make sure it is going during a fight.

What about the mobius system? Considering it isn't a skill and shouldn't be a worry about it filling up his stomach, should be passive?

About turn null needing to activate to boost would largely only be a problem if he didn't sit in imaginary space covered in it

What would be the listed AP change?

 

[WHYNAUT]

If infinite energy doesn't give give infinite output, it doesn't give an uncountable output either. You're literally just using the argument for 2-A Rimuru, except you keep it at uncountable 2-B because 2-A was rejected. Rimuru became stronger, but it's entirely unquantifiable to what extent he became stronger.

 

[Beezlebuth]

If infinite energy doesn't give give infinite output, it doesn't give an uncountable output either. You're literally just using the argument for 2-A Rimuru, except you keep it at uncountable 2-B because 2-A was rejected. Rimuru became stronger, but it's entirely unquantifiable to what extent he became stronger.

Your entire point is silly, your entire argument is that because infinite energy doesnt mean infinite output, so it doesn't give uncountable output either. The rest was just nonsense anyway, bringing up a point that doesn't actually counter an argument about a controversial point in some fallicious manner like it would quiet me down. A post about 2-B and some random talks about 2-A to steer of topic. Dope.

Do you actually have any reason it wouldn't work as uncountable output, because that entire argument, especially how you compared it to infinity, is just a statement with no actual sense.
1. Your comparison is just completely off, no amount of finite, uncountable ^ uncountable, would ever equal infinity, automatically making that obsolete.
2. The past attempt failed due to the lack of a feat of not doing a 2-A power, or producing an infinity to that degree, so using it here would also be fine.
3. He has statements for tens of thousands, which is literal proof that the amount of energy (turn null) he has decides the AP. It is fairly reasonable that with the feats and information we have, that two infinite sources that can be multiplied beyond belief to make a finite amount. I'm not a scientist, but infinite /= finite, so it's pretty generous and likely uncountable.
4. And considering he has skills that are infinite in nature as well as the ability to replicate skills and make new ones based on the information of them, can just make an infinite amount of processing systems and do it that way.

 

[WHYNAUT]

Okay so you just didn't explain how this is any different from the 2-A Rimuru argument.

I'm not trying to disprove anything because the previous threads already dealt with these arguments. There's no need for me to just parrot the arguments from those.

First explain what's different between your argument and the 2-A Rimuru argument, then we can start having an actual debate. Because just because you're arguing for another tier doesn't mean the argument itself is any different.

A lot of your arguments come down to speculation and things Rimuru could hypothetically do.

 

[Elizhaa]

I can agree that magic breeder reactor needs to be activated. I feel like it'd be automatic, having a capacity that cannot be filled and no reason to believe it is passive, it'd be second nature as a skill to activate and ciel to make sure it is going during a fight.

What about the mobius system? Considering it isn't a skill and shouldn't be a worry about it filling up his stomach, should be passive?

About turn null needing to activate to boost would largely only be a problem if he didn't sit in imaginary space covered in it

What would be the listed AP change?

I think like there are too many speculations. I think my proposal would be more accurate from the description; the end result is still the same Rimuru is much time stronger.

 

[FireSister6969]

Most people are aware that the ability to recreate the universe 10,000 times mimicking the original is possible for rimuru. Although this is in his true dragon key, I believe, most people use it as his EoS key. (Although this may likely show up in a later CRT).

I disagree with this

This is rimuru's thoughts. During the battle rimuru v milim in attempt to deceive lucia, he explains that the more energy he has, the more power.

"Yeah but multiple people have infinite sources, milim, yuuki, and gii, even that one robo chick in the after stories. Even GOD had it..."

God didn't even have an infinite capacity, mix that with the fact that rimuru obtains not one infinite source, (the first being magic essence breeder reactor obtained via yuuki (or veldanava's blade( or information archives))), he also travels to the parallel world and takes the mobius system from the cyborg.

Not 1, but 2 sources that have NOT been able to fill up rimuru's imaginary space, thus I think it should be clearly stated on Rimuru's (Web novel) page to be clear above 10,000 universes.

If accepted, should be insanely high above baseline 2-B, also affect range via space-time continuous strike/amplify(footman). Although I may reapply for 2-A later, two infinite sources directly powering him up in which he could recreate EASILY via: all of creation manifestation/embodiment

Harvest lord shub-niggurath which has the ability to recreate skills (magic breeder reactor)

And just in case people say, "but that's turn null! There's nothing that says anything else can even attack multiple universe in tensura"

Rimuru states ciel made the "energy" the entire time. Although this is contradictory to previous statements before, does not mean it is not possible.
Accumulated: gather together or acquire an increasing number or quantity of.
The very definition of the verb used by ciel means turn null (the subject utilized the verb, which is a skill under void-god azathoth) itself with the help of ciel. But, rimuru also said she had created the energy, and being that turn null energy is significantly stronger than every kind of energy, did not have a way to infinitely reproduce other energy as this time, thus meaning she had a hand in created turn null energy, and should be able to utilize reactor/mobius to create the energy infinitely.

The mobius system also has the potential to cross over and attack other universes, mixed with multiple clones, space-time continuous attack, teleport (spatial manipulation abilities have shown the capability to transport even physical things such as sticky steel thread to other locations as seen in the after stories with souei using stick steel thread to link to the hiding rimuru in case of emergencies)

(This also supports the fact that tensura universes are infinite, as the mobius system is infinite)

Extra:

Both SS support the idea that he can create energy, or simply just convert energy. Turn null also in EVERY mentioning of it is described the be the power of creation, or the skill itself is just the manipulation of the energy, thus meaning to be able to create it should be able to create the actual energy.

What chapter does rimuru state that he can destroy tens of thousands universes?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

What chapter does rimuru state that he can destroy tens of thousands universes?

That ******* necro though.

 

[Nxdia00]

What chapter does rimuru state that he can destroy tens of thousands universes?

"Create" and it's in the last ch or a ch before that iirc.

And i tho this thread already closed long ago...it's already a year or so.

 

[FireSister6969]

"Create" and it's in the last ch or a ch before that iirc.

And i tho this thread already closed long ago...it's already a year or so.

My bad didn't look at the time this was posted.. anyways thx

 

[EnderKing]

Which is a shame. It doesn't make sense that a clear AP difference shouldn't be changed. Please, take the time out of your day/night to explain to me how not 1, but 2 infinite sources of energy which directly influence his power doesnt equate to more than his tens of thousands of AP?

Is there anything? It says turn null produces its own energy, rimuru says ciel must have made the energy, it is non-arguable to say that with the resources she has as well as skills she influences, ciel couldn't make a mobius system to generate turn null energy, and that's just icing on the cake.

Is there an argument against it? Because i'm starting to think some people are just getting lazy.

cant It Be Scaled As Low-2A Or High-2B If He Could Just Create Infinite Amount Of Universe With Finite Number
The Fact Is It Is Still Infinite In one Way Or other

 

[FireSister6969]

cant It Be Scaled As Low-2A Or High-2B If He Could Just Create Infinite Amount Of Universe With Finite Number
The Fact Is It Is Still Infinite In one Way Or other

His imaginary space is infinite but it's clearly stated that he can't fully fill it up meaning that rimuru doesn't scale to infinity.. why u highballing him so much

 

[EnderKing]

His imaginary space is infinite but it's clearly stated that he can't fully fill it up meaning that rimuru doesn't scale to infinity.. why u highballing him so much

What if you Add The Side Story
you Can directly See That He Can Spam Create 10000
Universe's Without stopping That Could Result Creating Infinite
Universe's In some Way

 

[Nicetoderp]

That's not how 2-A work.

A character who constantly created 10000 universes constantly is incomparable to a character that can instant shat out infinite universes without if or but.

Also this is hella necro.

 

[EnderKing]

But Can't It Be Scaled To High-2B
since The Amount Is Very High

 

[Yar_R_agi_7k]

What is the high 2-b?

 

[EnderKing]

Light Novel:Veldanava Was Omnipotent And Omniscient



He Was Bored in The Void So He Decided To Create The Mutiverse However He Didn't Want To Know The End Results Of his Creation

From The start so He Released His Omnipotence And Omniscience (The Veldanava From light Novel was an Idiot )







(Light Novel Veldanava Seems to be The Most Overpowered Character)




There Seems To Be 1-17 Volumes Released And 12 Volumes Translated







The Light Novel Hasn't Ended Yet

 

[Orioreeem]

Light Novel:Veldanava Was Omnipotent And Omniscient



He Was Bored in The Void So He Decided To Create The Mutiverse However He Didn't Want To Know The End Results Of his Creation

From The start so He Released His Omnipotence And Omniscience (The Veldanava From light Novel was an Idiot )







(Light Novel Veldanava Seems to be The Most Overpowered Character)




There Seems To Be 1-17 Volumes Released And 12 Volumes Translated







The Light Novel Hasn't Ended Yet

Omnipotence doesn't mean anything on this site.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Obvious necro.

This topic has been gone over so many times too, closing this.