Vergil vs Trunks

[JoshDoshMosh]

the battle that doesnt really have any connections besides a stupid meme I saw(as seen below):


This fight will be using DBS Trunks and DMC3 Vergil(speed equalized and starting range is 20 meters)

Trunks: 0()

Vergil: 2(GilverTheProtoAngelo and Sevil Natas)

Incon: 7(Dante_Demon_Killah, Tony_di_bugalu, Havok, Mister6ame6, Naitodesu, Cul0r, and sanicspood)

 

[Cloozuma]

Oh wtf, you're putting a Low 2-C vs a 3A

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

Oh wtf, you're putting a Low 2-C vs a 3A

In hindsight this was probably not a good idea. Trunks has a major speed advantage, not sure if that helps, probably doesn't

 

[Cloozuma]

In hindsight this was probably not a good idea. Trunks has a major speed advantage, not sure if that helps, probably doesn't

Yeah it doesn't. Vergil has 4D Resistances and more hax. So even if you speed equal this is a stomp

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

doesn't Vergil also have passive hax lol?

 

[Shmooply]

doesn't Vergil also have passive hax lol?

Only in DT form. Anywho, Vergil gigastomps here.

 

[Sevil Natas]

this should definitely be closed.

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

this should definitely be closed.

Do I contact a mod and ask them to close it?

 

[Armorchompy]

I wonder if it'd be fair if you used DMC3 Vergil lol, he gets AP stomped but he has like 30 ways to negate dura

 

[Shmooply]

well, considering the tier 4 upgrades

 

[Sevil Natas]

I wonder if it'd be fair if you used DMC3 Vergil lol, he gets AP stomped but he has like 30 ways to negate dura

if we equalise speed, vergil opens up with a judgement cut from range
from what i've seen, trunks always goes to tag ppl in melee with his sword,
so dmc 3 vergil might win this

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

I wonder if it'd be fair if you used DMC3 Vergil lol, he gets AP stomped but he has like 30 ways to negate dura

Technically speaking you can put DMC3 Vergil against even Beerus or someone else and he'd still pull a win...
Hell you can put any fodder demon from DMC like Hells in front him and they'd fear hax Beerus into paralysis with 4D fear hax....

 

[Armorchompy]

Fear hax by itself isn't a wincon unless it straight-up kills or paralyses even when the demon's gone

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

They paralyse then proceed to attack physically which have 4D soul hax....

 

[Sevil Natas]

Fear hax by itself isn't a wincon unless it straight-up kills or paralyses even when the demon's gone

yeah fodder demons cant do anything, vergil is a complete different story.

They paralyse then proceed to attack physically which have 4D soul hax....

most of fodders dont have 4D soul hax, some of them have regular soul hax tho

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

most of fodders dont have 4D soul hax, some of them have regular soul hax tho

Blitz for example does though... it kills its own fellow brethren afterall....it even have a profile here

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

But anyway fooling around aside....this should be closed....

 

[Sevil Natas]

But anyway fooling around aside....this should be closed....

nah if the OP changes it to DMC3 Vergil & equalises speeed it might be an interesting match

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

nah if the OP changes it to DMC3 Vergil & equalises speeed it might be an interesting match

No actually...
Vergil can sense power lvls , the moment he reads Trunks' he goes hax mode fast.
And Trunks cannot even "point and erase" like Beerus can....
Even if you count out the power lvl reading, Judgement Cut is a starting move no matter the situation which is insta kill here....

 

[Cul0r]

F Trunks dies here

 

[Sevil Natas]

No actually...
Vergil can sense power lvls , the moment he reads Trunks' he goes hax mode fast.
And Trunks cannot even "point and erase" like Beerus can....
Even if you count out the power lvl reading, Judgement Cut is a starting move no matter the situation which is insta kill here....

but still trunks has notable wincons

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

but still trunks has notable wincons

Well we can give it a try and see what happens......

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

I might change it if that makes it less of a stomp.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Yeah change it to DMC3 Vergil...lets see what happens.

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

Changed, should I equalize speed as well?

 

[Sevil Natas]

yes you should lol

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Changed, should I equalize speed as well?

Also pls specify starting range since Vergil only has tens of meters with combat and only 10 kms or so with sensing.
While Trunks has cross dimensional range with sensing and possible cosmic with combat...lemme check.

So a fair range should be decided for both.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Also pls provide links

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

You think 20 or 15 meters is good?

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Yeah

 

[Sevil Natas]

oof starting range is too close.
vergil will absolutely DT here since he can sense power lvls and trunks will get paralysed from the passive fear hax that his DT has
after that this will probably happen

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Maybe we can have Trunks start out out of Vergil's range and just have them know each other's general direction and awareness that opponent exists.
Then they can decide from there what to do.

 

[Sevil Natas]

Maybe we can have Trunks start out out of Vergil's range and just have them know each other's general direction and awareness that opponent exists.
Then they can decide from there what to do.

nah, i'd say wait for arguments

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

nah, i'd say wait for arguments

Fair enough

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Bump

 

[Lightning_XXI]

I find funny people saying that Vergil ultra absolutely instantly opens with a Judgement Cut when this isn't the case

He didn't opened against Dante with it (In any of their battle btw), he didn't used against Jester/Arkham, he didn't opened with it against those demons in the DMC3 intro or DMC4 SE Intro, he indeed used against Force Edge Arkham for example but that doesn't make his opening move this apparently undodgeable attack that can be dodged (by people comparable to Vergil aka Dante aka speed equalized here gives Trunks the option to dodge) in every game that it has

Now, with that said, Vergil cuts Trunks with any attack from the Yamato and likely uses Judgement Cut soon in the battle, while Trunks can kill him with any AOE attacks, so basically it's a who strikes first and since both don't mess around, I'll go inconclusive

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

But Vergil can power sense here...hence by just getting spooked by large power lvl of his opponent he defaults to JC by rule of thumb...

The Abyss scene is eye candy sword play for viewers so physical fight was required....especially considering he knows Abyss are fodder there is no need to use it anyway.

As for those instances with Dante....the guy knows nature of JC and how to dodge them....he atleast had hints to it from DMC3 Manga I beleive....where he has seen use of Yamato's power ,and Vergil liberally used stuff similar to JC especially on humans just cuz. Even in some demons I believe.

But new opponents who know jackshit about Vergil won't know to dodge it as urgently....especially if they assume they can tank it.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

attack that can be dodged (by people comparable to Vergil aka Dante

Dante can see them tho, otherwise they look like how Dante cut the hell gate in 4 which is pretty much invisible

 

[Sevil Natas]

I find funny people saying that Vergil ultra absolutely instantly opens with a Judgement Cut when this isn't the case

He didn't opened against Dante with it (In any of their battle btw), he didn't used against Jester/Arkham, he didn't opened with it against those demons in the DMC3 intro or DMC4 SE Intro, he indeed used against Force Edge Arkham for example but that doesn't make his opening move this apparently undodgeable attack that can be dodged (by people comparable to Vergil aka Dante aka speed equalized here gives Trunks the option to dodge) in every game that it has

Now, with that said, Vergil cuts Trunks with any attack from the Yamato and likely uses Judgement Cut soon in the battle, while Trunks can kill him with any AOE attacks, so basically it's a who strikes first and since both don't mess around, I'll go inconclusive

doesnt vergil just DT though?

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

doesnt vergil just DT though?

Yeah