Scaling relied on Aizen being superior to Espada and not 100% hollow Ichigo. 100% hollow Ichigo never fought anyone
So he kinda doesn't scale to anyone, You can say Aizen stronger than him as a ''Transcendent being'' but i cant find reasons for base Aizen.
As I said this above, Ulquiorra said that to make ichigo feels despair, context in here is:
Ichigo be like, oh you are the strongest espada, if i beat you then I'm stronger than all espada, Ulquiorra then show his numbers to shatter his spirits
He also do this with his SE, Ulquiorra in his Res1...
That was their main defensive capabilities, you can said the same for Sonido, they can move without Sonido but their fastest movement will utilized Sonido.
Zommari is the fastest and Nnoitra is the heardest to break if you do by Databook and Manga.
>>Ichigo didn't have a hard time with Yammy, he literally slammed Yammy into the ground extremely casually.
He barerly injure him according to Yammy. also do you Agree Nnoitra have better DF than Aizen or not?
Base Bankai Ichigo blocked a swing from Res Yammy. Ichigo also claims he can crush Yammy with raw strength and Ichigo is quite the capable sensory boy.
Yes, i agree, never disagree with it what I am confused is how hollow bankai Ichigo cant do much damage to him, I mean i have an asnwer for...
Yes, but that defeat the purpose of him saying he's superior to all of them
He's not really if yammy have higher durability than him, that and you can use Hierro to attack since it harder their skin
maybe wont scale as much of their dura but that was an option.
@Arc7Kuroi Yes but Yammy is much...
I never said 100% Hollow Mask Ichigo fought Yammy.
50% Hollow Mask Ichigo fire getsuga at yammy and it barely hurt Res 1 Yammy. Rage form Yammy is 2x Res yammy
100% Hollow Mask Ichigo fire getsuga at Aizen and he hurt him pretty bad.
About Cien, Why? you waiting for translation? if so ok then.
Btw you guys arguing 50% Hollow Mask Bankai = Can barely hurt R1 Yammy
Yammy get additional 2X multi in his rage form and he still power up after that via getting more angry (he become bigger)
100% Hollow Mask Bankai = Can hurt FKTA Aizen
So FKTA Aizen will be equal to rage form Yammy
This is actually really dumb scaling, why tokinada has higher Tier than Yama and Aizen, or why Base Bazz B have higher Tier than Yama
Tokinada stated hes inferior to base Aizen and Yama while Bazz B only partially cancel yama flames (he still took damage from it)
Yeah this will be tripost...
Urahara, Shunko Armored Yoruichi and Isshin scale to Aizen, idk if they will scale to Chrysalis because Chrysalis Aizen only troling around and they never really damage him
all they did was damage his outer layer of coocon thinggy
Gin. Gin have like 10 times multi...
>>Yammy only gets 10 times stronger after he uses his Resurrection
If databook says so then sure, we use 10 times multi for his first Resurrection if there are no contradiction to this, like we are using info from databook for his Rage form.
2x multi from rage form isn't stated anywhere in manga.
The heck are you talking about, I knew Oscuras 10 times stronger when did I ever denied that. Also what even are you talking about with these hollow mask jump, looks like you are the one who dont undertand shiet with out conversation. You saying Base bankai 50% Ichigo is 10 times SE or like as...
That just him trying to make Ichigo Hopeless imo, he did that a lot of time, even with his SE. He already far superior than Ichigo in his R1 so its not necessary for him to go to SE, except if he want to make Ichigo feels despair.
Which a fanfic i dont know where you get that numbers from. Aizen Knew how powerfull Ichigo is after he fight SE.
Hes didn't see ichigo to be that strong when they meet
Idk man, Nel only on base too when she harm him, you always implied that Nnoitra will be untouchable by anyone bar Respira...
>>I don’t think you actually know what I am arguing. You are the one who said that Yammy being harmed by Kenny was an anti feat while I am telling you that Kenny already harmed someone with superior durability.
Oh I know very well. For one Zaraki respect Nnoitra because hes a fun aka stronk...
If we want to start from FKTA Aizen then sure, there are 3 reasons for this and you already said the first one
>>He say hes stronger than all of them
>>Second one is he say above after he already have info about SE and Ichigo newest final form
This is consistent with how good his sensing are. He...
Cien doesn't have profile(and outside the scaling) because scaling team didn't have the original raw info about the novel, so they can make sure if the fan translation is correct or not
At least that what I get when I ask em
>>>Nnoitra has the strongest Hierro. If you are just going to blatantly disregard evidence just because you don’t actually have an argument beyond your opinion, sit down, shut up and take notes.
So you going to blatantly disregard evidence of it not a big of...
Why tho, Aizen already expect ichigo to be Zangetsu possessed Strong (or you guys call him Vasto Ichigo), but when he fought Ichigo in his 100% bankai form he said he was disappointed Ichigo can only be this strong, where he should be even stronger.
Oh very nais, starting to losing patience aren't you so now you start trying to throw personal which I haven't done so far, anyway.
>>>He was mocking Rukia.
So he say she hurting mean=He was mocking rukia? It's actually much better if you says this just one of the case where
Kubo forgot when...
That isn't too important for the current discussion right now or at least for now
Right now my point is Yammy have no support for side since he has no good feats and only have:
>>Claim from databook or somewhere else: As I say above can be interpreted difrently due to his unique ability within...
Did you miss my scan when Aizen literally told that to Ichigo? and how he even knew About Ichigo new transformation? or when later he disappointed and say to ichigo that he should stronger than he is right now? Not like this will change fact that yammy have no feats to back up his hype, l like...
Prove what? I already did and even bring you the scans and while explaining Segunda is unique in this category and outside of the general scaling or knowledge from the espada and how scaling Yammy make zero sense compared to what has been show in the manga, just like his number.
Btw numbers is...
Simple answer to that was he outside the espada ranking system, especially with how much anti feats/poor performance Yammy has shown
Ahh so you just agree with them without asking, or giving a feedback to an potential flaw within the scaling, glad i didn't do that.
You mean the rank that only change when Yammy transform aka when he supposed has become stronger than most espada? the same rank that according to discussion in here disappeared when Ulquiorra in his R2?
Btw a question, why most of you haven't realized (some of you is literally have panic...
Okay. Hado level 90 or above is much stronger than Gran Rey Cero and Gran Rey Cero isn't an casual attack for Arrancar
thus implied that even if you say Old man Shikai>>>Hado level 96 It still mean that Aizen scales since Hado level 96 is't an casual attack whatsoever.
Yama can tank his shikai, did you forget this? he is unaffected by his flames attack and survive from its most powerfull attack
Same Yama who can be wounded by 1 slast from Aizen who also tanked his high level kido, Aizen scale below but hes around his level.
Cmon, did I need to explain everything, points is sensing won't always mean you know the full extent, that and Kubo forgot is an option due to you know much of a disappointment Yammy was.
Another thing is, Zaraki did not scale to Aizen at all, not even close. Again did you missed my post where...
Considering Mayuri have no words about it or Byakuya or Zaraki (Zaraki is on Yammy level in terns of sensing smt btw), You says either Kubo forgot or they did sense it but well Las Noches is pretty big so they probably did not sense the full extent of his power. Yammy did sense it but as we have...
There are tons of similar quote with Nnoitra and Zommari, If you still haven't realized this by now neither of them scale to Segunda Etapa
He's the exception to the rule because nobody know about its existance apart from Ulquiorra and Aizen.
Please don't implied than Yammy or even Cien is on Aizen Level, Aizen can tank high level hado from old man Yama and capable of hurting him as well
While Yammy lost against Zaraki who is well... How do i say this...:unsure:
Should've including that one and only decent feats yammy have, which where he tanked getsuga from hollow ichigo but with ichigo himself says that his mask wasn't feels right. Yammy have nothing on his side other than some statement which can be interpreted differently due to his unique ability...
Yammy did say he is above Ulquiorra however Yammy is known to be shit at reiatsu sensing
It also doesn't help that All of his feats ''bar one decent feat'' is hilariously underwhelming compared to Ulquiorra..Lets see:
>>>Rukia can somewhat harm him with low level Kido:
>>>Half power regular...
Couple of issue with this:
>>>75% (454.9 Tetatons) for Full Hollow Ichigo and 25% (151.6 Tetatons)
This is never stated anywhere, Ichigo>>>Ulquiorra but we dont know the percentage, it could be 60/40 or 89/11
Better stick with 50/50 but Ichigo will scale above while Ulquiorra will scale below...
Result from the old calc is the lowest low ball you can come up because that was under the assumption that Ichigo won't do anything and just let himself freefall 7 days straight into soul society, anything lower than that would assume that sometimes Ichigo will stop mid air to take smoke breaks...
They are supporting feats, anyway looking back at some of the profiles
I say some of their reasoning are terrible:
>>Mimihagi previous speed:
Speed: FTL (Easily traveled to the Soul King Palace in mere moments. One of the fastest beings seen in the series so far)
His reasoning are linked to Rel...
His powers is imagination aka imagine things into reality. If he can imagine those powers before
Then they are no reason to assume he can't imagine himself to wielding those powers because It's the same thing only on different targets
We also knew that Gremmy didn't have silly limitation on his...
More like these kind of upgrades will never accepted unless you put as much effort as IMade does
In this wiki it is notoriously difficult to change the tier or speed rating for bleach chars
Just play it safe and avoid controversial topic until we find futher information.
About Yhwach thingy...
>Its like the conceptual EE that erases from space and time until not even memories of the erased remain. Just because the EE was conceptual doesn't give him conceptual memory manipulation.
Btw this is quite funny because: No, Ichibe doesn't have Memory Manipulation via erasing ppl concept (Yeh...
We do, check his profile, his power null and concept hax come in the same packet. And it's not a problem actually, it just you don't understand it, as usual.
>otherwise some hax upgrades are in store for some characters IK.
Do the upgrade then, It's not my fault if your crt is failed
That and Ichibe power null come from his name hax, his opponent in this case let just say Aizen, he can use all of his abilities because he's Aizen, when we heard the word Aizen we pretty much know this is the dude who can use KS and shit.
But not if Ichibe power null him, because in this case...
When did he says that? And having a higher reiatsu is not necessary to destroy Kototsu since BoS Orihime can do it when at that time nobody in SS can. That and Gin says you can't fight Kototsu just by using reiatsu.
>At any point did a Bankai come back because the Quincy was defeated and not because something was done about the Medallion?
No, it's because hollow power is poisonous to quincy, so they just add hollow powers to the stolen bankai and suddenly their bankai is come back to them, thats also why...
>Because the CRT will go nowhere. Resurrection is literally nothing like Bankai, is just the Arrancar sealing their natural powers in their sword, and that can be stolen too. Not to mention all Bankai are widely different.
Haha, first so far everyone agree with my crt and second, all bankai...
It's not power null or sealing ability because you steal the power, you not nullified the power or seal it and there are reason why we didn't give anyone with power absorption, sealing and power nullification in their power and abilities section because it's different and it require different...
>>For all Sternritters and Yhwach: Power Absorption via Medallio (Simple. Medallio is a device used by the Sternritters to steal Shinigami bankai, or any powers who was fundamentally similar to a Shinigami bankai, as for how you will clasified powers with similar nature as bankai, noted when...
>>>Easy. Ichigo's Zanpakuto would have lost all of its techniques and would have just been a regular sword. Yhwach has already shown to easily defend against what is far far above a regular sword. Without using the Almighty. Power nulling Zangetsu into a regular sword wouldn't have required...
Medallion can only steal bankai or abilitiy with similar nature with bankai, and medallion is power Absorption, it's not a sealing abilities or power null. I prob will create their crt later, it also weird on why how nobody never address this for some reason.
Yet they are not, the kind of passive powers that energy itself give to you is already different, same for how they work, you not randomly can see invisible ghost or can interact with them via having KI, they only follow the same idea but not entirely the same energy.
Because You still don't get it, if reiatsu only affect you physically you will be correct, but they are not, we have several statement of them can affect the soul, hence it counted as hax. They only work on weaker being because everyone in bleach with higher reiatsu have resiatance to soul hax...