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Now that I'm thinking about this deeper. For all those arguments that Zanpakuto don't affect souls in bodies, Ichigo's soul got yeeted when Rukia stabbed him in ch. 1. Unless I just missed this being said previously, in which case I will feel slightly silly.
1 or more people get haxed = Baseline Hax
person A resists ^ = 1 Layer
A gets haxed = Layer Bypass of 1
B resists ^ = 2 Layers
and so on
The amount of people who get haxed within layers is solely a range feat/ unquantifiable potency. Which means inapplicable potency.
We don't call it a stomp, but we do denote it as Higher because by definition is has to be a greater effect.
If two have a comparable effect, then one verse brings another instance of that effect but acknowledges it as completely superior, that in itself would be the implication that pushes the...
Huh... That sounds like it breeches NLF territory.
Character A would be resisting a level of potency they've never encountered.
For instance, some verses have forms of invulnerability that function as hax in-verse, but this site always limits it's degree of durability to whatever highest AP it...
Ok so I just want to make sure I've wrapped my head around this correctly, and this is hypothetical btw:
Character A from verse 1 resists a 10 person mind-wipe.
Character B from verse 2 can wipe 20 people, has a verse mechanic that allows them to concentrate their abilities on single targets...
Aizen had an absurd amount of prep-time for that fight, Yama just planned to shit on all of that preparation with sheer strength and he aimed for one shot, because he would only have that one shot, because KS.
Yama is also >Unohana.
Considering Yama proceeds to not only tank, but compress a comparable amount of power, I'm somewhat inclined to believe that he was just showing that he was prepared to die.
The kido is sketch, Yama was empty at that point. The fact that he resorted to using something sacrificial is telling...
I mean, Yama knew getting stabbed was his wincon. So there is solid argument for saying he allowed it to happen.
-and tanking a last-ditch atk from the guy laid out from taking his own full strength does not scale you to said full strength.
lmao came back to take another look at that thread and what I'm getting is that the only logical explanation for that scene to make sense is if WotL and SS are separate space-times.
Which, to be fair, they could be.
About that Senna thread I've a quick question, but didn't want to dip into that mess tho.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the spheres in the Dangai are, in fact, universal sized and you pixel scale accordingly, wouldn't that mean the invasion squad in SS arc ran an intergalactic distance in a...
Yes, it could be a mechanical limitation, just as it could be a simple oversight that the devs didn't bother fixing since it doesn't have gameplay ramifications.
Alternatively. the sword could simply not glow in the Light World, due to the influence of the Light Spirits which would permeate the...
The reason Hyrule is not in Twilight is due to the protection of the light spirits.
for Zant to create a space similar to Hyrule, he would also need the Light intrinsic to those light spirits as well. The sun alone isn't the cause.
Iirc the reason the Master Sword doesn't glow is because he's not in the Twilight Realm. If it was solely due to the Sun, it would glow in caves and at night, and I'm pretty sure it doesn't in either of those situations, at the very least not to the extent it does in the Twilight.
Also, I feel...
I feel like I remember there being a thread about fixing Bleach's scaling chain, but I could be mistaken.
What I was getting at though, is that the SKP distance has been reduced to a supporting role once Renji got his FTL calc
Came back and found the thread closed...
Can someone remind me exactly how relevant this calc is to the character stats? Because iirc:
Mimihagi would scale above Renji anyway.
Auswählen and the death beam would just scale to Ywhach's attack speed, since they are his attacks. Lilotto would very...
Hmm, At Least, or just Higher Than would still be accurate, and since when were lowballs not allowed, because the calc is not wrong, it is minimal.
But regardless, my take: Removing this calc from feats in which this one is the sole justification is weird, but whatever.
Removing this calc from...
I'm confused, and also not sure if I should post this question here.
If the calculation is so blatantly lowballed and only inaccurate in the sense that we all know that the values should be higher, why wouldn't the freefall distance simply give everyone who scales to it an At Least? It provides...
Tentatively, this could also suggest that none of the three realms remain on the original plane, and that the Prime SK split the original universe into three, instead of 'just' creating new worlds for the dead to inhabit.
Well, idk if that would be higher or lower tho.
Souls in SS get reincarnated in the Living world when die though, and with how violent some of the districts in the Rukongai are I can believe that enough die to keep the balance, I doubt that there are that many more souls in SS that in the Living world.
And if Yama's Bankai is accurate then...
The Prime SK split the original universe. At the lowest interpretation of this, we assume that the process went something like this:
- World of the Living is the 'original' space and the PSK left 'life'
- PSK separated 'death' and created Soul Society and Hueco Mundo
- PSK extracted what is...
I kinda half-mentioned this before. but Yhwach's goal was to merge the worlds of 'life' and 'death' into one.
However, with the context given to use through Ichibe's info dump the Prime Soul King separated 'life' and 'death' into 'the world of the living' - which is Earth - and 'the world of...
And the other mystical metals of the Riordanverse
Weapons made from the stuff pass right through regular mortals, but are there any examples of mortals touching any of them directly?
I don't consider Dr. Chase making bullets from it, since he could have just used tools to do so.
Or is this...
Whether spiritual chakra is soul based or mind based is irrelevant.
Either way, Chakra has never been shown to grant resistance to soul manipulation which is what the effects of Reiatsu are
There should probably be an expansion on verse equalization's explanation pointing out that the unique...
Acting through the black ink (and Ichimonji too actually) is exactly why the power itself is not invisible hough. The power of renaming targets is represented by a physical form that can be most definitely seen, the black ink. The effect of the ink is invisible but the power itself is not. The...
>So you're asking what happens if a hax exists such that it has no effect that manifests, yes? Nothing results from its usage?
No, I'm asking what happens if Yhwach can't see the application of an ability, or effect that manifests, not that no ability is used, or that there is no...
>So what happens when Yhwach also can't percieve the effect a hax has on the world?
>So Link, you're asking me what happens when an ability that has no effect whatsoever on anything, ever, is used?
>So you are telling me that Yhwach can percieve every effect something has on anything ever...
This is nice. So what happens when Yhwach also can't percieve the effect a hax has on the world?
Also, the word canon is thrown around a bit too much here, and most times it is actually more insulting than I think people realize or intend. Just because a controversal point of view is brought...
I think you might have missed my point.
If Yhwach can't see something without the Almighty. he won't be able to see it if even if he's looking into the future with the Almighty.
And while the Almighty is most likely the most absurd hax in Bleach, it is not infallable even in-verse.
For one, the toxicity in this thread is rather overwhelming. Kindly tone it all the way down
Something I'm wondering:
The Almighty gives its users the ability to see all possible futures, undisputed.
However, nothing I've seen or read even implies that it allows the wielder the ability to see...
I've already given my agreement on the abilities of the arms. And my neutrality on Gerard. Disagree on the Schrifts.
And I still disagree with using a statement to proof when there is another statement that contradicts it, but that is beating a dead horse.
I just have one last question before...
Yes on panel, Yhwach tell Uryu that his power will begin to awaken, the same power that allowed him to survive ,
Asuachi are blank The Zanpakuto's abilities and spirit are both born from the shinigami.
Hollows can indeed posess special characteristics before they enter the menos stage, see...
"The Fullbring I gave him"
No, Ginjo did not literally give Ichigo Fullbring. However, he is the entire reason Ichigo developed his own so.
Also, you still haven't refuted the pieces of Fullbring armor on him.
Asuachi are blank slates colored by the unique and original...
1. This is not what I asked.
So he wanted to make a patchwork SK, ok. How does this support Shard=Fullbring.
2. You must be using a more precise translation to claim that because the word 'training' is no where in that scan.
Then let me clear up what my problem is since I seem to be coming...
>The point is that there is not a single visual of LN that is visually consistent with the statement which puts it at hundreds of kilometers wide, this is the problem with using Statements because sizes look inconsistent, you don't get to pick and choose what suits you
I find this to be...
>Hell, the fact that their Shard can be stolen and then they lose all their Fullbring powers is proof of that! How on Earth can anybody even begin to deny how simplistic the logic is there? Losing the Shard=Losing their Fullbring; if they had obtained 'their own unique power' it wouldn't...
Except it is not that the Shard that is activating, the closest supporting quoote is that the Shard responds when introduced to Hollow reiryoku with the child in developement, and that only refers to the birth of a Fullbringer
When it comes to Fullbring, it is stated that it is the Shard...
Actually, is talking about interpreting the origins derailing this thread? If so, should I post my answer on the General Discussion, or somewhere else?
>When Ginjo stole Ichigo's Fullbring (his Shard probably) he was able to give his ability to all other So it kinda shows that it comes...
Lol you act like I just declared my on-the-spot theory as canon.
There is a reason I said speculation. The SK is not the source of absolutely everything in the verse.
If shinigami only spawned with the instillation of the Soul Cycle, then what were the ancestors, who had powers of their own...
And it was Tokinada who said it, and not even explicitly. If the SK was absolutely directly the pprogenitor, I'm sure he would have just said that. More likely, though at the same level of speculation, is that the massive releasing of reishi from the hollow caused more and more people to develop...
You are correct about me being wrong about what Ichibe impies, apologies
'>This is wrong, he's the progenitor of all 3 species, he's quite literally the 1st being to ever showcase powers. And eventually other people such as the ancestors and Ichibe developed powers. Heck all of...
Or it was referring to the broken abilities of the Almighty,
Or he has an OP unique Fullbring of his own.
Also, Ichibe's info dump strongly implied that the SK was not the first Fullbringer, so...
Nvm, it was Tokinada that implies that:
"The world did not always have its current form...
>It's not circular, it's what is clearly stated and supported by what I've already quoted and given evidence for. The Shard is their power source, that's a fact.
- Ginjo's quote: Although it was not clear what kind of influence this fragment
He only explains the Shard's...
>The entirety of their power is borne from the Shard.
This is exactly what I am disputing, so using this as a justification is backwards.
- Shards must be the source for the entirety of a Fullbringer's powers because Fullbringers cannot develop their own unique powers.
- Fullbringers are...
Just as possible that the ability is a power uniquely inherent to the individual.
For example, the zanpakuto born from a shinigami is unique to themselves, the form a hollow takes and the abilities they develop are unique to themselves, there are even quincies who held their own unique...
1. The Shard is the progenator of all of a Fullbringer's basic abilities.
2. The Shard acts as a subtitute Hogyoku of sorts
which leads them to their object of attachment.
Not what it said
3. The Shard lets them activate Fullbring,
and turn that object of attachment into a...
I find it to be more reasonable to assume that it is, in fact, the Fullbringer's feelings and perpective on the object in question that guides the path their Fullbrings take, and this fact that this fits with the whole 'manifest their desires' theme is more support for this argument.
The first one is almost certainly referring to them becoming Fullbringers, not the Fullbring itself
The second holds a bit more weight, yes, though it reeks of flowery language, and again, could be referring to the fact that the shard is what allows them to do so. This singular statement is not...
I'm absolutely fine with giving him the powers of, well his ow left and right hands, especially since it is very explicitly stated that the power they display is intrinsic to their being since it is the arms themselves using that power.
In support of giving him a likely for The...
Ginjo taking most of Ichigo's Fullbring does not guarantee that he stole the shard inside Ichigo because not only is Ichigo still a Fullbringer, you don't even need a Fullbring to be one eg. Aura
If that is acurate I direct you to a previous point regarding the fact the abilities the...
"By controlling Reishi which dwells in matter, a Fullbringer is able to distort and manipulate the matter itself, and at times, even the laws of physics. Moreover, they can invoke their very own abilities through the transfiguration of an object in their possession which they hold a particular...
I'm sure he could, but the only weapon we know he has for sure is a Bow
Edit: Actually nvm I could of sworn that I read that he killed the Hollow with an arrow, but it just said that he destroyed it... so as far as we know he has no weapon
Still disagree, we do not know if Hoffnung is a sword born from The Miracle or not, yes the Miracle can be channeled through it, but that does not mean that the functions of the sword are intrinsic to the heart .
The Byakuya situation is a bit different, since he directly interacted with Byakuya, and sparred with him, in the past, there is no reason not to scale him as comparablr to Byakuya. And Byakuya confirms it.
And they believed that for Ichigo even when they didn't see him in person. Until it is proven that Tsukishima changed their pasts enough that they were there for the final fight, Tsukishima has absolutely no feat of encountering God Aizen.
Who may or may not posess Hoffnung, the only object that this particular aspect of The Miracle was shown to work through. Asserting that the PSK could definitely use this apect without the sword (yes, he probably can) would be an assumption that isn't proven.
Wait, wait, when you say that Fullbringers can manipulate the souls of objects to a greater degree, do you mean to say that it is the object's soul that gives them their abilities? Otherwise I'm not sure where you are going with that.
The bond between a Fullbringer and their object can't be...
Meaning that even if this is the case, the SK would absolutely need the objects in question in order to use the abilities associated with it.
And back to my planned out/coincidence point.
Giriko just so happened to have bonded with a clock
Jackie just so happened to have a back story about...
Correct the basic functions of a Fullbringer is the ability to manipulate the souls of objects.
But what you are claiming, to reference my above examples:
The shard of the SK in Giriko inherently posesses an ability based around time.
The shard of the SK in Jackie inherently posesses the...
Taken form the novel
[Ginjo had predicted that the reason had to be because of something that was mixed into the Konpaku from before it was born. Although it was not clear what kind of influence this fragment of the Rei-o would have; Ginjo had assumed that just like Mimihagi-sama had taken...
What do you mean?
The old bartender (Giriko?) bonded with a pocket watch and developed an ability based around time
Jackie bonded with the boot she really hated getting dirty so she developed an ability around that
Yukio loves videogames, thus the abilities he developed are centered around...
Thats not what I read, they only ever said that the shards turn them into fullbringers (give them the characteristics of fullbringers), while it is the very basic characteristic of a fullbringer that allow them to bond with an object and develope their ow abilities. The PSK should indeed have...
I disagree with the PSK receiving every power of every fullbringer. To my inderstanding, the pieces of the SK in every fullbringer only ever provided the push the individual needed to trigger their own unique power.
Unless the abilities are explicitly said to come from the piece of the soul...
I'm pretty sure The Almighty is not a straight copying of abilities, again, Yhwach has only added abilities to his arsenal throught the giving and taking process described in canon. The Almighty is supreme hax, yes, but we have never seen him use it to add anything to himself through the future.
On a somewhat unrelated note, durin CFYOW, some characters noticed that Hikone's personality began to take on the echoes of Gremmy during the fight with Zaraki. If Gremmy dis indeed have the SK's brain, how much of his personality was influenced by the brain? Because if the Prime SK was actually...
I disagree with PSK having The Visionary on the basis of possessing the Almighty; we have never seen Yhwach use The Almighty straight up create and use an original power without taking it from someone else.
Ywach bestows his soul and greatly enhances what already exists within the subject, then...
I mean, that would just prove that Mimihagi doesn't have Type 2 if that is indeed the meaning behind having Type 2. And while I don't doubt that there are characters that are like that, I'm not so sure that all of the characters given T2 fit the bill.
Because nothing in the verse explicitly reveals that PSK is greater that SKYhwach.
I mean he probably is, but that uncertainty is exactly my point.
SKYwach's whole intention was to revert the Bleach verse to the state it was in before the PSK split it. At the lowest interpretation, that...