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  1. TheFinalOrder

    The Ultimate Chakra Thread, sure will show off some ULTIMATE SKILLZ and POGGERS that will give y'all the ULTIMATE OMEGA KCM LEVEL DEBUFF MENTAL DAZE!!

    I agree with everything but I will say there is one part that is faulty. Sasuke and his PS isn’t the best choice to use to justify Dojutsu > Physical Ability. At least Post-Six Paths Power Up. His Doujutsu and His Physical Body are both Enhanced by Six Paths Chakra AND Sasuke’s Physicals do...
  2. TheFinalOrder

    Ok, Let's Talk Kashin Koji (Boruto CRT)

    Kara: 1.)Jigen - Matched Naruto / Sasuke and at 100%, completely smacked them. 2.)Delta - Could Physically Match Naruto, Make him bleed and bruise him up with Strikes. 3.)KK - Could Fight Sub 10% Jigen and with SM Multiplier is in Naruto/Sasuke Ballpark. (Confident he could Take Delta but no...
  3. TheFinalOrder

    Ok, Let's Talk Kashin Koji (Boruto CRT)

    Why did I read your Username as Netflix? 🤣🤣
  4. TheFinalOrder

    Ok, Let's Talk Kashin Koji (Boruto CRT)

    We don’t have to know if he was. We have other evidences that prove that is the only logical case. Sub 10% Jigen isn’t 5-C. Bass Koji can fight him equally at that level. SM Koji is in the same Ball Park as Naruto and Sasuke due to the multiplier. We know Delta is also in that ballpark. We...
  5. TheFinalOrder

    Ok, Let's Talk Kashin Koji (Boruto CRT)

    Because unlike Code, KK actually have feats that say his Base Can’t do it. Only his SM has the power to contend with Delta and handle her. It would be like trying to scsle Boruto, Kawaki, Mitsuki and Sarada to 5-C just because they could fight and harm Boro who, in the manga, is implied to be...
  6. TheFinalOrder

    Ok, Let's Talk Kashin Koji (Boruto CRT)

    That Clash with Kaguya was her holding back, trying not to kill him and he only really gave her trouble after she wasted a shit ton of chakra.
  7. TheFinalOrder

    Ok, Let's Talk Kashin Koji (Boruto CRT)

    Disagree with KK scaling to 5-C in base. There is nothing to base that plus its nonsensical. Yes, KK was confident he could take on Delta but as stated before, as there was no fight, clash or anything, we can’t arbitrarily assert that “Base Koji” could do it. 10% Jigen is High 6-A+ Being at 10%...
  8. TheFinalOrder

    Boruto Characters Name Change

    Disagree. Its really pointless imo because “Boruto” is still apart of the “Naruto” Franchise. It’s its own IP sure but same world, history and characters. Unless other verses are doing this for continuations/spin-offs, I don’t think its necessary because Majority (& I’d argue everybody really...
  9. TheFinalOrder

    Posting Images Question

    I don't know where to find the thread that explains posting on the new forum. Can someone link or direct me?
  10. TheFinalOrder

    Delta vs Bambietta Basterbine vs Big Mom vs Erza Scarlett vs Merlin Vs Dorothy Unsworth vs Ryuko vs Crona vs Esdeath vs Chrome Dokuro vs Issei

    Pretty Sure Oro steals Bodies the by Soul Jumping as well via his Jutsu.
  11. TheFinalOrder

    Sakura Haruno vs Hinata Hyuuga

    Knowing Hyuga and having Battle Experience against GF are 2 totally different things. You can't claim that because she has known these people for years, she knows how to fight against their Taijutsu. That doesn't work like that. And Not all Taijutsu is the same. Even then, Hinata was trained...
  12. TheFinalOrder

    Sakura Haruno vs Hinata Hyuuga

    Tbh if this is truly your view then clearly you must not have been reading Naruto. This isn't up for debate, really. GF bypasses durability and Sakura has no resistance to that. And no, if so much as 1 Chakra Point is hit, Sakura CC is screwed up and she wont be one shotting anybody. That is fact.
  13. TheFinalOrder

    Naruto vs Ichigo vs Luffy vs Asta vs Natsu vs Meliodas vs Deku Vs Rei

    Honestly, that goes both ways. It doesn't matter how far into the future you can see if your opponent still knows or can predict your next action before you make it. So it cancels out really imo. You realize this is just an assumption on your part, right? And Mind you, the danger for each...
  14. TheFinalOrder

    Naruto vs Ichigo vs Luffy vs Asta vs Natsu vs Meliodas vs Deku Vs Rei

    Um..... I'm pretty sure Madara claps.
  15. TheFinalOrder

    Naruto vs Ichigo vs Luffy vs Asta vs Natsu vs Meliodas vs Deku Vs Rei

    Why're saying Naruto is weak to cutting damage?
  16. TheFinalOrder

    Naruto vs Ichigo vs Luffy vs Asta vs Natsu vs Meliodas vs Deku Vs Rei

    Has anyone brought up SM's Extended Melee Range and Naruto's Durability Negation via Frog Slaps?
  17. TheFinalOrder

    Sakura Haruno vs Hinata Hyuuga

    All it takes is 1 hit to screw up Sakura's CC and thus her Strength. And let's not forget the Hyuga can easily One Shot individuals by attacking their torso area. Sakura's Healing can't restart a stopped heart. Hinata has Ranged options of doing just that with Air Palm which is also invisible...
  18. TheFinalOrder

    Sakura Haruno vs Hinata Hyuuga

    Hinata. Sakura doesn't have a response to GF and Hinata can take away her healing and strength by blocking her pathway systems. In addition when TLF is used, Sakura's Chakra will be absorbed if she goes h2h and get hit. Hinata also has ranged superiority here. Sakura doesn't have responses to...
  19. TheFinalOrder

    Obito Uchiha (not Juubito) (and those who scale) Speed Downgrade

    Iirc, Obito reacted to Six Paths Madara before he absorbed some of his Six Paths Chakra but i'm not 100% sure it was before. He also reacted to BM Naruto on 2 occasions.
  20. TheFinalOrder

    Captain Juubito: Civil War (+Top tiers scaling stuff)

    True, all three are but the issue here is the tier is extremely variable and you can't just simply say they're relative by virtue of being in the same tier. "Unknown" is "Unknown" thus even saying they're relative is based on "Unknowns". There is a flaw in your logic here. You're bringing up...
  21. TheFinalOrder

    Captain Juubito: Civil War (+Top tiers scaling stuff)

    Will reply to this later.
  22. TheFinalOrder

    Captain Juubito: Civil War (+Top tiers scaling stuff)

    The issue with your logic here is that it goes against what the Manga asserts. Yes, the Juubi-Jins are cloaked in Juubi's Chakra but Kishimoto has made a clear and concise effort to show a difference in how they're affected. Point in Case: (1)We know Juubi-Jins/Six Paths Characters...
  23. TheFinalOrder

    Captain Juubito: Civil War (+Top tiers scaling stuff)

    SM only is a weakness to them physically. It doesn't weaken their chakra. Furthermore it expressly stated that the TSB only can't nullify or erase Jutsu with NE. NE doesn't weaken the TSB.
  24. TheFinalOrder

    Captain Juubito: Civil War (+Top tiers scaling stuff)

    Seriously disagree with OP's stance on BSM Naruto and CM Susanoo. For starters, saying that the Chakra Arms and TSB are somewhat relative to each other thus BSM Naruto's feats against them should be discounted is nonsensical imo. The entire argument is an appeal to incredulity. We're talking...
  25. TheFinalOrder

    Base Momoshiki and Kinshiki downgrade

    Well, I have always said this, to the dismay of others, but SPSM isn't an AP / Strength Boost for Naruto. His Base is just as strong as Sasuke's (Just their Base Speed Isn't Equal) and he uses Six Paths Chakra in Base As Well. People are "just" starting to see what i have always been saying.
  26. TheFinalOrder

    Base Momoshiki and Kinshiki downgrade

    There is something I want to point out and i'm not sure if it has been addressed yet (There are a lot of comments) but Momoshiki retains all Jutsu he absorbs. He even told Boruto and co when faced with the Father-Son Rasengan that he could make as many as those as he wanted. As far as the...
  27. TheFinalOrder

    Naruto Revisions: High 6-A Downgrade + PS and Kurama Scaling

    I didn't even think of this...o3o
  28. TheFinalOrder

    Naruto Revisions: High 6-A Downgrade + PS and Kurama Scaling

    Oh, that feat. That actually supports the notion. He decided to deactivate KCM. The recoil of the Rasengan didn't knock him out of it.
  29. TheFinalOrder

    Naruto Revisions: High 6-A Downgrade + PS and Kurama Scaling

    He couldn't. He was physically restrained by Hashirama's power. Hashirama even believed the same would occur with Juubito but was shocked when Juubito shattered it. You can't say, "Juubi never tried". The entire point of the feat is to illistrate Juubito is superior to Juubi in this instance...
  30. TheFinalOrder

    Naruto Revisions: High 6-A Downgrade + PS and Kurama Scaling

    A clone got hit, not Naruto proper. This argument is faulty because there is no real feat in the series of Naruto in any form being hit by his own jutsu. There are only 2 instances, first use of FRS against Kakuzu and his clone being destroyed by his own jutsu (Well, 3 actually. I forgot Kn6...
  31. TheFinalOrder

    Naruto Revisions: High 6-A Downgrade + PS and Kurama Scaling

    And again, Juubito scales at least to Juubi's physicals. He physically broke out of restraints from SM Hashirama and i'll bring this up again, Juubito/Six Paths Madara is no different than SPSM Naruto whose Durability and Stats scale to/above his Tailed Beasts physicals. It makes 0 sense to...
  32. TheFinalOrder

    Naruto Revisions: High 6-A Downgrade + PS and Kurama Scaling

    I disagree with this whole, "It was in Naruto's head" argument. Be that as it may, chakra was still involved and being used and it is expressly noted to not be the same as when Naruto see's Kurama in the inner world. So i'm sorry but trying to just write it off as nothing is extremely faulty and...
  33. TheFinalOrder

    Naruto Revisions: High 6-A Downgrade + PS and Kurama Scaling

    This is false. TSB > Juubito Chakra Arms > Hokage Barrier > Juubi TBB > TPC. BSM Naruto's only feats consist of: 1.)Destroying the Chakra Arms. 2.)Cracking/Shattering the TSB (One Time with Minato, one time with Sasuke and finally by himself, completely shattering Obito's TSB shield via his...
  34. TheFinalOrder

    Naruto Revisions: High 6-A Downgrade + PS and Kurama Scaling

    This is thread was meant to be a Downgrade of the High 6-A stat for Madara and Hashirama, right? Well that notion clearly failed (No offense to WoI, he's my boy but still). Hashirama has feats putting him above the incomplete juubi in SM and he scales from BSM Naruto who has consistent High 6-A...
  35. TheFinalOrder

    Naruto Revisions: High 6-A Downgrade + PS and Kurama Scaling

    Juubito's body is literally cloaked in Juubi's Hide, just Like Madara's body is cloaked in Juubi's chakra. It makes no sense to say they wouldn't scale to Juubi's stats at least when Naruto, who is in a similar position to them via cloaked in chakra proves his durability and stats scale. Even...
  36. TheFinalOrder

    Naruto Revisions: High 6-A Downgrade + PS and Kurama Scaling

    I disagree with this for a fundamental reason. Madara's statement is being attributed to being a comparison of "AP" in this thread. This is false as Hashirama and Madara respectively have feats and scaling (Unless I missed something) that puts them over 100% Kurama. Not only this but Madara's...
  37. TheFinalOrder

    Update for Boruto Profiles (Naruto - Sasuke - Boruto)

    I think that the Smoke Bombs should be listed under Sasuke's Equipment. They're not "Standard" Ninja Equipment and highly specialized. Also, I think they should state exactly as Sasuke states, "Clairvoyant Powers". It was used against Byakugan, yes, but had it only been a response to Byakugan...
  38. TheFinalOrder

    AP revisions for BC

    Does Asta actually scale to these feats? He nulls Magic and thus null AP and Durability via Mana Skin. I don't remember his own Strength actually being that high.
  39. TheFinalOrder

    Chakra and the Soul (for Naruto at least)

    I agree with this (Though this is a Nitpick, Gyuki's tails does regrow). I have pushed this for years but you made the thread. Wonderful.
  40. TheFinalOrder

    The Big Bleach Speed CRT

    First Point: You're assuming Authors Intent. It doesn't really matter if you're correct or not but in that Scene, Kubo is inconsistent. Rukia who is in the Light is still shaded same as Aaroniero. You can't arguing the Shading Matters for XYZ and in the Same Page/Chapter argue that it doesn't...
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