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  1. Xulrev

    Bleach Timestop

    Hellscream, nobody here is making any of the claims you suppose. You are ascribing traits and ideals to arguments nobody is making. We are simply stating "We can observably see the sky is blue, so we have it rated as Blue". Your response is to question "So you are stating the sky can never be...
  2. Xulrev

    Bleach Timestop

    This thread definitely needs closed, it's a classic fallacious argument type called Hasty Generalization. To wit, you form a conclusion from incomplete data and justify it with extraneous reasoning. "Yhwach SHOULD be able to resist it because why else wouldn't it be used unless he resists it...
  3. Xulrev

    One Piece - Water 7 Arc Luffy & Usopp Revision

    But it's still a flat 10x boost, you haven't negated that core concept. And I did indeed address the thought that dials require input and set up, which is why Nami's comment probably was not solely about raw attack potency, since things not dealing with strength or striking were included on that...
  4. Xulrev

    One Piece - Water 7 Arc Luffy & Usopp Revision

    So you actually do agree with my point, that she was including Reject Dials, which multiply an attack tenfold, into this? Since it was also a ranked technique? Because review my earlier point then, because that flat out makes the entire statement absolute bunk, there is no way stabbing someone...
  5. Xulrev

    One Piece - Water 7 Arc Luffy & Usopp Revision

    But they're listed in the poll, the one Nami explicitly is referencing. It's in the technique section, rank 27th. Shigan was ranked 25th in that very poll, and Nami explicitly says the 25th fan-ranked one was actually the strongest.
  6. Xulrev

    One Piece - Water 7 Arc Luffy & Usopp Revision

    Just reading the scan of Nami claiming that, I sort of think context is key on the Shigan claim: Reject Dials aren't listed as the strongest technique available, when we know for a fact they absorb a hit and redirect ten times the force that was absorbed: are we going to sit here and claim...
  7. Xulrev

    One Piece - Water 7 Arc Luffy & Usopp Revision

    I highlighted the part where you just outright agree with my point.
  8. Xulrev

    One Piece - Water 7 Arc Luffy & Usopp Revision

    Yeah this is insanely clear that the feat in question exhibits explicit spring properties, considering that is Luffy's entire powerset. KT seems to have simply made a slight error in their recollection of the site rule on this sort of feat, so it's not a huge deal, but that entire discussion...
  9. Xulrev

    One Piece - Water 7 Arc Luffy & Usopp Revision

    So if you lift a human being holding a 10kg mass, and that human being is 100kg, are you going to sit there and tell me that you yourself are not lifting 110kg of mass? That somehow, the 10kg simply evaporates from the system by basis of gravity no longer working because that mass is being held...
  10. Xulrev

    One Piece - Water 7 Arc Luffy & Usopp Revision

    So if I'm in an airplane holding ten tons of lead by a rope, do you believe the airplane is not responsible for keeping that weight mid-air? I'm carrying the weight, yes, but how is it staying mid-air? The answer: the plane is holding it. Same thing here Regardless yeah not being hostile but I...
  11. Xulrev

    One Piece - Water 7 Arc Luffy & Usopp Revision

    Honestly, it's not hostility, it's my being flabbergasted at the inability to grasp core concepts that keep the site tenable. It's just as Kuroi said, and as you yourself later said with how science do just be like that. And it is frustrating to have people try to disagree with the raw...
  12. Xulrev

    One Piece - Water 7 Arc Luffy & Usopp Revision

    It is astounding to have to go through this thread and see people reiterate, over two dozen times, that putting a weight into your fist and swinging with it somehow DOES NOT increase the force you're hitting with, and that your natural exertion is equivalent regardless because "well you can pick...
  13. Xulrev

    One Piece - Water 7 Arc Luffy & Usopp Revision

    Considering I engaged it, have kept discussion to the core of the OP, you're quite off base. What's absurdly evident is blind FRA at wall of text. I am aware of your conjecture, thanks for the tl;dr of what I read though. Doesn't engage the Usopp scaling and momentum or literally most of the...
  14. Xulrev

    One Piece - Water 7 Arc Luffy & Usopp Revision

    That's sort of what happen when 50% of what you say doesn't address a straightforward point, no?
  15. Xulrev

    One Piece - Water 7 Arc Luffy & Usopp Revision

    And just to further this point: any movement I make on the rope? Has the jet's momentum already factored into that motion. Same as Luffy. Hopefully you get it now
  16. Xulrev

    One Piece - Water 7 Arc Luffy & Usopp Revision

    @SnookB Let me ask this another way: If I am sitting in a jumbo jet, and I have a solid piece of rope somehow dangling outside the jet and attached to that rope is a 10,000 ton gigantic iron weight, your argument would be the same as saying "The jet isn't actually lifting the weight because...
  17. Xulrev

    One Piece - Water 7 Arc Luffy & Usopp Revision

    See, you really don't get physics at all, so that's why I asked you to not derail. Luffy is literally letting the ball dangle behind him off the back of the bike, therefore the bike is lifting the ball into the sky with its forward momentum. By your interpretation, Luffy is somehow levitating...
  18. Xulrev

    One Piece - Water 7 Arc Luffy & Usopp Revision

    I do not know how to engage something fundamentally inapplicable. The flying bike being forced in any other direction does not negate the upward momentum it generated to catch a several hundred ton ball of gold with Luffy attached such that it entirely halted his downward momentum, and dragged...
  19. Xulrev

    One Piece - Water 7 Arc Luffy & Usopp Revision

    By laws of physics, it still does. If it's in forward motion and you leap off it, you have its added momentum. This is literally misinformed physics, full stop, you are wrong.
  20. Xulrev

    One Piece - Water 7 Arc Luffy & Usopp Revision

    @SnookB It's unfortunate you're just missing the point entirely. Imagine you're on a car The car is moving forward You leap forward off the car You have the car's momentum added to your own So again: how is Luffy using solely his own strength to manipulate the ball for Golden Peony...
  21. Xulrev

    One Piece - Water 7 Arc Luffy & Usopp Revision

    What? I have zero clue how anyone is liking your comments, read the chapter before commenting again please: https://scans-hot.leanbox.us/manga/One-Piece-Digital-Colored-Comics/0297-008.png Nami literally is zooming directly upward on a bike that can easily overcome the ball's weight, he then...
  22. Xulrev

    One Piece - Water 7 Arc Luffy & Usopp Revision

    You mean when he had the assistance of a motorized piece of equipment to leap off of and utilize that forward momentum to flail the ball around? Inertia is a thing
  23. Xulrev

    One Piece - Water 7 Arc Luffy & Usopp Revision

    Tbh, this is a huge misconception everyone is missing with Damage's OP. Hand me a sledgehammer I can't meaningfully wield as a weapon in combat, but then add 200 feet of bungee cord to it, hand me the bungee, and let the snap-back of the cord aid my flinging the hammer forward, and tell me...
  24. Xulrev

    Kengan - speed upgrade.

    We did, I simply did not feel the need to address someone coming in without reading the thread to blindly FRA, truth be told. I appreciate someone pointing it out, however, thank you.
  25. Xulrev

    Kengan - speed upgrade.

    I will confirm I am okay with this since Foresight explicitly does just give those users better pre-movement capability and it is combat applicable. But I was firm on not upgrading the raw speed of anyone in the verse. And the Medel scans needed calling out, let's be real.
  26. Xulrev

    Kengan - speed upgrade.

    You use this but didn't read my scan. Gaolang explicitly states, verbatim, "I can read you". He never once uses Flash to hit Medel. Your explicit claim was "Flash got so fast it can hit Foresight users". You then link Gaolang checking Medel with a jab, which occurs after my scan wherein he...
  27. Xulrev

    Kengan - speed upgrade.

    I already address this feat above, for one. A whip's tip goes supersonic for quite literally a couple milliseconds due to a loop coiling throughout the entirety of its length and then snapping. Reacting to the whip's tip is not a supersonic feat. Also everyone in this thread continues to state...
  28. Xulrev

    Kengan - speed upgrade.

    I'm busy too Gin, so I'll just say this for right now: We have explicit scans with narration objectively stating from the writer how quickly specific feats occur (reaction times, Cosmo's Zone, etc). Those are feats. Trying to claim we cannot accept statements that disagree with art is innately...
  29. Xulrev

    Kengan - speed upgrade.

    I trust you do, but realistically you can't contend with Lolong himself, the alpha dog of Omega up until just 45 chapters ago, being downright flabbergasted that someone had reaction times on par with Nicholas' 78 milliseconds. Look at art all you want, the explicit authorial intent is there...
  30. Xulrev

    Kengan - speed upgrade.

    Gin, They're not breaking the sound barrier, and the color commentator clearly states "I can BARELY follow them with my eyes", which means an ordinary human being can track supersonic strikes now? No. What? Medel weaves it. Gaolang ends up hitting Medel by predicting his movement, not by...
  31. Xulrev

    Kengan - speed upgrade.

    Oh and for the whole "it's Omega not Ashura they're different now"; the exact same fighters are still relevant. Are you claiming that because 3 years of timeskips occurred the entirety of humanity in this world magically became several dozens of times faster? Give me a break
  32. Xulrev

    Kengan - speed upgrade.

    So how is https://imgur.io/a/MFAzlQM breaking the sound barrier? Their impacts make a very loud sound when hitting. I would enjoy objective proof, PROOF mind you, that they broke the sound barrier. For reference, you cut off the rest of the feat in that album, wherein Gaolong explicitly states...
  33. Xulrev

    Kengan - speed upgrade.

    Oh and of course the fact that Raian Kure couldn't dodge a crossbow bolt, regardless of scaling above Rei, in a fight where he was explicitly dodging harmful attacks
  34. Xulrev

    Kengan - speed upgrade.

    Gonna just re-post this from the last time we had to have this argument over something pretty blatantly obvious. I'm the progenitor of the Against side. As such, here's more context: One of the only bullet dodges in Kengan has the person performing it immediately stating it's only possible...
  35. Xulrev

    Bleach Fade to Black Seireitei Statement

    Random fun fact, it's not just VIZ that does this. "A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step." Super famous saying even in the West, right? The original is "A journey of a thousand li(the Chinese version of literally what we are discussing here for Soul Society) begins with a...
  36. Xulrev

    Bleach Fade to Black Seireitei Statement

    It's why authorial intent and explicit statement are a useful tool. Art can't be assumed an end-all-be-all since scale cannot be properly conveyed in an area as limited as a page, but one's chosen words will be precise and effective and always be indicative of one's intent and true thoughts...
  37. Xulrev

    On Sera EX

    Hey now that people finally recognize this, I may actually come back to the wiki. Sorta ridiculous it took this long to realize how easily someone could manipulate the entirety of the upper staff echelons on word alone, but this is progress I am happy to see. Especially since Bambu gets some...
  38. Xulrev

    One Piece God Tiers and Top Tiers Revision

    It's almost like people didn't even read the damn opening to the battle before Whitebeard even got in physically close. Completely agreed on this point entirely
  39. Xulrev

    One Piece God Tiers and Top Tiers Revision

    Well, the tsunami feat relied on everyone simply waiting around to see the result of his quake, and then the two tsunami waves arrived after several extended conversations occurred. Not terribly combat-applicable if you ask me, considering the length of time it requires in a verse full of...
  40. Xulrev

    One Piece God Tiers and Top Tiers Revision

    I see we missed a part
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