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  1. Dashio_Tessai

    Shadow Fight Upgrade That Should Have Been Done In The Past

    Well, the changes regarding the tiers have been applied, so maybe close the thread? If anybody wants some other changes they should just make a new thread. This one is already dragging on for too long.
  2. Dashio_Tessai

    Shadow Fight Upgrade That Should Have Been Done In The Past

    And again, how would Stranger even get his hands back on Shadow Mind (World Slicer) if this Arena scenario were to actually happen? Does he show up in Arena's timeline and just yanks Shadow Mind back to himself? Because this doesn't happen in Arena as things currently stand. We don't even know...
  3. Dashio_Tessai

    Shadow Fight Upgrade That Should Have Been Done In The Past

    That wouldn't be the case because we clearly see Shadow Mind in the form of the World Slicer katana being wielded by Stranger in events that take place after the Finale.
  4. Dashio_Tessai

    Shadow Fight Upgrade That Should Have Been Done In The Past

    At this point are we powerscaling a mobile game series based on casual messages sent on a Discord server, or based on what appears in said video games? You know, game developers spewing out nonsense about their verse's powerscaling is nothing new and has happened many times before (i.e. Ed Boon...
  5. Dashio_Tessai

    Shadow Fight Upgrade That Should Have Been Done In The Past

    I've just made the changes. If you refer to Countess creating a new timeline for each time jump made by her (since Underworld is now canon to SF3 it should have the same time travel mechanics), then that wouldn't count. Just like how Stranger isn't Low 2-C physically via time travel. It's just...
  6. Dashio_Tessai

    Shadow Fight Upgrade That Should Have Been Done In The Past

    Alright then. But I forgot to tackle Shadow's tier after this. I would suggest a "Low 2-C" upgrade for him from fighting and defeating Tenebris and Architect. He wouldn't 100% scale to Tenebris' "At least Low 2-C, possibly higher" tier since as I mentioned in this thread Shadow was helped by...
  7. Dashio_Tessai

    Shadow Fight Upgrade That Should Have Been Done In The Past

    Sure thing. Tenebris' current tier and explanations found on his profile are just fine as they are. I wouldn't go as far as to say he could destroy all of Shadow Fight when using his full power since at least to me he doesn't have any bussiness holding so much strength that he could suddenly...
  8. Dashio_Tessai

    Shadow Fight Upgrade That Should Have Been Done In The Past

    Wasn't trying to prove 5D. Wasn't trying to prove 5D. Wasn't trying to prove 5D. Great, thanks ! Since the question about the range has been bugging me for a while. It is what made me consider a 5D rating in the context of the portrayal of the Real World mimicking ours and its people being...
  9. Dashio_Tessai

    Shadow Fight Upgrade That Should Have Been Done In The Past

    To be fair this is stuff we already know from the event. That is Architect's role and the event being a case of inverse 4th-wall breaking.
  10. Dashio_Tessai

    Shadow Fight Upgrade That Should Have Been Done In The Past

    So now that we've poked the "is the Real World 5D" hornet's nest again, let's start off by clarifying something. TL;DR at the end since after that I start arguing about the game. The old Reality-Fiction Transcendence page Was merely a tool handed by the VSB Wiki to people which allowed them to...
  11. Dashio_Tessai

    Shadow Fight Upgrade That Should Have Been Done In The Past

    The irony of this is that if a character qualifies for the old standards, he wouldn't qualify for the new ones. And if he qualifies for the new standards, he wouldn't qualify for the old ones. Basically he cannot qualify for both the old and new standards simultaneously. And oh man if the old...
  12. Dashio_Tessai

    Shadow Fight Upgrade That Should Have Been Done In The Past

    You do have a point. Not scaling to the Portal from Underworld but to the Void from SF3. Though I'll be honest I don't really know how this can be compatible with Shadow's tier. Because we assume the Underworld special / limited-time events take place before Shadow defeats Tenebris (since it...
  13. Dashio_Tessai

    Shadow Fight Upgrade That Should Have Been Done In The Past

    This would be the best outcome for him, in my opinion. Because if we establish that the Real World is a Low 1-C structure, but scale him physically to such tier, then logically speaking he would be one of the weakest Low 1-C characters on the wiki. Why? Because (at least to me) it would be...
  14. Dashio_Tessai

    Shadow Fight Upgrade That Should Have Been Done In The Past

    Well, seeing as how people don't agree with Architect's R-F Transcendence (mainly because he loses to / is harmed by one of his ficitonal characters in combat), I'd say there are three paths that he could be tiered. 1. Keep him at Tenebris' tier (At least Low 2-C, possibly higher), and mention...
  15. Dashio_Tessai

    Tenebris 2-B Upgrade

    Honestly I think Tenebris' tier should stay as it is now (At least Low 2-C, possibly higher), and give Underworld Shadow a similar tier, but like thousands of times lower into it than Tenebris (because Tenebris' defeat is a cooperation between "thousands" of warriors and Shadow). Maybe it would...
  16. Dashio_Tessai

    Shadow Fight Upgrade That Should Have Been Done In The Past

    Because on the low(high)-key 90% of SF profile pages are outdated ghost towns that should be purged. And I'm saying this as the guy responsible for creating all of them. Why the purge? Because in the last two years this series grew tenfold in lore size, causing it to be progresively harder to...
  17. Dashio_Tessai

    Shadow Fight Upgrade That Should Have Been Done In The Past

    Its events and characters are simply part of another timeline now. Not part of the worlds that appear in stuff like Shadow Fight 3 and Arena, but still part of the same narrative regardless, or I guess "bigger picture" one could say.
  18. Dashio_Tessai

    Low 1-C Upgrade (sf)

    About 3 days ago a lore-bomb of an event dropped in the canon interquel Shadow Fight: Shades game that pretty much turned all of Underworld and its characters canon overnight. They are simply considered as part of a different timeline from what we see going on in Shadow Fight: Shades, Shadow...
  19. Dashio_Tessai

    Tenebris 2-B Upgrade

    Honestly I suppose this is a clear example of in-verse powerscaling logic not being wholly compatible with how powerscaling is done on this wiki. I'd find it weird for Tenebris to not be rated at least at Low 2-C, given the blatant description in that scan that claims he could easily pull off...
  20. Dashio_Tessai

    Tenebris 2-B Upgrade

    The idea is that throughout the story of Underworld, Shadow does not undergo any power-ups in the story to imply that he reached Tenebris' power level right before fighting him. I assume Richard means to say that Shadow was on Tenerbis' level all along (At least Low 2-C, possibly Higher), and so...
  21. Dashio_Tessai

    Tenebris 2-B Upgrade

    The "higher" refers to the multiple interpretations and tiers that come with them. "Which should at least refer to the boundless universe in which Shadow resides [1, 2, 3][9]" (Low 2-C), "if not possibly the rest of the world which includes at least thousands of alternative timelines [1, 2...
  22. Dashio_Tessai

    Low 1-C Upgrade (sf)

    That's not really how it works, though. Keys are not so extreme that they separate canon from the non-canon in a profile. Whenever there are two (or more) notable versions of a character, but each from a different continuity, then multiple profiles are made for each of those versions. That's...
  23. Dashio_Tessai

    Low 1-C Upgrade (sf)

    Ah yes my apologies. I was looking at it through the lenses of merging Underworld to what is considered to be the canon continuity of the verse. So merging the two Shadow profiles together. But that's a story for another time. (Although it is not uncommon at all on the wiki for profiles to have...
  24. Dashio_Tessai

    Low 1-C Upgrade (sf)

    Honestly I'd rather give the characters relevant to the Event story a separate key or something where they are rated at Low 1-C, which should only include Shadow. And have the key named "Meet the Maker" since that is the name of the event. Tenebris getting a similar key is out of pocket since...
  25. Dashio_Tessai

    Low 1-C Upgrade (sf)

    Agreed FRA.
  26. Dashio_Tessai

    Tenebris 2-B Upgrade

    Yes they are from alternate timelines but should we assume that Tenebris had anything to do with their creation to begin with? He doesn't state that he created all the worlds, only that he created worlds. "All the power to mold and shape reality like fresh clay, to create anew." Am I seriously...
  27. Dashio_Tessai

    Tenebris 2-B Upgrade

    I don't recall any profile on the wiki that even tackles the issue if they are universes or not. Actually, there's nothing I see that even suggests they are universes to begin with. They could be, but low-balling take priority in tiering. The way I read this statement in the biggest low-ball...
  28. Dashio_Tessai

    Tenebris 2-B Upgrade

    Rather, "terra incognito" would refer to "unknown territory" and not necessarily to a planet or ground, at least in this context. The Portal is quite similar to Bleach's Garganta, where it's an emptiness that stretches out to infinity and devours anything that exists inside of it. But when...
  29. Dashio_Tessai

    Tenebris 2-B Upgrade

    The scan comes from here. Almost 4 years ago when Shadow Fight was getting its ass whooped on the forums I reached out to this individual called Shadow Fighter on Discord. Back then, Shadow Fight did not have any official western Discord server, but its most popular fan server could be accessed...
  30. Dashio_Tessai

    Tenebris 2-B Upgrade

    Honestly I'd say the "time and space are his toys" quote in that paragraph would refer to his ability to BFR June out of the future and bring her to the present. And the "He knows what will happen to the world of Shadow Fight in years to come" would be a given seeing as how he wields the...
  31. Dashio_Tessai

    Tenebris 2-B Upgrade

    Agreed on this. And to add a bit more detail to this, both Shadow Fight's official Facebook and VK pages made a post about 5 years ago during April Fools' Day regarding an update to Underworld's storyline. The Facebook post speaks about how Tenebris was struggling to calculate the amount of...
  32. Dashio_Tessai

    Low 1-C Upgrade (sf)

    But then again, giving Shadow a tier based on an ability which he doesn't have access to just feels wrong. Based on the way you describe his Low 1-C it would mean he'd use it against like 0.5% of characters on this wiki who happen to pull off what Architect does. Literally worthless. Yakko can...
  33. Dashio_Tessai

    Low 1-C Upgrade (sf)

    I'm down for Architect being Low 1-C, but I'm neutral on Shadow's tier. If you mean to say that Shadow Fight 2's world was suddenly "equalized" with the Real World when the 4th Wall separating them was broken by Architect, only for things to go back to normal once the Architect left and sealed...
  34. Dashio_Tessai

    Low 1-C Upgrade (sf)

    I wouldn't bother with those two statements to prove that the cosmology of the Underworld continuity is 2-B, since 1. By the time Act VII of SF2 rolled out, the word "planes" had no implication of being anything close to a 2-C structure like it does in SF3, which started using that word in its...
  35. Dashio_Tessai

    Shadow Low 1-C Upgrade

    Keep in mind the fight still takes place in the fictional dojo of Shadow Fight 2, and the "Real World" is beyond that shattered 4th Wall gateway. Perhaps Architect became "less real" / fictional once he stepped into Shadow Fight 2, and this is just a case of Immersion on his part. If Yakko is...
  36. Dashio_Tessai

    Shadow Low 1-C Upgrade

    I'd say it's still unknown if this guy actually exists in the same Real World as the Player (who is easily Low 1-C in this case). But then again, Architect calling himself "the creator of Shadow Fight 2" would imply that he somewhat exists outside of the game altogether like the Player...
  37. Dashio_Tessai

    Shadow Low 1-C Upgrade

    Collector currently is going around conquering Void territories, making an army and trying to enter the Realm of Infinity. Stranger currently opposes him and is trying to recreate the Shadow World planet to return there with the rest of the Demons. Monkey King, while he does have a couple of...
  38. Dashio_Tessai

    Shadow Low 1-C Upgrade

    An Architect upgrade? Sure, but I can already see people bring the argument that him viewing the verse as fiction is simply because he's got a super potent Plot Manipulation over it, and not because he is necessarily physically stronger than such cosmology. But if you mean upgrade the verse...
  39. Dashio_Tessai

    Shadow Low 1-C Upgrade

    So yeah, the comology is pretty grand. But the writers are completely uninterested in writing Godly characters in the verse that would get to the tier of the cosmology. This is no gacha mobile game where you'd find anime girls casually destroying a Solar System in the intro of the game's story...
  40. Dashio_Tessai

    Shadow Low 1-C Upgrade

    It's funny, because if you ask an english version player of SF3 to give you a 2-A statement, all they'll give you is vague "countless" statements. But if you ask a french guy the same question, he'll readily give you a borderline 2-A statement because the french version has that. So yeah, 2-A...
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