ReaperAndBlues
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Not if Haki overpowers it
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Duel of the Deuteragonists Vol. 2: Moss vs Sauce
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So then why you talking about chakra and df’s…
Doflamingo’s haki could negate luffy’s blunt force resistance, luffy’s haki combined with his abilities could negate doffy’s haki negating his resistance
Too bad layers are accepted and are on the profiles
Godernet
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Haki's not overpowering layered hax
the point of layered hax is that you can't overpower them if you're not on the same tiering
and layered haki doesn't mean layered "every DF ability in existence"
ReaperAndBlues
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Haki IS layered hax. And layered powernull.
Godernet
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when i say DFs im talking about the abilities, not the fruits, i thought that was obv
im not touching the layers, that parts irrelevant cause layered haki doesnt mean layered hax resistance, it just means layered haki
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Then the 10-7 vote are wrong… since currently haki doesn’t only resist against df’s
Godernet
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layered DF powernull(which honestly isn't even right in its own regard.)
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They combine haki with their abilities wtf you on about?
Haki is what makes the abilities layered
ReaperAndBlues
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Sasuke:
- Better Versatility
- Better stamina against KoH
- Better base AP
- Better overall range with more techniques
Zoro:
- More skilled
- Better precog
- Better speed and reaction amps, some of which are blitzes
- Dura neg
- Higher AP via Hao infusion and has one shot capabilities with KoH
- Higher LS
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Godernet
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stronger haki negates the weaker haki of others which allows powers to work.
if your haki is stronger then your opponents your ability works and you can make attempts at resisting theirs.
Haki doesn't make someone's mind manip or soul manip layered.
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Zoro FRA.
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Haki makes their abilities stronger and negate other haki… stop talking if you don’t know what your talking about
Godernet
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"stronger" isnt layered
Haki negating other haki to allow abilties to work isn't layered resistance to all hax.
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It is. Read the layers thread evaluation.
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Godernet
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'''Layering''' is the ability to break through resistances to one's ability/hax. Successfully using an ability against a resistant character means that the ability is "layered." Further, resisting a layered ability is an indication of layered resistance, so on and so forth. An ability becoming stronger does not automatically mean it is layered unless it is shown to overcome a resistance. Crucially this is not the same as resistance negation, against which layering is irrelevant.
Haki breaking through other Haki to make abilities effective isn't layered resistance to all DF Hax universally.
Not to mention like I said, the page only has Haki affecting DFs, temperature manip isn't conventional hax so it wouldnt be treated the same.
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and yall wonder why people find the OP vs Naruto threads tiring.
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It doesn’t, stop blatantly lying… ignoring haki resistance to sanji’s heat to support your argument ain’t it
It’s accepted as layer resistance, you saying otherwise doesn’t matter
ReaperAndBlues
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I honestly thought this would go like the Luffy vs Naruto thread. Guess I was wrong.
Godernet
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you keep saying that yet I've posted proof via standards and the page.
for DFs
Godernet
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whats funnier about all the back and forth is that this Sauce is about to be upgraded which might make this match get deleted no matter who wins later
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For abilities
You ain’t post no proof… all you did was show how layering works… which got accepted on the thread
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I have one last thing to ask; is Haki as limited as Chakra in terms of reserves? Or is it more like an at-will enhancement. I know Sasuke has an exorbitant amount of Chakra to spend, but at surface level running out of Chakra looks like it would be a clear detriment to him-- if the fight is prolonged.
Godernet
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stop being a semanitics goon
whether or not I say DFs or DF abilities doesn't change anything.
all I did was post the description of hax layering that contradicted your "stronger abilities = layered abilities" comment
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Haki can be overused but it regains very fast
The only one I have seen have ran out of haki fully is Luffy with gear 4 since he’s forcefully overusing haki other people are able to fight for 10 days with using haki (like the admirals we’re doing)
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as far as I know, only the observation haki expire.
but there is a situation where you can't use haki for a certain period of time, as in gear 4.
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Haki can kill a user when overused. But Zoro has a very, VERY, high tolerance and endurance when it comes to Haki. Plus, Haki can be recovered quite quickly, and Kenbun barely uses any if not none, as long as you have the mindset to use it.
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It does change because the abilities from df’s are the same as anything else, they not magic based
It does not… it’s accepted on the layer thread that Stronger = layers for haki
An ability becoming stronger does not automatically mean it is layered unless it is shown to overcome a resistance.
It is shown and accepted.
Godernet
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they can both use their ap for a long time but they both have caveats.
En-O Zoro depletes his Haki faster, albeit a fresh Zoro would probably last longer than one running on nothing but the mink-drug.
Sasuke can fight for more than 12 hours while low on chakra, but if he's forced to dimension hop his chakra gets cooked after a few uses (though i dont think he'll be using it in this fight."
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I agree, but I think it would be a bit ridiculous to use haki for 10 days continuously, I think they may have fought only with their fruits for a certain period of time.
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If they only fought with their df, they they wouldn’t be able to damage each other
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It wouldn't be a ridiculous claim considering Roger fought WB for 3 days nonstop as a Haki-only user. And as Monkey said, they wouldn't be able to touch each other due to the Logia intangibility
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I completely forgot that they are logia, my mistake
Godernet
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no one said they were magic-based.
it overcame weaker Haki which allowed for ones DF ability to work, hence layered Haki
That's not layered resistance hax to mind manip
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Yeah, that's true too
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It is… since haki’s resistance will be layered
ReaperAndBlues
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It is layered powernull that can negate GJ, so it will null it.
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