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Fairy Tail 100 Year Quest Discussion Thread: Post-Void Saga

DemonGodMitchAubin said:
There are several notable changes to be found in Natsu

Natsu’s relationship with Gray is a lot better, they basically never fight anymore, which is a good end result of their conflict in Alvarez where Natsu openly cries and begs Gray to live

Natsu also becomes a lot more overprotective of Lucy after Future Lucy dies. He basically is constantly looking out for her after the GMG. He also chooses teamwork far more often overtime, with him only kinda rejecting it against Viernes because it’s clear he wanted to test his own strength in preparation for Ignia.

Like to suggest Natsu never changes is foolish. Another thing to remember is that the 100YQ is a job. During Tartaros and Alvarez, it was all out war, Natsu HAD to be serious. In 100YQ, it’s primarily a goofy quest where the world really isn’t at danger, so Natsu acts like a goofball, but when the danger level is clearly above normal like with Aldoron, Ignia, Viernes, and more, Natsu immediately slips back into serious mode.

Yeah Natsu isn’t some masterclass of depth or anything, but he very clearly does grow and evolve, and just because he has typical shonen MC traits don’t mean he’s boring, at least to me

You want boring, look at Yuji Itadori
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I don't think any version of Natsu would have prioritized Suzaku over Ignia and I think any version of him would protect Lucy as hard as he can. Gray part I don't disagree with not that i disagree with other points u said I just think any version of Natsu would have done those things. I wouldn't call 100yq a goofy job since it's about stopping a bunch of apocalyptic elemental Acnologias. I know they don't pose immediately danger but some of them genuinely wanted to just destroy everything
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
Natsu’s relationship with Gray is a lot better, they basically never fight anymore, which is a good end result of their conflict in Alvarez where Natsu openly cries and begs Gray to live
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I don’t really see it like that at all though, he grew up with him and they are in the same guild, it’s not a conflict resolution for him to cry and beg him not to die it’s completely in character. We already saw him do the exact same thing for Erza in the first major arc in the series, he play fights with her or at least wants to fight with her, as much as he does with Gray, yet also was left in tears when he realized she was trying to sacrifice herself, that’s just how they are for each other it’s nothing new


DemonGodMitchAubin said:
Natsu also becomes a lot more overprotective of Lucy after Future Lucy dies. He basically is constantly looking out for her after the GMG.
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I’d assume he does but my only problem with this is that it’s never really called out in the series, like we know why he’s so hellbent on helping rogue its brought up, but he’s never not looked out for Lucy so him caring more or being more protective of her isn’t really noticeable, especially when after this he leaves her for a couple years.

DemonGodMitchAubin said:
You want boring, look at Yuji Itadori
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Yuji awesome honestly, and Natsu not really bad I just consider him flat in comparison to the rest of the cast, which isn’t really that insulting because I like the fairy tail cast a lot
 
Also by the way only viewing character writing as A to B development rather than I don't know, exploration of already existing traits for example is a super shallow way to digest media. No respectable author views writing that way, and character writing takes many shapes.

I expected the handwriting away of counter points and I was proven right, but 'not changing' being an immediate reason for making the assertion that a character isn't interesting is utter sopishm.
 
PhoenixFirestorm said:
When he clashed with Viernes, it means he scales above the likes of Suzaku and Georg. That is pretty high in base form. But definitely not stronger than Dragon Force.

The Suzaku encounter in the Labyrinth Arc doesn't try to disprove what is happening in future arcs. As I said before that the fact Natsu can clash with Viernes compared to Suzaku and Georg failing to react plus Georg (who is stronger than Suzaku) got kill by a Dragon stomp from Selene.

I don't see the outlier on your point if Natsu has actually proven feats in current arcs. The only outlier I saw was people claiming Lucy scales to Natsu and Erza because of the Aquarius X Gemini form making water copies (because of Gemini only able to copy those less than or equal to). But pretty much what happened during Gold Owl still shows Natsu and Erza being more powerful than Lucy. This is an example of an outlier.
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Ok I haven't explained my thoughts very well.

Between the labyrinth and golden owl arc Natsu's base power level seemingly goes from weaker than Suzaku (given he needed fdkm spells to fight him) to almost dragon form dragon god level with, as far as I am aware, zero explanation or implication that he has gotten stronger beyond the feat in question (Natsu's increases in power are usually explained/confirmed by natsu or another character commenting on on the subject). Which makes me think that Natsu not getting splattered is inconsistent writing/plot armour and, therefore, doesn't indicate that Natsu's base has increased at all.

I could also argue that Natsu was emotion amped when he took the hit due to Athena's death.
 
I don't really see where this is going and I don't see how the Labyrinth arc tries to disprove what happened during the Viernes battle. Obviously due to Natsu training every day, he gets stronger each time which is how he was at least able to fight with Suzaku better than in Elentear. This logic also applies to him being stronger in the Gold Owl arc. It's how he was shown to overpower Athena II (who would be as strong as Athena, who by Elefseria was extremely powerful) and Duke. Plus, able to clash with Dragon Viernes in base.

If you refer the Dogramag in Dragon Form, for one, I know that Dogramag is the weakest of the Dragon Gods and was only stronger than usual due to the Dogra Cores powering him.
Second, Natsu beat him with a unison raid. So I don't really see how you came to the conclusion Natsu's power was ranging from Suzaku to Dragon God level.

Honestly, I feel like I'm one of the few who can see through this story and see the powerscaling consistency unlike most I've seen on other manga reviewers. And I don't just apply this with Fairy Tail, but other series and cartoons I see.
 
Twisted_Little_Raven said:
The reason I said Gajeel because he's the last person you would ever think would care about fatherhood and settling down. Even though he got dogged by Serena the mission was more important than the beating and ego. But yes I agree with Minerva.
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I agree with this since Gajeel was honestly the last person I expected to be a parent (But its a welcome one I love because Levy and Gajeel are too damn cute~!)

Twisted_Little_Raven said:
It does yes but I'm just saying you can list every single former villian. Their development is easier to show. These characters always stand out more than good characters with good development because going from evil to good is always the strongest by default. This is why Octavia from the 100 is my favorite case of development because it goes from innocence, to warrior, to bloodthirsty dictator, to coming back to her warrior but not evil self instead of fully going back to innocence. Cause I like the concept of somewhat broken not able to fully go back
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Another example is Jellal, a guy who went from innocent young kid, to an evil person to suicidal depressed and emotionally confused, then slowly redeeming himself for seven years, and then atoning when trying to isolate himself. And in the end he forgave himself (Though still remnants of depression remain) and even told Erza he will be joining Fairy Tail.
 
I mean its quite obvious Natsu has gotten MUCH stronger and after killing Dogramag he got a big amp. Also from the series he absorbs flames of Atlas and Ignia as I recall its added to Natsu's strength? And going from recent stuff he was able to surpass Erza and others by defeating Dragon Viernes in his base state.
 
It even shows Natsu is stronger than Erza in the OG series when he defeated Fairy Heart Zeref with a few hits and burning through time and shit. Also adding on events (As everyone here went over) in 100 Years Quest shows he grown MUCH stronger than Erza.

People cope in weird ways...
 
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Sure!


Twisted_Little_Raven said:
I didn't understand anything he said
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I got what they were saying I just don’t understand why.

But in to the general topic of the thread because this is derailing now
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
Natsu's been stronger than Erza since X791... People just cope
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I feel like this misconception comes from Mashima’s wog statements that like refuse to get rid of the Bo’s status quo.
PhoenixFirestorm said:
Except, Natsu already beat Fairy Heart Zeref himself. So your point is invalid.
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yeah he did which honestly is weird because ability wise we know he can’t counter transmutation and that Zeref can do very easily.

Like in character Zeref loses because Mashima sucks at writing him battles without reducing him to fighting like a brick but with vs debate competency Zeref has a couple of solid win cons imo, but Natsu is generally stronger at least the one that fought him
 
Alsotime said:
I feel like this misconception comes from Mashima’s wog statements that like refuse to get rid of the Bo’s status quo.
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Yep, Hiro just says things vague scaling sometimes that is blatantly wrong... I mean Natsu's feats far surpass Erza's

Hiro is usually likely only referring to Base Natsu

I mean he has an offhanded recent comment of "Well at the start, Laxus was stronger than Natsu, but now I don't know who's stronger anymore"

I genuinely think Hiro doesn't care about the specifics
 
The fact Hiro makes a joke about how Natsu is regularly a 600 that's weaker than 1000 Laxus, but with main character writing, he can get any kind of higher number is kinda funny to me... It's nice to know that Hiro is aware that he regularly makes it seem like Laxus is stronger, but then when it comes to actually fight the big bad, Natsu's main character status can put him at any number
 
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what is Hien doing in Fairy Tail
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
It’s illusions based on Raj’s favorite manga… So I guess Dead Rock is a Manga in the Fairy Tail world
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Thats pretty crazy...

Kinda reminds of KH 3 thing where Yozora was seen as fictional in Sora's side of the multiverse, as he was a video game character in Verum Rex. As Yozora was based on the protag of Final Fantasy Versus XIII.

But the difference is that Yozora exists outside of KH multiverse Quadratum (A world of "fiction"). But this character is probably illusion is probably more of a famous character in a manga coming to life. Though would be freaking funny if they pulled a KH where FT and Dead Rock were connected in some way? XD
 
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