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It's About Time We Got That Weapon Control Page, Eh?

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UchihaSlayer96

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Hey there everyone! It's me again.

The title really says it all. This is one of the most common weapons related abilities, and one that many people have been clamoring for for quite some time, so I am honestly surprised we don't have this ability yet lol.

But oh well, I'm here to finally fix that.
For those that don't know, we've been having an issue when it comes to dealing with characters who can telekinetically control their weapons for quite some time now. Usually they were given "Limited Telekinesis", which pretty much left a bad taste in everyone's mouth because this ability isn't really Telekinesis, although it is somewhat related.
Weapon Control involves the user being able to control their weapons in some capacity. This ranges from being able to telekinetically control weapons, summon them, or change their trajectory, among other potential uses.

I made a Sandbox with my proposal for what the page could look like. Obviously I'm open to feedback and suggestions.

With that being said, let's finally get this ability added!
 
Naturally I support this. Proposed it ages ago and happy to see a page be made for it.

This should replace all the "Limited Telekinesis" or "Telekinesis" users who only have the ability for controlling a particular weapon, as you said.
 
Well, not sure how much staff approval something like this requires, but just to keep count we've got 5 so far.
 
Object Manipulation sounds good as well tbh, but I still think Weapon Control in particular is prevalent enough in fiction to warrant its own page. We came up with, like, 16 users just off the top of our heads, and I believe we're just scratching the surface.
 
SamanPatou said:
I fully agree with this.

However, I'd use gifs instead of static images.
One of the best examples would be Erza using the Blade Wings of her Ataraxia Armor.
If we want to use more gifs to cover more uses of the power, we can also add something like Raiden summoning his Bō.

I'd also add changing the shape of the weapon among the possible uses, it seems rather common to me.
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Sure, these are fine additions. Thanks for the suggestions. I'll implement them in a bit.
 
Sorry for invading a staff thread but i think the weapon control is really lacking in application. Weapon Manipulation seem better, and also we should improve the description
 
Vietthai96 said:
Sorry for invading a staff thread but i think the weapon control is really lacking in application. Weapon Manipulation seem better, and also we should improve the description
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I think as is, Weapon Control inherently doesn't really have a lot of application because it's such a specific power. The main reason why it's being proposed as a new ability is that even though it's so specific it is surprisingly common. Though as Weapon Manipulation what exactly would you think it should cover?
 
Duedate8898 said:
I think as is, Weapon Control inherently doesn't really have a lot of application because it's such a specific power. The main reason why it's being proposed as a new ability is that even though it's so specific it is surprisingly common. Though as Weapon Manipulation what exactly would you think it should cover?
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I will write some right now. Aside from those already listed on Uchiha draft weapon manipulation will have:
  • Weapon Creation: well this page already have, so just dump it into Weapon Manipulation page
  • Weapon Control: capable of enslaving, possessing, forced controlling over sentient weapon
  • Weapon Summoning: telekinetic, teleporting, or summoning weapon back to side or hand from anywhere
  • Weapon Telekinesis: control weapon telekinetically, suspending/hovering them in the air, moving them around, changing their trajectory, etc....
  • Weapon Materialization: materializing or dematerializing weapon
  • Weapon Transmutation: transmuting, shapeshifting weapon into different forms
  • Weapon Mimicry: copy and recreate weapons, duplicating them
  • Capable of changing weapon structures, it's properties, functions,...
This is some in my head

To be honest, i proposed this ability way back then in a thread about Power and Ability, many character have ability specifically target weapon, but our wiki lack it
 
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Fate Gilgamesh would be a good example of Telekinesis and Materialization, the ladder seems iffy but then we consider how he gets the weapons back in his Vault

Death from Darksiders would be a good example of changing a weapon's form(numerous examples in the Abomination Vault Novel)

Most Genshin Impact characters would be good examples for weapon summoning.

Don't have anything good for the last one.
 
Actually i'm even tempted to list the ability to manipulating weapon statistics paramater, or ability to project astral version of weapon, or ability to nullify weapon's haxs/abilities

Also
Abstractions said:
No need to apologize, you had something important to say on the subject, that's never a problem.
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Thank you anyway, i appologize because i'm not even ask any staff permission to join the discussion, it is still somewhat rule breaking i think
 
Vietthai96 said:
I will write some right now. Aside from those already listed on Uchiha draft weapon manipulation will have:
  • Weapon Creation: well this page already have, so just dump it into Weapon Manipulation page
  • Weapon Control: capable of enslaving, possessing, forced controlling over sentient weapon
  • Weapon Summoning: telekinetic, teleporting, or summoning weapon back to side or hand from anywhere
  • Weapon Telekinesis: control weapon telekinetically, suspending/hovering them in the air, moving them around, changing their trajectory, etc....
  • Weapon Materialization: materializing or dematerializing weapon
  • Weapon Transmutation: transmuting, shapeshifting weapon into different forms
  • Weapon Mimicry: copy and recreate weapons, duplicating them
  • Capable of changing weapon structures, it's properties, functions,...
This is some in my head

To be honest, i proposed this ability way back then in a thread about Power and Ability, many character have ability specifically target weapon, but our wiki lack it
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A feel like a few of those are redundant but I generally agree with the idea behind it.

Weapon Transmutation and Mimicry are essentially the same, Materialization and Summoning as well.

I don't think Control is a good one since that would actually probably better fit other powers since the mechanics of controlling a sentient object seems more unrelated to actually manipulating weapons.

I also don't think we should merge in Weapon Creation because I feel like the powers themselves actually don't naturally tie into one another as easily as you'd think. Like most of our weapon manipulators as is, don't actually make their weapons and the method of control is likely to not be tied to the creation of said weapon.
 
Duedate8898 said:
A feel like a few of those are redundant but I generally agree with the idea behind it.

Weapon Transmutation and Mimicry are essentially the same, Materialization and Summoning as well.

I don't think Control is a good one since that would actually probably better fit other powers since the mechanics of controlling a sentient object seems more unrelated to actually manipulating weapons.

I also don't think we should merge in Weapon Creation because I feel like the powers themselves actually don't naturally tie into one another as easily as you'd think. Like most of our weapon manipulators as is, don't actually make their weapons and the method of control is likely to not be tied to the creation of said weapon.
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I just list a general idea for us to choose though.
About Weapon Creation, we just do it like Energy Manipulation and Energy Projection
About Transmutation and Mimicry, it is actually different, transmutation is when change it appearance, shapeshifting it. Mimicry is you literally copy the weapon itself, along with it statistics, power and ability, structure, function. Similar to Power Mimicry but with weapon instead
About Materialization and Summoning, we you can say those are similar, yes
About control, i just happen to think about the ability to control weapon that somehow have awareness, consciousness that normally refuse one who is not their owner, user can force control over it. hmmm, what about:
  • Weapon Control: capable of instantly master over the controlling of one or more weapon (do not confuse with Weapon Mastery which refer to character's skill in using weapon, this power is a hax that allow user to instantly capable of using weapon even if they have no skill with them before)
 
Duedate8898 said:
I also don't think we should merge in Weapon Creation because I feel like the powers themselves actually don't naturally tie into one another as easily as you'd think. Like most of our weapon manipulators as is, don't actually make their weapons and the method of control is likely to not be tied to the creation of said weapon.
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Weapon Creation also covers creating weapons from various types of matter, elements, body, energy and such, they may not be "actual" weapons, like those manipulated via this proposed page.

Another point that should be discussed is what to do when such power is inherent to the weapon itself, and not the user, like Goku's Nyoi Bo.

Also, if we are looking for more user who should receive the ability once it is published, I want to propose: Raiden and Shao Kahn (can summon their weapons), Augus (can extend his sword), Janemba (can turn a club into a sword), Kirby (can do this in several ways), Spinal (can extend the spike on his shield), Donovan Baine (can alter the shape of his sword).
I can provide evidences of this either now or in due time.
 
SamanPatou said:
Weapon Creation also covers creating weapons from various types of matter, elements, body, energy and such, they may not be "actual" weapons, like those manipulated via this proposed page.

Another point that should be discussed is what to do when such power is inherent to the weapon itself, and not the user, like Goku's Nyoi Bo.

Also, if we are looking for more user who should receive the ability once it is published, I want to propose: Raiden and Shao Kahn (can summon their weapons), Augus (can extend his sword), Janemba (can turn a club into a sword), Kirby (can do this in several ways), Spinal (can extend the spike on his shield), Donovan Baine (can alter the shape of his sword).
I can provide evidences of this either now or in due time.
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1. About Weapon Creation, i already have some revision about it is mind but decide to ignore it. But because you bring this up os i want to mention thing like some Dragon Ball Character who use Ki to form weapon, those thing should be listed as Ki/Energy Projection feat as they projecting their energy to take shape of a weapon, not an actual weapon; arguable you can still called them a weapon but i don't think so. Similar to character who capable of using Magic or Elemental Manip, it should be Magic Materialization or Elemental Manipulation

2. Goku with Power Pole is listed as Limited Size Manipulation via Power Pole already

3. Oke, new think to add, change shape, size, etc...of weapon
 
Vietthai96 said:
Goku with Power Pole is listed as Limited Size Manipulation via Power Pole already
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Yeah, but it would theoreticallly be replaced by Weapon Control/Manipulation.
But the true issue is whether or not it should be listed as as ability of Goku and not the Pole instead. But I'm probably thinking too much into it, and Weapon Control/Manip via Power Pole would work just fine.
 
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