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Is there a problem with other scaling? Luffy, kata, doffy, law, vergo, etc
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Some Random One Piece CRT
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Yeah and against buffalo she used a weather egg which is supposed to make her lightning stronger when she didn't against the dragon,
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We deadass just talked about this offsite.
He doesn't scale to Nami, he scales superior to Baby 5
He doesn't scale to Nami, he scales superior to Baby 5
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I disagree. Buffalo blatantly scales to Nami. He survived a direct attack from her and was still capable of speaking and flying.
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Um no? Just bc you survived an attack and was able to move/function does not mean they “blatantly” scale to them.
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She stopped him from flying, electrocuted him and made him scream in pain, made him freefall and he was awake because of willpower, etc
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Willpower doesn't increase his durability.
Yes, he started falling because he was hit by the attack. Yes, he experienced pain. How does this mean he doesn't scale to the attack?
He was injured by General Franky's attacks and still able to keep moving / stay conscious IIRC. Does he no longer scale to General Franky either?
Usopp was badly damaged by Caeser Clown's explosions and even passed out from them. But he's still scaling to Caeser Clown, isn't he?
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It increased stamina, which allowed him to keep pushing. It's even implied in the context, because when he's DROPPING HEADFIRST TO THE GROUND, he remembers his obligation to Doflamingo's family and keeps pushing
Look at his bruises
He never scaled to General Franky in the first place
Usopp passed out for a different reason, he scales for the lack of bruises
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We might as well just scale Buffalo's dura to his AP since he's a pure striking fighter
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Well, he does currently:
Being bruised by another character means you can't scale to them?
Sure, stamina is important but if his stamina is what kept him conscious why is he being scaled as more durable than Baby 5? What if Baby 5 just didn't have enough stamina?
What reason? And Usopp was bloodied up by Caeser Clown's attack.
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You would have to prove this is the case.
being damn near destroyed by 1 attack? Yes that means you don’t scale to them. Your acting as if he tanked it with some minor bruises
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That's not in my sandbox, so it's irrelevant. Those profiles are the same ones that you tell me to ignore when I bring them up to you in debates, plus those are the same looped circular scaling profiles that we are trying to revise.
Getting borderline knocked out, bleeding from the attack, and getting harmed by an attack that attacked 2 other people at the same time (so he didn't even take her full yield) means that you don't scale to them.
Stamina is what helped him fly again. I didn't say stamina is what kept him conscious from the attack, which is why I sent the scan of him flying after your main argument was "he can talk and fly".
Getting oxygen getting ripped out of his lungs, getting punched around, exhaustion from being in the cold, being in that fierce environment for god knows how long, etc.
You forgot when Nami said that it was a durability feat in Sanji's body even though he was knocked out. This isn't the first time we've discussed this in this thread.
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I don't remember telling you to ignore them. But I only brought it up because you said Buffalo "never scaled" to General Franky.
So should Usopp even be scaling to somebody who was already "borderline knocked out"?
Stamina helping him doesn't change the point that he is still capable of talking and flying after being hit by the attack. In order for him to be in a good enough condition for the stamina to make a difference, he still has be durable enough, right.
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Fair then
Because he was already in bad condition when he got hit by the attack, and we see him after, no bruises.
You can't compare Usopp who was getting jumped to Buffalo who almost got knocked out with help.
Usopp, who was already injured badly, took a hit from someone and came out with minimal bruises, even though he was unconscious for other reasons.
Buffalo, who although got injured was still relatively fine (and his pain was nothing compared to what happened to Usopp), got badly injured by an attack that was split between 3 people.
Stop trying to compare them.
This point is 1000% incorrect.
This is the logic for Luffy being conscious and pushing at marineford after getting knocked out.by admirals.
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I was talking about Usopp's AP scaling to Buffalo.
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You were the same one who said he could scale off of this
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I also was the one said there was a possible issue with it, which I've brought up again now.
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Idky you would say there's an issue with it and then say that right after, then bring it up 4 pages later when I'm worried about a dozen more characters.
Anyways,
B. Can shoot seastone hard enough to where it hurts Caesar.
Anyways,
B. Can shoot seastone hard enough to where it hurts Caesar.
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Isn't Caeser in the exact same position as Buffalo? Where he was also hit by Nami's attack and ended up borderline knocked out?
You know, this would be a lot less problematic if the Durability page actually specific how much damage a character can take before they can no longer reasonably scale to an attack.
It's not really possible to decisively say whether either of us are wrong here on the topic of Buffalo when there are no hard guidelines for it.
You know, this would be a lot less problematic if the Durability page actually specific how much damage a character can take before they can no longer reasonably scale to an attack.
It's not really possible to decisively say whether either of us are wrong here on the topic of Buffalo when there are no hard guidelines for it.
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That's a good point
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He was effected by lightning even though he's a Logia?
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Why is the dragon thing even being used to give Robin Large Mountain level durability instead of the moments she actually took damage from Large Mountain Level characters (Monet, who stabbed her, and Diamante, whose spiked iron balls injured her back)?
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In Monet's case, can we even use that? The spike went through Robin's shoulder, iirc? She can't scale if the attack pierced her completely through.
Diamante's case would probably be okay, but we don't really know the extent of the damage she received (or how exactly it happened, if the balls hit directly or merely grazed her). Either way, she does have the AP to halt attacks from Diamante and Trebol, so it would make sense for her to have similar durability for all her attacks being physical.
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Yeah, Monet's needle did go through Robin's shoulder, so that means that can't be used. I forgot about that.
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Also the only reason Monet is High 7-A is because of harming Nico Robin in the first place.
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So can we just scale her to Diamante for redirecting his attack?
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She didn't really stop his attack. The reason she was able to divert his thrust was because his sword was in a flappy flag form and she effectively brushed it off to the side with a fan of arms around the end of the sword.
That doesn't make Robin's attacks equal to Diamante's as far as I'm aware.
That doesn't make Robin's attacks equal to Diamante's as far as I'm aware.
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I'm sorry but what?
There's a sword that's moving and she redirects it with a good amount of hands. There's force behind the blade, is there not?
You'd need to prove that AP wouldn't apply to this all because the sword is in Flag Form.
There's a sword that's moving and she redirects it with a good amount of hands. There's force behind the blade, is there not?
You'd need to prove that AP wouldn't apply to this all because the sword is in Flag Form.
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From the looks of it, it took six arms on the blade and whatever effect all those dozens of butterfly hands had to just shift the blade to the side, not stop it. You don't scale fully to someone just for deflecting an attack. I can't "prove AP doesn't apply", whatever that means, but the sword being in flag form does seem be a reason for why Robin is able to stop it.
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You're forgetting that she didn't shift the blade to the side, she turned half the blade around Rebecca.
It means that you can't prove that this feat isn't AP in this scenario.
The sword being in flag form is the reason why she can bend it, but the sword being in flag form doesn't stop the sword from having force behind it and her stopping/redirecting the force.
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I disagree. When Diamante turns something into a flag, they retain their natural characteristics. For example, the steel block he wears like a cape and uses as a shield. If Robin was able to stop Diamante's attack while his sword was in flag form, then she would've been able to stop it if the sword had been in its regular form as well.
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Obviously some properties are retained. That's not the same thing as "If she could deflect it in its flappy flag form, then she can deflect it normally" if its flappiness is part of the reason why she's able to deflect it at all.
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She deflected it because she had the AP to deflect it.
She deflected it how she deflected it because of its material.
You're saying she deflected it because of it's flappiness, when you haven't even proven that yourself
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What is the necessary amount of AP to deflect it? Because she didn't stop it in its track, she shifted it to the side so that it would miss Rebecca. The sword still had momentum to it.
So I'm not okay with rating her to be equal to Diamante for that alone.
Because we don't see her performance against his sword in its normal state, it's kinda hard to prove either way.
So I'm not okay with rating her to be equal to Diamante for that alone.
Because we don't see her performance against his sword in its normal state, it's kinda hard to prove either way.
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This looks good enough to scale
We don't need to see her performance against his sword in its normal state. What would that prove?
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We don’t know that, but it has to be relative to the strength he was using to swing the sword.
1. Nobody said that she is 100% equal, she can be relative tho
2. It can be used as support for her rating it doesn’t have to be her only justification.
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