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Revising Madara and Guy's tiers

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Madara, first.

At least Continent level+, likely Moon level (Far stronger than Controlled Jūbi Jinchūriki Obito Uchiha. Was stated to be trying to get close to Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki's Power. Even stronger than before after absorbing the Shinju Tree)
On top of surviving the Night Guy, albeit with half of his torso obliterated; although, do not get it twisted; the Night Guy is superior to him, he:
  1. Blocked a punch from V1 Six Paths Sage Mode Naruto despite not having fully recovered from Night Guy and then survived the explosion of his Lava Style Rasen Shuriken.
  2. Completely halted V2 Six Paths Sage Mode Naruto's attack and then blew him away with a Limbo clone, drawing blood; although, Naruto quickly recovered.
  3. Is strong enough to survive V2 Six Paths Sage Naruto's Magnet Style Rasengan and Rinnegan Sasuke's Chidori, as his Limbo clone, who as strong as he, could do so.
One Rinnegan Madara should be upgraded to Moon level (and FTL) by downscaling, but not by a massive margin, from Six Paths Sage Mode Naruto and Rinnegan Sasuke.
Moon level (Far stronger than Controlled Jūbi Jinchūriki Obito Uchiha. Was stated to be approaching Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki's power and became even stronger after absorbing the God Tree. Completely halted Six Paths Sage Mode Naruto's attack and then knocked him away with a Limbo clone, drawing blood)
FTL (Barely managed to keep up with Eighth Gate Guy, whose speed surpassed that of the five Kage combined. Reacted to and blocked an attack from initial Six Paths Sage Mode Naruto. Kept up with Six Paths Sage Mode Naruto and One Rinnegan Sasuke, and even swapped out with a Limbo clone at the moment before their attacks would land on him)
Moon Class (Knocked away Six Paths Sage Mode Naruto with a Limbo clone)
Moon level (Survived Eighth Gate Guy's assault; albeit, heavily injured. Blocked a punch from cloakless Six Paths Sage Mode Naruto and then survived the explosion of his Lava Style Rasen Shuriken, despite already being worn from his battle with Guy. His Limbo clone survived Six Paths Sage Mode Naruto's Rasengan and One Rinnegan Sasuke's Chidori, which would scale to himself as well). Immortality and Regeneration makes him difficult to kill

Now, Guy.

Likely Continent level+ with Evening Elephant (Able to cause noticeable damage to Rikudo Madara and would have given him "trouble" in successful, consecutive strikes), Moon level with Night Guy (Obliterated Rikudo Madara's left side, nearly killing him in the process. Also, Night Guy was stated to be a stronger attack than Evening Elephant.)
The Wiki is under the impression that Guy is pretty much bitchmade compared to Madara, from my understanding. However...
  1. Guy's Evening Elephants briefly incapacitated Madara and left him buried in a hole in the ground, with Madara then opting to avoid being hit directly by Guy's fists.
    • This suggests that his Evening Elephant, which is simply a shockwave created from his punches, are weaker than his direct strikes.
  2. Guy's Evening Elephants absolutely bullied Madara, leaving him bloodied and battered, with his punch shattering his Truth-Seeking Ball barrier and planting him in the dirt.
  3. The Jin no Sho declares that "Might Guy had unleashed “Evening Elephant”, and overwhelmed even Madara who had become the Ten-Tails Jinchuuriki."
  4. By the time of Guy's final bout, Madara was in the same condition Guy was in; his resilience as an "immortal" carried him, though.
So, Eighth Gate Guy should be either Moon level through absolutely assaulting One Rinnegan Madara.
Along with that, I would also like to bring to attention this thread. Seen it? Good.

Moon level (His power surpasses that of the five Kage combined. Battered and brutalized One Rinnegan Jūbi Jinchūriki Madara with each of his strikes, with his blows being so powerful that Madara wished to avoid any direct strike), higher with Night Guy (Is stated to yield "limitless power" and surpasses all Taijutsu techniques up until that point. Obliterated Madara's left side, nearly killing him in the process, if not for his healing ability)
FTL (Is far faster than before. Overwhelmed One Rinnegan Jūbi Jinchūriki Madara with his speed), higher with Night Guy (The Night Guy boasts "limitless power". Madara could not keep up with the speed of his kick)
Moon Class (His punches are so powerful that One Rinnegan Jūbi Jinchūriki Madara wished to avoid them), higher with Night Guy
Moon level (Can endure the force of his own blows; however the strain that the Eight Gates Released Formation places on his body eventually leads to his death), higher with Night Guy
Welp. Let's discuss.
 
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He did? Huh. I remember Naruto doing better damage to that Madara after 8 Gates.
Sasuke managed to slice One Rinnegan Madara in half with a Chidori Blade while he was refusing to fight back, but the Chidori Blade increases his Attack Potency; it is incredibly "sharp", which allows him to cut through stuff that he normally would not be able to. Then, Naruto's Shadow Clones briefly had a scuffle with Dual Rinnegan Madara's Limbo clones. Naruto and Sasuke did not really do any noticeable damage to Madara in the manga; they were comparable, really.
 
Sasuke managed to slice One Rinnegan Madara in half with a Chidori Blade while he was refusing to fight back, but the Chidori Blade increases his Attack Potency; it is incredibly "sharp", which allows him to cut through stuff that he normally would not be able to. Then, Naruto's Shadow Clones briefly had a scuffle with Dual Rinnegan Madara's Limbo clones. Naruto and Sasuke did not really do any noticeable damage to Madara in the manga; they were comparable, really.
The Madara that comparable to Naruto and Sasuke is post Shinju Absorption.
 

Madara, first.


On top of surviving the Night Guy, albeit with half of his torso obliterated; although, do not get it twisted; the Night Guy is superior to him, he:
  1. Blocked a punch from V1 Six Paths Sage Mode Naruto despite not having fully recovered from Night Guy and then survived the explosion of his Lava Style Rasen Shuriken.
  2. Completely halted V2 Six Paths Sage Mode Naruto's attack and then blew him away with a Limbo clone, drawing blood; although, Naruto quickly recovered.
  3. Is strong enough to survive V2 Six Paths Sage Naruto's Magnet Style Rasengan and Rinnegan Sasuke's Chidori, as his Limbo clone, who as strong as he, could do so.
One Rinnegan Madara should be upgraded to Moon level (and FTL) by downscaling, but not by a massive margin, from Six Paths Sage Mode Naruto and Rinnegan Sasuke.




Now, Guy.


The Wiki is under the impression that Guy is pretty much bitchmade compared to Madara, from my understanding. However...
  1. Guy's Evening Elephants briefly incapacitated Madara and left him buried in a hole in the ground, with Madara then opting to avoid being hit directly by Guy's fists.
    • This suggests that his Evening Elephant, which is simply a shockwave created from his punches, are weaker than his direct strikes.
  2. Guy's Evening Elephants absolutely bullied Madara, leaving him bloodied and battered, with his punch shattering his Truth-Seeking Ball barrier and planting him in the dirt.
  3. The Jin no Sho declares that "Might Guy had unleashed “Evening Elephant”, and overwhelmed even Madara who had become the Ten-Tails Jinchuuriki."
  4. By the time of Guy's final bout, Madara was in the same condition Guy was in; his resilience as an "immortal" carried him, though.
So, Eighth Gate Guy should be either Moon level through absolutely assaulting One Rinnegan Madara.
Along with that, I would also like to bring to attention this thread. Seen it? Good.





Welp. Let's discuss.
I agree bro.
 
Never understood why this wiki put Guy as absolutely nothing to Madara, the latter literally admitted he almost died. Agree.
Guy was impressive AP and Speed wise but he lacks hax. If he hadn't help then TSBs would have ended him. Same with Limbo which Madara didn't use.
He only absorbed the Tree after he got ****** up by Cloakless Six Paths Naruto.
Cloakless Six Paths Naruto is still strong though and in the end all his Lava Rasenshurken did to Madara was nothing to what Guy did.

I agree with the OP.
 

Now, Guy.

The Wiki is under the impression that Guy is pretty much bitchmade compared to Madara, from my understanding. However...
  1. Guy's Evening Elephants briefly incapacitated Madara and left him buried in a hole in the ground, with Madara then opting to avoid being hit directly by Guy's fists.
    • This suggests that his Evening Elephant, which is simply a shockwave created from his punches, are weaker than his direct strikes.
  2. Guy's Evening Elephants absolutely bullied Madara, leaving him bloodied and battered, with his punch shattering his Truth-Seeking Ball barrier and planting him in the dirt.
  3. The Jin no Sho declares that "Might Guy had unleashed “Evening Elephant”, and overwhelmed even Madara who had become the Ten-Tails Jinchuuriki."
  4. By the time of Guy's final bout, Madara was in the same condition Guy was in; his resilience as an "immortal" carried him, though.
So, Eighth Gate Guy should be either Moon level through absolutely assaulting One Rinnegan Madara.
Along with that, I would also like to bring to attention this thread. Seen it? Good.

Welp. Let's discuss.
i was under the impression the reason guy doesnt scale is because he was fighting madara pre tree absorption who is weaker.

the techniques were to seal him naruto magnet style+sage seal and sasuke chidori was to seal aswell you can see the black electricity envelope him and the rasengan on contact spreading the sand seal.
 
i was under the impression the reason guy doesnt scale is because he was fighting madara pre tree absorption who is weaker.
I highly doubt that absorbing the God Tree was just a massive increase in power that it pushed Madara from 6-A+ to 5-C, especially considering he was stated to be approaching Hagoromo's power pre-absorption. Also, nobody ever makes mention of his power rising after absorbing the God Tree; the only comment made is by Madara, who claims that he is an immortal now, but that is the extent of it, which suggests the boost was minimal, if at all. It just let him recover from his fight with Guy.
 
wow i didn't even the read the ratings of current madara, guy and misinterpreted this thread i can nitpick some stuff but it won't change the proposed ratings so i agree.
 
I don't like when people use "knocking somebody over" as a measure of their power, especially because 9/10 it does nothing to the opponent in question, but I agree.
 
I highly doubt that absorbing the God Tree was just a massive increase in power that it pushed Madara from 6-A+ to 5-C, especially considering he was stated to be approaching Hagoromo's power pre-absorption. Also, nobody ever makes mention of his power rising after absorbing the God Tree; the only comment made is by Madara, who claims that he is an immortal now, but that is the extent of it, which suggests the boost was minimal, if at all. It just let him recover from his fight with Guy.
I agree with this bro.
 
Is it me or did that Rasenshuriken do less than Night Guy? I've always had that thought in my head, it basically cuts madara's stomach open but Night Guy just obliterated like the majority of his torso. Is that already an accepted scaling thing?

Also yeah I agree with this. Madara specifically makes note about how Guy is actually strong quite a few times in their fight, even if Guy lost he should scale.
 
I don't like when people use "knocking somebody over" as a measure of their power, especially because 9/10 it does nothing to the opponent in question, but I agree.
I dont think that this is just knocking somebody over
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The problem is the Madara that Absorbed the Tree isn't the same Madara from earlier.

earlier madara got Incapacitated by Base six paths Naruto with his lava Shuriken.
 
that was sort of my contention aswell but looking at the current ratings madara pre-tree is already at moon level and 8th gate guy pretty much controlled that fight.
 
that was sort of my contention aswell but looking at the current ratings madara pre-tree is already at moon level and 8th gate guy pretty much controlled that fight.
Guy not controlling the fight it’s because of combination of Madara be a battle freaks/********* and Minato with the other helping Guy by removing Madara TSO. If Madara was serious i reckon the results would be different
 
Guy not controlling the fight it’s because of combination of Madara be a battle freaks/********* and Minato with the other helping Guy by removing Madara TSO. If Madara was serious i reckon the results would be different

my bad i shouldnt say "controlled" but if pre tree madara is moon level tier then i agree with the justifications for the Guy OP
 
The problem is the Madara that Absorbed the Tree isn't the same Madara from earlier.
I highly doubt that absorbing the God Tree was just a massive increase in power that it pushed Madara from 6-A+ to 5-C, especially considering he was stated to be approaching Hagoromo's power pre-absorption. Also, nobody ever makes mention of his power rising after absorbing the God Tree; the only comment made is by Madara, who claims that he is an immortal now, but that is the extent of it, which suggests the boost was minimal, if at all. It just let him recover from his fight with Guy.
 
There is also an entry in the Jin no Sho that states that wielding the power of the Ten-Tails is the same as wielding the power of the Sage of Six Paths, which is consistent with Obito being stated to have rivaled Hagoromo in Shikamaru Hiden: A Cloud Drifting in Silent Darkness; however, Madara, who is more powerful than Obito, was stated to have only been approaching Hagoromo's level of power, so there is some discrepancy between these statements.

But, Madara approaching Hagoromo's power should be enough to warrant a Moon level rating.
 
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