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Cat275

Cat275

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  • Reiner04
    I've a question, do u think V=ultimate L is biggest L you ever had?
    Cat275
    Cat275
    Getting banned on vsbw is the biggest and only W you ever had.
    God243
    Hi Bro i have a question if i create a earth with his own space time Is this 4D?
    Cat275
    Cat275
    It's 4D (I'm assuming it's a temporal dimension + width, height and length basically the 3 spatial dimensions we have in general) but it wouldn't qualify as universal+ in the wiki unless if the earth is universe sized or bigger.
    God243
    God243
    Can you explain to me why trascends platonic concept Is not outerversal PLS?
    Cat275
    Cat275
    By the wiki simple mention of transcendence is not enough. They simply want more context because it's vague and could imply something else and not qualitive superiority or maybe it's qualitive superiority but not to the extent of 1-A to lower dimensions. Really that's pretty much just the reason.
    ActuallySpaceMan42
    Yo Cat, I don't know if you have time, but I have a Cosmology Upgrade planned and was hoping to get your opinion.
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    ActuallySpaceMan42
    ActuallySpaceMan42
    Oh, nvm then you pretty much understood everything lol. Appreciate the help, I was a bit confused about how to tier all the different quotes.
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    ActuallySpaceMan42
    ActuallySpaceMan42
    Last thing Cat, could you explain this to me?
    Huang Ji said with emotion: "The infinite dimension is very vast. Don't use the concept of multi-dimensional universe to understand it."
    "Assume that the infinite power of infinite is infinite set 1, and the infinite set of infinite set 1 to the power of 1 is infinite set 2"
    "Then by analogy, the infinite set to the power of the infinite set can be obtained, which is the blue and white number 1."
    "On this basis, even if you go beyond the infinite dimension and reach the point where the number of blue and white is 1, you will not be able to reach the blue and white world."
    "Because of the personality of the blue and white world, it has become the blue and white number 2."
    The top three are all sluggish.
    Such an infinite plus one? Even if it reaches '2', sorry, it's '3'.
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    Cat275
    Cat275
    Seems to treat each as bigger.

    The anology is very ambigous but it seems to say infinite + infinite then infinite * infinite * infinite^infinite or infinite * infinite * infinite^1.

    Then the end seems to say infinite*infinite*infinite.... Basically infinite^infinite+infinite^infinite.

    Not gonna lie it seems to imply a well ordering of bigger infinities but it's just too vague and not well explained or atleast not a good explanation for higher infinities.

    I guess this just depends on verse treatments.
    Tanin_iver
    Hey, um are you in Discord?
    Cat275
    Cat275
    Yes.
    Tanin_iver
    Tanin_iver
    I wanted to discuss some stuff with u, since u seem to be a bit knowledgeable on alephs and cardinals. Will it be okay with u to discuss on Discord?
    Cat275
    Cat275
    Sure.
    ActuallySpaceMan42
    Ignore what I posted before, I simplified it into a single thread I'm hoping you can give insight on.
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    Cat275
    Cat275
    If i remember the cosmology correctly, Im fine from dimensional space time to timelines being high 1a with the rest being 0.

    So yeah I'm inclined to agree.
    ActuallySpaceMan42
    ActuallySpaceMan42
    Great just wanted to verify stuff.
    ActuallySpaceMan42
    ActuallySpaceMan42
    Here is the CRT, if you are interested in chiming in I would appreciate it.
    ZwartD
    Cat275
    Cat275
    I'll check later once im less busy.
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    Cat275
    Cat275
    I'll be replying based on my thoughts while reading the thread like blog.

    Not exactly sure if the universes have time but each universe seems to be infinite so High 3-A unless if i misinterpreted something of course.
    there is a infinite chain which i assume to be an infinite amount of this universes so still High 3-A.
    (infinite*infinite still has a established bijection)
    although the dust seems to also be infinite so... assuming the dust are 3d and each universe has atleast one then infinite*infinite*infinite and if there are infinite dust in each universe then infinite*infinite*infinite*infinite so all are still High 3-A.

    Some people seem to tier this higher via transfinite recursion which I believe we use infinite^infinite there to create bigger functions (satisfying *) although probably higher than that and going over axiom schema of replacement we need to replace omega^omega's ordinal and even more sets that have a bijection to it just to get omega 1 (cardinality of aleph 1 in ordinal terms) so i dont know how 1 universe that has infinite amount of universes inside of it i.e each universe having universes will reach such heights but yeah I'm reading over it right now.

    Anyways it does seem to use klein bottle theory which I don't know which cycle we are referring to but im assuming it's about this cycle:

    Like the Möbius strip, the Klein bottle is a two-dimensional manifold which is not orientable. Unlike the Möbius strip, it is a closed manifold, meaning it is a compact manifold without boundary. While the Möbius strip can be embedded in three-dimensional Euclidean space R3, the Klein bottle cannot. It can be embedded in R4, however.

    Continuing this sequence, for example creating a surface which cannot be embedded in R4 but can be in R5, is possible; in this case, connecting two ends of a spherinder to each other in the same manner as the two ends of a cylinder for a Klein bottle, creates a figure, referred to as a "spherinder Klein bottle", that cannot fully be embedded in R4.

    So now we have Low 1-C

    Now I'm not exactly sure what eternity is being refered to but the quote eternity outside eternity and infinite versions of this will only be endless*endless.

    literally eternity within eternity is endless+endless and if this continues until infinity then it's simply endless*endless.

    now we got into some interesting ones.

    the wiki accepts infinitesimal feat so the higher universes should be a higher dimension.

    so assuming the klein bottle cycle is in the endless chain or it uses such cycle then the higher universe should be around 6d via qualitive superiority.

    Anyways I got to see more interesting stuff while reading which I don't know if this is a downwards hierarchy nor if it qualifies for infinitesimal feats but a universe within a reactor, brain etc etc seems to be infinitesimal feat or could probably qualify for qualitive superiority.
    So maybe I change my mind and scale it 1-B? Not exactly sure since my friend said galactus eats universes like a cereal yet he doesn't have a higher ap in dimension stuff.

    I can probably scale it around something like H1-B assuming the bottom is atleast 3d.

    Although I'm not sure what the true universe is.

    I'm not seeing any quotes on the infinite spiral and etc so no thoughts on that for now but assuming the endless chain is one of the products of the infinite spiral then I can see it being a higher dimension, yes.

    No comment over the violation of worlds and the sefirot model or so.

    Thread is quite a mess honestly and I might have missed it but the op said there are infinite amount of universes in each universe which I quite didnt see but maybe it's talking about eternity within eternity? Not sure.

    well i'll leave the math here just in case what the op said is true.

    infinite amount of worlds in a universe is infinite, infinite amount of this is infinite*infinite, assuming each worlds and universe are infinite then infinite*infinite*infinite*infinite, assuming the infinite amount of worlds have 1 infinite within infinite within infinite etc. then the chain should be infinite^infinite, then assuming the infinite amount of worlds also have infinite amount of worlds within infinite amount of worlds etc then each universe has infinite^infinite worlds so infinite^infinite*infinite in total by this assumption.

    not exactly sure if this^ warrants a higher tier since axiom of replacement can achieve sets with a bijective function that includes omega^omega but yeah the math is there.

    Although I won't be adding this math in my scale since I don't consider infinite^infinite to be aleph 1 nor I have seen a quote actually implying that much.

    Anyways from what i've seen the math is either infinite amount of worlds or infinite*infinite amount of worlds, could also be countless*infinite amount of worlds based on that one quote about stories.

    story creating another story and another are just branching finitely as starting as finite will always be finite so I don't know why the op implies it's infinitely branching.

    There's also no increasing math here^ as let's say infinite stories branch countless stories which will diverge into another and another and another, all will result to just infinite*n. now assuming it's infinite from what the op implied then diverging to another infinite is just infinite+infinite and any diversion of a finite amount of infinite will be below infinite*infinite. (although they are bijective so it's actually the same cardinality) The op seems to imply that there are some axiom replacement marks here which i don't quite see no.

    anyways I see no proof of the infinite diverging part from what the op said. I only see some countless branching multiplications here.

    next, all of creation being infinite x infinite is the same as infinite*infinite which has a bijective function to infinite so it's still infinite none the less.

    So at the moment I scale the universes 4-D or 5-D although you can probably take into account some of the things i said above but i was just quite unsure there but yeah I scale the endless chain of universes 4-D to 5-D and higher universe a D higher. (unless if i misremembered on higher universe since i remember a dust quote about it)

    I could honestly also scale it H1-B as it seems to have enough infinitesimal feats and even some R>F feats but yeah L1-C and H1-B, probably even L1-A are bassically the tiers I have in mind at the moment for the infinite chains of universes and higher universe.

    Might write my thoughts on cycle, outer universe and etc later since I haven't finished reading it yet but for now I may want to rest a little.
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    ZwartD
    ZwartD
    Thank you for your input, i admit that the OP made the structure of the RT a bit messy and not in a comprehensive order, I'll tell him to fix it later.
    TRUTH
    if there is enough supporting evidence, if a character is said by the author to literally (really) transcends everything, would the character get a 0 tier because of math because it transcends concepts like beth numbers, cardinals, alephs, true coordinate?

    (no exaggeration).

    sorry for my english :((
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    TRUTH
    TRUTH
    what if the verse says that there is real mathematics? (by real mathematics I mean mathematics in our universe. In short, containing cardinals etc.)
    Cat275
    Cat275
    Large cardinals ain't really real in a sense, but this would probably mean it has something akin to multiverse hypothesis type 4 so including the logical and actual real math we have it would probably be L1-A to 1-A.

    (Though the wiki wouldn't take this at face value so should be lower by wiki standards sadly, need to be a bit more specific.)
    TRUTH
    TRUTH
    thank you very much
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