Compilation of random questions

[AppleMaker]

1. How to differentiate Universal and Universal+ feats?
2. Is 1-B tier achievable through prolonged scaling chain (Basically, here's one 1-C character, and then several other characters upscale from him and each other all the way to baseline 1-B. Their dimensionality is also stated to be higher each time someone is effortlessly beating someone)?
3. Can you get to 1-B through multipliers, if you're Low 1-C (Can dimensionality be multiplied or not)?
4. Is it possible to make a verse where EVERY character is Low Outerversal - High Outerversal+?
5. Is the 8x ap gap applicable to Low 2-C - 2-B characters? (Basically, would it be a fair battle, if one character scales to 2 universes and other to 4?)
6. Can Outerversal character have not Immeasurable LS (Or in the worst case scenario - Below average human LS)?
7. To which tier would scale character who effortlessly beaten/destroyed/one-shot High 1-A character/structure?
8. Why Boundless tier got reworked? Now it's barely usable for anything
9. How to scale/predict personality and skill of a game character, if this game isn't really story driven (Like Minecraft for example)?
10. How viable is Logic manipulation as a wincon?
11. Are there any Tier 0 smurfs out there (characters who benefit from Tier 0, not just it's avatars)?

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

1. How to differentiate Universal and Universal+ feats?

If it's just "destroyed the universe", we look into other instances of what the verse calls as universe, whether only physical reality or space-time in its entirety.

Or if present, we look for context of what is left after the universe is destroyed; an empty space, nothingness, hyperspace, etc.

2. Is 1-B tier achievable through prolonged scaling chain (Basically, here's one 1-C character, and then several other characters upscale from him and each other all the way to baseline 1-B. Their dimensionality is also stated to be higher each time someone is effortlessly beating someone)?

As long as the difference between each character is of uncountable infinity, yes.

3. Can you get to 1-B through multipliers, if you're Low 1-C (Can dimensionality be multiplied or not)?

Multiplying by Aleph-1 gives you +1D each time its multiplied.

4. Is it possible to make a verse where EVERY character is Low Outerversal - High Outerversal+?

Eh, I suppose I could see some philosophy that is like this, where every character has the same underlying essence, or if the tier 0 has implanted in reality some metaphysical potential allowing them to reach said tier by willpower.

Well, you'll need a VERY clear and LENGTHY explanation for this to even be considered.

Assuming by "L1-A - H1-A+" you also include the tiers between them, like 1-A or H1-A, then yes. I think Warhammer had a thing going on with everyone having a 1-A aspect.

5. Is the 8x ap gap applicable to Low 2-C - 2-B characters? (Basically, would it be a fair battle, if one character scales to 2 universes and other to 4?)

No. Multipliers don't work in tier 2 and beyond in that way, at least not finite multipliers.

6. Can Outerversal character have not Immeasurable LS (Or in the worst case scenario - Below average human LS)?

That depends on how you see a 1-A character. An author in a 1-A world can lift the book that is the entirety of the lower reality, thus Immeasurable LS. But with respect to their own reality they may have below average LS instead and be incapable of lifting another average-weight person (take for example Yumiella from Villainess lvl 99).

7. To which tier would scale character who effortlessly beaten/destroyed/one-shot High 1-A character/structure?

H1-A assuming no anti-feats.

8. Why Boundless tier got reworked? Now it's barely usable for anything

Basically before you had all this "insert number layers into boundless", it was honestly getting a bit nonsensical considering tier 0 was supposed to be the highest tier. Now it actually serves its purpose as the highest and unsurpassable. And it's not actually just bound to mathematics and takes into consideration qualitative distinctions too.

iirc a lot of cardinals (like woodin cardinal iirc) were tier 0 just for being "a bery bery large quantity".

9. How to scale/predict personality and skill of a game character, if this game isn't really story driven (Like Minecraft for example)?

Simple, you don't.
Unless there are some guidebooks or minor lore you could use.

10. How viable is Logic manipulation as a wincon?

Eh, it's not that OP unless its a high 1-A+ doing it, or a tier 0 ofc. Logic manip by itself is HEAVILY restricted for non-0 and high 1-A+ tiers. I mean, we don't assume someone that can cause fire via logic manip can auto do the same with water as well...

yes, logic manip can be an exception to many rules, but that itself requires such a detailed explanation that is hardly found in anything other than chinamen verses (no hate to them, but there's so much yap lol).

11. Are there any Tier 0 smurfs out there (characters who benefit from Tier 0, not just it's avatars)?

Uhh, depends on what u mean by "benefits". A random person being blessed with Aca5 is certainly very OP, or someone blessed with an absolute form of some hax, but I don't think I've come across them so far personally.

 

[AppleMaker]

Eh, I suppose I could see some philosophy that is like this, where every character has the same underlying essence, or if the tier 0 has implanted in reality some metaphysical potential allowing them to reach said tier by willpower.

Well, you'll need a VERY clear and LENGTHY explanation for this to even be considered.

Assuming by "L1-A - H1-A+" you also include the tiers between them, like 1-A or H1-A, then yes. I think Warhammer had a thing going on with everyone having a 1-A aspect.

I mean, isn't Warhammer still have characters that don't have anything in tier 1-A? I meant some stuff like prime SCP that had some bs like "everything is boundless", but with Outerversal tiers instead

No. Multipliers don't work in tier 2 and beyond in that way, at least not finite multipliers.

By 8x gap I meant standard One-shot gap for matchups. Would a character who scales 4 universes one-shot a character who scales to 2 universes?

That depends on how you see a 1-A character. An author in a 1-A world can lift the book that is the entirety of the lower reality, thus Immeasurable LS. But with respect to their own reality they may have below average LS instead and be incapable of lifting another average-weight person (take for example Yumiella from Villainess lvl 99).

I mean, could a 1-A character literally have such low LS to the point he can get LS meta diffed by folks like Deku or regular human?

Simple, you don't.
Unless there are some guidebooks or minor lore you could use.

So basically I should just throw some random wincons in the matchups with said character and see which of them sticks? Also am I allowed to use some gameplay scans and feats (I know it's kind of frowned upon due to being mostly game mechanics) and pass it as a level of skill that character possess, especially if it's something character encounters/does normally (for example - Cuphead consistently dodging danmaku type attacks, Minecraft Steve using a mace and spear to mitigate falls or air mobility, some characters using rocket jumps in FPS games and etc)?