Order is a Script/Plot/Story

[DuyVoldigoad]

First, I'll use this CRT as a premise for order is a script/story

Thread 'Upgrade for the Gods ability. Maou Gakuin' https://vsbattles.com/threads/upgrade-for-the-gods-ability-maou-gakuin.141671/

In the thread, it was established that the gods view the world as a stage play and orchestrate its events. All things exist merely as roles assigned by Order, acting according to the framework imposed upon them. However, many argue that this is simply figurative language meant to describe a predetermined arrangement-that is, fate.



Today, I will be refuting that interpretation.



Question:
[気になる点]
自らの嗜好で喜劇と悲劇に優劣をつける興行師は愚かとのことですが、アノス達不適合者はさしずめ自らの嗜好(アノス=愛と優しさ、グラハム=憎悪と醜さ)を極めて一流の作品として世界と言うキャンバスや原稿用紙に形作るようにする作家達と言ったところでしょうか。

サーシャには「おあいにくさま」の決め台詞があるのにミーシャにはこれといった決め台詞を発したことが無いように思えるのですが、もし考案していてこの先で登場するならするのでしょうか？
[一言]
登場人物の能力は性格に応じて影響されている部分もあるのでしょうか？
投稿者： 高桐遥輝
2018年 08月07日 16時02分
管理
ご感想ありがとうございますっ！

Author:

言い得て妙ですねっ。確かに、アノスやグラハムは、神々にとっては脚本家のような存在。しかも、こいつら、興行師の言うこと聞きやがらないどころか、興行師を舞台に立たせる台本書きやがるって感じでしょうねー。


ミーシャは、決め台詞っぽいのは、あまりありませんよね。
そもそも、あんまり喋らないからっていうのはあるかも？

もしかしたら、そのうち、なにか出てくるかもしれません。


登場人物の能力は、やっ
ぱり性格に影響されている部分ありますよー。

ねー。

Source : https://novelcom-syosetu-com.transl...77/?p=741&_x_tr_sl=ja&_x_tr_tl=vi&_x_tr_hl=vi



Trans:
Question
"It is said that a showman who judges comedy and tragedy as superior or inferior according to his own preferences is foolish, but would it be fair to say that the Misfits such as Anos and the others are, so to speak, writers who shape their own preferences (Anos = love and kindness, Graham = hatred and ugliness) into first class works upon the canvas or manuscript paper called the world?
Although Sasha has the catchphrase What a pity for you, it seems to me that Misha has never spoken any particular catchphrase like that. If you have already devised one and it is going to appear later on, will it appear?
Are there parts of the characters abilities that are influenced according to their personalities?"
Author:
"That is a remarkably apt way of putting it. Certainly, from the gods perspective, Anos and Graham are beings much like scriptwriters. Moreover, these guys do not merely refuse to listen to what the showman says they are the sort who would go as far as writing a script that places the showman himself upon the stage.
As for Misha, she does not really have anything resembling a catchphrase. Perhaps that is simply because she does not talk very much in the first place.
Maybe, someday, something like that might appear.
And yes, there are indeed aspects of the characters abilities that are influenced by their personalities."
Source Trans: https://vsbattles.com/threads/official-translation-requests-thread-new-forum.107531/post-7775457


The author then confirms this interpretation, stating that, from the perspective of the gods, Anos and Graham are playwrights or scriptwriters. Rather than simply following the roles assigned to them, they rewrite the script itself.



The implication is that Anos and the Misfits are not merely individuals who refuse to follow the gods' script—they are capable of rewriting it. In Maou Gakuin, the term "Misfit" refers to beings who exist outside Order or have been rejected by it. Both Anos and Graham are Misfits, and they are also beings who destroy and overturn Orders. This is precisely why the author describes them as "playwrights."



Therefore, the "scripts" mentioned by the author can be understood as the Orders of Maou Gakuin. The author's point is that Anos and the Misfits are entities who do not simply reject the roles imposed by Order, but are capable of rewriting and overturning the Orders themselves.

=> Order = Script= Story=Plot
There is no flowery language involved here. The script being referred to is discussed during the era of the Gods of Order, and as is already known, the "script" mentioned at that stage is Order itself. The passage explains that Misfits—beings who exist outside Order and are capable of altering it, such as Anos and Graham—exist beyond the script and can even rewrite it, meaning they can change Order itself.

Therefore, it is reasonable to accept that Order = Script = Plot. It is not merely something predetermined like fate; rather, it unfolds like written text on a page, and Misfits are capable of rewriting or redrawing that text.
Agree:
Neutral:
Disagree:
Sorry for creating another thread. The previous one was closed, and I was being a bit impatient.

Could you delete the old thread for me? It's essentially a duplicate of this one.

 

[DuyVoldigoad]

First, I'll use this CRT as a premise for order is a script/story

Thread 'Upgrade for the Gods ability. Maou Gakuin' https://vsbattles.com/threads/upgrade-for-the-gods-ability-maou-gakuin.141671/

In the thread, it was established that the gods view the world as a stage play and orchestrate its events. All things exist merely as roles assigned by Order, acting according to the framework imposed upon them. However, many argue that this is simply figurative language meant to describe a predetermined arrangement-that is, fate.



Today, I will be refuting that interpretation.



Question:
[気になる点]
自らの嗜好で喜劇と悲劇に優劣をつける興行師は愚かとのことですが、アノス達不適合者はさしずめ自らの嗜好(アノス=愛と優しさ、グラハム=憎悪と醜さ)を極めて一流の作品として世界と言うキャンバスや原稿用紙に形作るようにする作家達と言ったところでしょうか。

サーシャには「おあいにくさま」の決め台詞があるのにミーシャにはこれといった決め台詞を発したことが無いように思えるのですが、もし考案していてこの先で登場するならするのでしょうか？
[一言]
登場人物の能力は性格に応じて影響されている部分もあるのでしょうか？
投稿者： 高桐遥輝
2018年 08月07日 16時02分
管理
ご感想ありがとうございますっ！

Author:

言い得て妙ですねっ。確かに、アノスやグラハムは、神々にとっては脚本家のような存在。しかも、こいつら、興行師の言うこと聞きやがらないどころか、興行師を舞台に立たせる台本書きやがるって感じでしょうねー。


ミーシャは、決め台詞っぽいのは、あまりありませんよね。
そもそも、あんまり喋らないからっていうのはあるかも？

もしかしたら、そのうち、なにか出てくるかもしれません。


登場人物の能力は、やっ
ぱり性格に影響されている部分ありますよー。

ねー。

Source : https://novelcom-syosetu-com.transl...77/?p=741&_x_tr_sl=ja&_x_tr_tl=vi&_x_tr_hl=vi



Trans:
Question
"It is said that a showman who judges comedy and tragedy as superior or inferior according to his own preferences is foolish, but would it be fair to say that the Misfits such as Anos and the others are, so to speak, writers who shape their own preferences (Anos = love and kindness, Graham = hatred and ugliness) into first class works upon the canvas or manuscript paper called the world?
Although Sasha has the catchphrase What a pity for you, it seems to me that Misha has never spoken any particular catchphrase like that. If you have already devised one and it is going to appear later on, will it appear?
Are there parts of the characters abilities that are influenced according to their personalities?"
Author:
"That is a remarkably apt way of putting it. Certainly, from the gods perspective, Anos and Graham are beings much like scriptwriters. Moreover, these guys do not merely refuse to listen to what the showman says they are the sort who would go as far as writing a script that places the showman himself upon the stage.
As for Misha, she does not really have anything resembling a catchphrase. Perhaps that is simply because she does not talk very much in the first place.
Maybe, someday, something like that might appear.
And yes, there are indeed aspects of the characters abilities that are influenced by their personalities."
Source Trans: https://vsbattles.com/threads/official-translation-requests-thread-new-forum.107531/post-7775457


The author then confirms this interpretation, stating that, from the perspective of the gods, Anos and Graham are playwrights or scriptwriters. Rather than simply following the roles assigned to them, they rewrite the script itself.



The implication is that Anos and the Misfits are not merely individuals who refuse to follow the gods' script—they are capable of rewriting it. In Maou Gakuin, the term "Misfit" refers to beings who exist outside Order or have been rejected by it. Both Anos and Graham are Misfits, and they are also beings who destroy and overturn Orders. This is precisely why the author describes them as "playwrights."



Therefore, the "scripts" mentioned by the author can be understood as the Orders of Maou Gakuin. The author's point is that Anos and the Misfits are entities who do not simply reject the roles imposed by Order, but are capable of rewriting and overturning the Orders themselves.

=> Order = Script= Story=Plot
There is no flowery language involved here. The script being referred to is discussed during the era of the Gods of Order, and as is already known, the "script" mentioned at that stage is Order itself. The passage explains that Misfits—beings who exist outside Order and are capable of altering it, such as Anos and Graham—exist beyond the script and can even rewrite it, meaning they can change Order itself.

Therefore, it is reasonable to accept that Order = Script = Plot. It is not merely something predetermined like fate; rather, it unfolds like written text on a page, and Misfits are capable of rewriting or redrawing that text.
Agree:
Neutral:
Disagree:
Sorry for creating another thread. The previous one was closed, and I was being a bit impatient.

Could you delete the old thread for me? It's essentially a duplicate of this one.

"This time it's perfect. Amazing! "

 

[AlexSamDen]

"This time it's perfect. Amazing! "

You do know that you can edit the title without recreating the thread?

And if you opened this one, request all previous to be closed

 

[DuyVoldigoad]

You do know that you can edit the title without recreating the thread?

And if you opened this one, request all previous to be closed

"Yes, however, the previous thread didn't have the tag, so I created a new one instead. As for closing the old thread, thank you for the reminder—I'll do that right away."

 

[Hecky2222]

Agree with NEP Plot

 

[DuyVoldigoad]

Agree with NEP Plot

why?

 

[QualifiedDunlin100]

Hasn't this been brought up over a thousdand times

 

[Orioreeem]

Hasn't this been brought up over a thousdand times

New evidence

 

[QualifiedDunlin100]

New evidence

Well the thread is messy and has no Summary

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

"Yes, however, the previous thread didn't have the tag, so I created a new one instead. As for closing the old thread, thank you for the reminder—I'll do that right away."

you can add tags too, even after a crt is posted. Just click on the tag icon next to the post time below the title.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

you can add tags too, even after a crt is posted. Just click on the tag icon next to the post time at the top of the OP

That was quick

 

[Wnzz_Voldigoad]

Another upgrade?
After a long time

 

[DuyVoldigoad]

Hasn't this been brought up over a thousdand times

Just because something has already been mentioned multiple times does not mean it shouldn't be brought up again, especially when new evidence further supports it. In fact, I think that's exactly why it should be addressed.

Messy? I don't think so. If you read the thread above, everything is consistently portrayed as following a script/story.

I'll quote a passage from the linked thread:

«"Everything is according to the script of the world. Delzogade and Everast Anzetta. You may have thought that by merging the two castles, you could get it back, but it's the same for me."»

— Maou Gakuin WN, Chapter 446

And here, it is explicitly referring to Order, with everything being nothing more than roles arranged by Order:



Therefore:

Order (the script) governs the world and dictates phenomena and events. In other words, Plot/Story is being treated as a fundamental aspect of reality.

It's a fairly straightforward conclusion.

The counterargument was that "script" here merely refers to a form of fate. However, the scan above already refutes that interpretation. Fate manipulation is never described as someone literally "writing a script" that governs and orchestrates things, events, and phenomena in this manner.

It also further supports the equation of Order = Script. The author's intent is clearly that the Misfit exists outside the script (Order) and is capable of rewriting, altering, or even destroying it. This is directly reflected in the narrative through the imagery of writing on paper to change or overturn Order itself.

As such, interpreting Order as a script/story mechanism is not only supported by repeated statements, but also by how the Misfit interacts with and transcends it throughout the series.

 

[RemaxG1]

I kinda agree with this wank. Order being classified as "Fate" doesn't equate to how this wiki defines "Fate Manipulation". And I think this was pretty straight forward.

 

[RemaxG1]

Well the thread is messy and has no Summary

I think it's self explanatory anything lengthy would be messy

 

[Billy390]

First, I'll use this CRT as a premise for order is a script/story

Thread 'Upgrade for the Gods ability. Maou Gakuin' https://vsbattles.com/threads/upgrade-for-the-gods-ability-maou-gakuin.141671/

In the thread, it was established that the gods view the world as a stage play and orchestrate its events. All things exist merely as roles assigned by Order, acting according to the framework imposed upon them. However, many argue that this is simply figurative language meant to describe a predetermined arrangement-that is, fate.



Today, I will be refuting that interpretation.



Question:
[気になる点]
自らの嗜好で喜劇と悲劇に優劣をつける興行師は愚かとのことですが、アノス達不適合者はさしずめ自らの嗜好(アノス=愛と優しさ、グラハム=憎悪と醜さ)を極めて一流の作品として世界と言うキャンバスや原稿用紙に形作るようにする作家達と言ったところでしょうか。

サーシャには「おあいにくさま」の決め台詞があるのにミーシャにはこれといった決め台詞を発したことが無いように思えるのですが、もし考案していてこの先で登場するならするのでしょうか？
[一言]
登場人物の能力は性格に応じて影響されている部分もあるのでしょうか？
投稿者： 高桐遥輝
2018年 08月07日 16時02分
管理
ご感想ありがとうございますっ！

Author:

言い得て妙ですねっ。確かに、アノスやグラハムは、神々にとっては脚本家のような存在。しかも、こいつら、興行師の言うこと聞きやがらないどころか、興行師を舞台に立たせる台本書きやがるって感じでしょうねー。


ミーシャは、決め台詞っぽいのは、あまりありませんよね。
そもそも、あんまり喋らないからっていうのはあるかも？

もしかしたら、そのうち、なにか出てくるかもしれません。


登場人物の能力は、やっ
ぱり性格に影響されている部分ありますよー。

ねー。

Source : https://novelcom-syosetu-com.transl...77/?p=741&_x_tr_sl=ja&_x_tr_tl=vi&_x_tr_hl=vi



Trans:
Question
"It is said that a showman who judges comedy and tragedy as superior or inferior according to his own preferences is foolish, but would it be fair to say that the Misfits such as Anos and the others are, so to speak, writers who shape their own preferences (Anos = love and kindness, Graham = hatred and ugliness) into first class works upon the canvas or manuscript paper called the world?
Although Sasha has the catchphrase What a pity for you, it seems to me that Misha has never spoken any particular catchphrase like that. If you have already devised one and it is going to appear later on, will it appear?
Are there parts of the characters abilities that are influenced according to their personalities?"
Author:
"That is a remarkably apt way of putting it. Certainly, from the gods perspective, Anos and Graham are beings much like scriptwriters. Moreover, these guys do not merely refuse to listen to what the showman says they are the sort who would go as far as writing a script that places the showman himself upon the stage.
As for Misha, she does not really have anything resembling a catchphrase. Perhaps that is simply because she does not talk very much in the first place.
Maybe, someday, something like that might appear.
And yes, there are indeed aspects of the characters abilities that are influenced by their personalities."
Source Trans: https://vsbattles.com/threads/official-translation-requests-thread-new-forum.107531/post-7775457


The author then confirms this interpretation, stating that, from the perspective of the gods, Anos and Graham are playwrights or scriptwriters. Rather than simply following the roles assigned to them, they rewrite the script itself.



The implication is that Anos and the Misfits are not merely individuals who refuse to follow the gods' script—they are capable of rewriting it. In Maou Gakuin, the term "Misfit" refers to beings who exist outside Order or have been rejected by it. Both Anos and Graham are Misfits, and they are also beings who destroy and overturn Orders. This is precisely why the author describes them as "playwrights."



Therefore, the "scripts" mentioned by the author can be understood as the Orders of Maou Gakuin. The author's point is that Anos and the Misfits are entities who do not simply reject the roles imposed by Order, but are capable of rewriting and overturning the Orders themselves.

=> Order = Script= Story=Plot
There is no flowery language involved here. The script being referred to is discussed during the era of the Gods of Order, and as is already known, the "script" mentioned at that stage is Order itself. The passage explains that Misfits—beings who exist outside Order and are capable of altering it, such as Anos and Graham—exist beyond the script and can even rewrite it, meaning they can change Order itself.

Therefore, it is reasonable to accept that Order = Script = Plot. It is not merely something predetermined like fate; rather, it unfolds like written text on a page, and Misfits are capable of rewriting or redrawing that text.
Agree:
Neutral:
Disagree:
Sorry for creating another thread. The previous one was closed, and I was being a bit impatient.

Could you delete the old thread for me? It's essentially a duplicate of this one.

I don't know what to say. This is pretty straightforward ngl

 

[Orioreeem]

Seems fine

 

[DuyVoldigoad]

Seems fine

Can I tag an admin or staff member to take a look at the issue above?

 

[ReasonedZebra834]

O simples fato de algo já ter sido mencionado várias vezes não significa que não deva ser abordado novamente, especialmente quando novas evidências o corroboram. Aliás, acredito que seja exatamente por isso que o assunto deve ser discutido.

Confuso? Acho que não. Se você ler o tópico acima, tudo é consistentemente retratado como seguindo um roteiro/história.

Vou citar um trecho do tópico em questão:

"Tudo acontece conforme o roteiro do mundo. Delzogade e Everast Anzetta. Você pode ter pensado que, unindo os dois castelos, conseguiria recuperá-lo, mas para mim é a mesma coisa."

-Maou Gakuin WN, Capítulo 446

E aqui, refere-se explicitamente à Ordem, sendo tudo nada mais do que papéis organizados pela Ordem:



Portanto:

A ordem (o roteiro) governa o mundo e dita os fenômenos e eventos. Em outras palavras, o enredo/história está sendo tratado como um aspecto fundamental da realidade.

É uma conclusão bastante simples.

O contra-argumento era que "roteiro" aqui se refere meramente a uma forma de destino. No entanto, a análise acima já refuta essa interpretação. A manipulação do destino nunca é descrita como alguém literalmente "escrevendo um roteiro" que governa e orquestra coisas, eventos e fenômenos dessa maneira.

Isso também reforça a equação Ordem = Roteiro. A intenção do autor é claramente que o Desajustado existe fora do roteiro (Ordem) e é capaz de reescrevê-lo, alterá-lo ou até mesmo destruí-lo. Isso se reflete diretamente na narrativa por meio da imagem da escrita em papel para mudar ou subverter a própria Ordem.

Assim, interpretar a Ordem como um mecanismo de roteiro/história não é apenas sustentado por afirmações repetidas, mas também pela forma como o Misfit interage com ela e a transcende ao longo da série.

Is a web novel question canonical?

 

[DuyVoldigoad]

Is a web novel question canonical?

I think so. It helps us better understand what the author intended, what they were thinking while writing the story, and how things work within the series.

 

[Orioreeem]

Can I tag an admin or staff member to take a look at the issue above?

Àsk them on their wal. Only other stuff members can ping them

 

[Billy390]

Is a web novel question canonical?

Maou Gakuin's LN consistently follows the WN, so there's no issue.

 

[Caduz213]

First, I'll use this CRT as a premise for order is a script/story

Thread 'Upgrade for the Gods ability. Maou Gakuin' https://vsbattles.com/threads/upgrade-for-the-gods-ability-maou-gakuin.141671/

In the thread, it was established that the gods view the world as a stage play and orchestrate its events. All things exist merely as roles assigned by Order, acting according to the framework imposed upon them. However, many argue that this is simply figurative language meant to describe a predetermined arrangement-that is, fate.



Today, I will be refuting that interpretation.



Question:
[気になる点]
自らの嗜好で喜劇と悲劇に優劣をつける興行師は愚かとのことですが、アノス達不適合者はさしずめ自らの嗜好(アノス=愛と優しさ、グラハム=憎悪と醜さ)を極めて一流の作品として世界と言うキャンバスや原稿用紙に形作るようにする作家達と言ったところでしょうか。

サーシャには「おあいにくさま」の決め台詞があるのにミーシャにはこれといった決め台詞を発したことが無いように思えるのですが、もし考案していてこの先で登場するならするのでしょうか？
[一言]
登場人物の能力は性格に応じて影響されている部分もあるのでしょうか？
投稿者： 高桐遥輝
2018年 08月07日 16時02分
管理
ご感想ありがとうございますっ！

Author:

言い得て妙ですねっ。確かに、アノスやグラハムは、神々にとっては脚本家のような存在。しかも、こいつら、興行師の言うこと聞きやがらないどころか、興行師を舞台に立たせる台本書きやがるって感じでしょうねー。


ミーシャは、決め台詞っぽいのは、あまりありませんよね。
そもそも、あんまり喋らないからっていうのはあるかも？

もしかしたら、そのうち、なにか出てくるかもしれません。


登場人物の能力は、やっ
ぱり性格に影響されている部分ありますよー。

ねー。

Source : https://novelcom-syosetu-com.transl...77/?p=741&_x_tr_sl=ja&_x_tr_tl=vi&_x_tr_hl=vi



Trans:
Question
"It is said that a showman who judges comedy and tragedy as superior or inferior according to his own preferences is foolish, but would it be fair to say that the Misfits such as Anos and the others are, so to speak, writers who shape their own preferences (Anos = love and kindness, Graham = hatred and ugliness) into first class works upon the canvas or manuscript paper called the world?
Although Sasha has the catchphrase What a pity for you, it seems to me that Misha has never spoken any particular catchphrase like that. If you have already devised one and it is going to appear later on, will it appear?
Are there parts of the characters abilities that are influenced according to their personalities?"
Author:
"That is a remarkably apt way of putting it. Certainly, from the gods perspective, Anos and Graham are beings much like scriptwriters. Moreover, these guys do not merely refuse to listen to what the showman says they are the sort who would go as far as writing a script that places the showman himself upon the stage.
As for Misha, she does not really have anything resembling a catchphrase. Perhaps that is simply because she does not talk very much in the first place.
Maybe, someday, something like that might appear.
And yes, there are indeed aspects of the characters abilities that are influenced by their personalities."
Source Trans: https://vsbattles.com/threads/official-translation-requests-thread-new-forum.107531/post-7775457


The author then confirms this interpretation, stating that, from the perspective of the gods, Anos and Graham are playwrights or scriptwriters. Rather than simply following the roles assigned to them, they rewrite the script itself.



The implication is that Anos and the Misfits are not merely individuals who refuse to follow the gods' script—they are capable of rewriting it. In Maou Gakuin, the term "Misfit" refers to beings who exist outside Order or have been rejected by it. Both Anos and Graham are Misfits, and they are also beings who destroy and overturn Orders. This is precisely why the author describes them as "playwrights."



Therefore, the "scripts" mentioned by the author can be understood as the Orders of Maou Gakuin. The author's point is that Anos and the Misfits are entities who do not simply reject the roles imposed by Order, but are capable of rewriting and overturning the Orders themselves.

=> Order = Script= Story=Plot
There is no flowery language involved here. The script being referred to is discussed during the era of the Gods of Order, and as is already known, the "script" mentioned at that stage is Order itself. The passage explains that Misfits—beings who exist outside Order and are capable of altering it, such as Anos and Graham—exist beyond the script and can even rewrite it, meaning they can change Order itself.

Therefore, it is reasonable to accept that Order = Script = Plot. It is not merely something predetermined like fate; rather, it unfolds like written text on a page, and Misfits are capable of rewriting or redrawing that text.
Agree:
Neutral:
Disagree:
Sorry for creating another thread. The previous one was closed, and I was being a bit impatient.

Could you delete the old thread for me? It's essentially a duplicate of this one.

It's amazing how they had to go looking for the author's response before these denialists finally started accepting something that was already obvious... I agree with the update

 

[ReasonedZebra834]

Maou Gakuin's LN consistently follows the WN, so there's no issue.

Uhhhhh

 

[Robo432343]

disagree with using author statements for mgk

 

[Dereck03]

Do I really think this is a valid argument? The reason previous attempts failed was that the statement we had wasn’t sufficient; it was treated as an analogy in and of itself. But with this new claim, which completely changes the way we can approach this issue, it seems like a substantial contribution, and this time I might accept that the order should be “script/plot.”

 

[Bahaha]

Anos and the others are, so to speak, writers who shape their own preferences (Anos = love and kindness, Graham = hatred and ugliness)

Are there parts of the characters abilities that are influenced according to their personalities

That is a remarkably apt way of putting it.

Certainly, from the gods perspective, Anos and Graham are beings much like scriptwriters

these guys do not merely refuse to listen to what the showman says they are the sort who would go as far as writing a script that places the showman himself upon the stage.

This is literally the author confirming misfits are beings that ignore the god's orders and transform the world into their preferences by using a metaphor, like most authors learn in middle school. How this is an actual discussion is beyond me.

 

[Robo432343]

The OP is poorly written and lacks a lot of evidence required for plot manip...just simply linked a rejected thread and is using a horrible author statement like that as main evidence

 

[DuyVoldigoad]

Hãy hỏi họ trên tường của họ. Chỉ những thành viên khác mới có thể nhắn tin cho họ.

This is literally the author confirming misfits are beings that ignore the god's orders and transform the world into their preferences by using a metaphor, like most authors learn in middle school. How this is an actual discussion is beyond me.

You do have a point: the script here is referring to Order. However, that does not automatically mean it is a metaphor. The author explicitly refers to it as Order, and Order within the series is also described as a script/story.
It would only be a metaphor if it were being used merely for imagery or comparison, where the two concepts share only limited similarities. But that is not what is happening here.
Saying that Order is a script is a statement about the nature and characteristics of the concept itself. It should not be automatically interpreted as a metaphor, nor should it be dismissed as one without sufficient evidence.
What I presented actually reinforces the idea that it is literally a script, because it functions as one. For example, writing on paper can alter the world, and events or scenarios within the series can be staged and arranged in advance. These are not just superficial similarities; they are direct functions associated with a script/story.

 

[DuyVoldigoad]

The OP is poorly written and lacks a lot of evidence required for plot manip...just simply linked a rejected thread and is using a horrible author statement like that as main evidence

It's not a bad source, since it directly addresses what the author thinks about the series and how they wrote it.

I think everyone knows that Q&A sections are frequently used because they help us better understand what the story is portraying and what the author intended or wrote into the narrative.

 

[Delta333]

horrible author statement like that as main evidence

Author statement is always used as a backup evidence unless it's contradicted to the main material, anyways agree with the thread.

 

[Robo432343]

Author statement is always used as a backup evidence unless it's contradicted to the main material

And OP is using it as main evidence while linking a rejected thread without any elaboration

anyways agree with the thread.

No

 

[Tatsumi504]

This is literally the author confirming misfits are beings that ignore the god's orders and transform the world into their preferences by using a metaphor, like most authors learn in middle school. How this is an actual discussion is beyond me.

How isn't it an actual discussion? While I agree that it is akin to being metaphorical for Misfits, it doesn't deny that "Order" is a script which I believe is what the OP is proposing.

I agree with order being the script but I disagree on Misfits being able to shape or rewrite it to their whims. It's not that Misfits can shape or rewrite the script to their whims. They not only don't listen, their actions also force the showmen to come unto the stage. Simply put, they resist the power of the gods as well as have the power to force them to partake to restore things to the way it's supposed to be.

The OP is poorly written

You're one to talk

 

[Robo432343]

better to leave something like this to the knowledgeable supporters smh

 

[RemaxG1]

And OP is using it as main evidence while linking a rejected thread without any elaboration

Said thread was rejected as not having a strong arguments to back it up but this one does. And you speak as if it's wrong to use old arguments.

a horrible author statement like that as main evidence

Again I see nothing wrong with this as long as it proves an argument such as this.

better to leave something like this to the knowledgeable supporters smh

Yeah you should

 

[Rikimarox2]

This is literally the author confirming misfits are beings that ignore the god's orders and transform the world into their preferences by using a metaphor, like most authors learn in middle school. How this is an actual discussion is beyond me.

Seconding this.

I'm not knowledgeable on this verse, so there might be more stuff that I don't know about. But, I genuinely do not get how this is even close to enough for Plot Manipulation? Everything here seems metaphorical instead of Order being an actual, concrete Narrative/Script structure that controls the entire world. Doesn't help that the question itself is phrased in such a way to be a metaphor, or that the scans in the previous CRT directly mention Fate instead of, you know, an actual Narrative.

Also, unless the translation is wrong, I'm not even why we are using an author statement that quite literally says "Oh that's a good way of putting it!" to a metaphorical question. Like, even the author's answer is leaning more into the metaphorical side, agreeing that they are indeed similar to writers, but not an actual writer controlling a narrative that exists in the world.

Then again, there might be more statements or stuff that I don't know about (Maybe something like there being a Narrative or whatnot, very direct feats, etc...), but for now, I disagree with this.

 

[DuyVoldigoad]

How isn't it an actual discussion? While I agree that it is akin to being metaphorical for Misfits, it doesn't deny that "Order" is a script which I believe is what the OP is proposing.

I agree with order being the script but I disagree on Misfits being able to shape or rewrite it to their whims. It's not that Misfits can shape or rewrite the script to their whims. They not only don't listen, their actions also force the showmen to come unto the stage. Simply put, they resist the power of the gods as well as have the power to force them to partake to restore things to the way it's supposed to be.

You're one to talk

Misfits are fundamentally just beings that exist outside the framework, so it was my mistake to say they can rewrite Order when, in reality, only Anos and Graham have demonstrated the ability to do that.

I tend to say things as they come to mind, so I ended up making quite a few mistakes and posting without enough preparation. I sincerely apologize for this oversight and lack of accuracy.

 

[DuyVoldigoad]

Seconding this.

I'm not knowledgeable on this verse, so there might be more stuff that I don't know about. But, I genuinely do not get how this is even close to enough for Plot Manipulation? Everything here seems metaphorical instead of Order being an actual, concrete Narrative/Script structure that controls the entire world. Doesn't help that the question itself is phrased in such a way to be a metaphor, or that the scans in the previous CRT directly mention Fate instead of, you know, an actual Narrative.

Also, unless the translation is wrong, I'm not even why we are using an author statement that quite literally says "Oh that's a good way of putting it!" to a metaphorical question. Like, even the author's answer is leaning more into the metaphorical side, agreeing that they are indeed similar to writers, but not an actual writer controlling a narrative that exists in the world.

Then again, there might be more statements or stuff that I don't know about (Maybe something like there being a Narrative or whatnot, very direct feats, etc...), but for now, I disagree with this.

You can check the link to the old thread that I attached from the beginning. It already contains the arguments regarding Order governing reality and how it operates the world, as well as evidence that it influences and dictates events, which are characteristics associated with a plot.

Therefore, if someone can destroy an Order, that would qualify as Plot Manipulation. Likewise, imposing an Order onto something and controlling it through that Order, as the gods do, would also qualify as Plot Manipulation.

It's quite straightforward, isn't it?

 

[DuyVoldigoad]

And OP is using it as main evidence while linking a rejected thread without any elaboration

No

?
Did I not explain it? Are you really sure about that?

In the thread, I clearly stated that this post is meant to refute every argument claiming that Order is merely a metaphor referring to ordinary Fate. I pointed out that it should not be treated as Fate at all, but rather accepted as a Script, because no concept of Fate is ever depicted as being literally written on paper like a story in a book. You understand that, right?

Perhaps my thread has shortcomings in its presentation, but that does not mean its core argument should not be recognized as valid.

 

[KamitoSam119]

because no concept of Fate is ever depicted as being literally written on paper like a story in a book. You understand that, right?

There are plenty. That's the reason why the first thread is rejected in the first place. But considering how the author's repetitive statement of Order to be like a story and the one escaping them, who is also able to rewrite them, is called playwrights. I think it is sufficient to say that it is acceptable for now unless there are evidence contradicting such statements.