False R>F

[Thanganimator]

Bump

 

[Thanganimator]

I think instances that strongly break the fourth wall, such as having a real world below that is fiction but they can go up and down between these two realities, should also be counted as False R>F.

 

[Antvasima]

What currently needs to be done here?

 

[Thanganimator]

What currently needs to be done here?

ActuallySpaceMan42's proposal and draft received a fair amount of support.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:ActuallySpaceMan42/RF

I think all you need to do now is consider it.

 

[Antvasima]

In what ways does it differ from our current version of the page exactly?

 

[Thanganimator]

In what ways does it differ from our current version of the page exactly?

It introduces new terminology and clarifies Quantitative R>F, which UdlMaster and ActuallySpaceMan42 discussed in this thread. From what I've seen, the staff all find it good.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Can somebody show me the specific changes that were made please?

 

[Thanganimator]

Okay. Can somebody show me the specific changes that were made please?

It's here

Quantitative Reality-Fiction Transcendence

Not every case that resembles Reality-Fiction Transcendence will qualify as a genuine Reality-Fiction gap. However, failing to qualify as Reality-Fiction Transcendence does not necessarily mean that the showing has no tiering relevance. In some cases, the same evidence may still support a different kind of superiority, provided that the verse gives sufficient context for a genuine structural, quantitative, or dimensional difference rather than merely using reality-fiction language as a metaphor.

For instance, if an entire lower space-time continuum is contained within the pages of a book, a screen, a painting, or another medium in a higher reality, but the lower world is still shown to possess tangible existence relative to that higher reality, then this would not be true Reality-Fiction Transcendence. Nevertheless, the showing may still be evaluated under other tiering standards if the higher reality’s relationship to the lower one demonstrates more than simple containment, size difference, or perspective.

Examples may include the lower reality being consistently treated as infinitesimal, or spatially inferior structure; the higher realm encompassing the lower continuum in a way that implies an uncountably infinite or otherwise quantitative difference; or the lower world functioning as a physically embedded subset or cross-section the higher world. Likewise, a character viewing lower beings, objects, universes, or space-time structures as flat, paper-like, screen-like, two-dimensional, or otherwise negligible in comparison to themselves can be relevant evidence if the portrayal is literal and consistent.

That said, such cases should be evaluated carefully. A failed Reality-Fiction Transcendence claim should not be upgraded by default. Merely being weaker, smaller, contained within or viewed through a fictional medium, or described as “less real,” is not enough if the work also provides evidence contradicting the premise of that transcendence. Likewise, statements that something is a “higher plane,” “higher world,” “more real,” “outside the story,” or “beyond space-time” are insufficient on their own unless supported by context showing what kind of superiority is actually being described.

As such, these statements should not unconditionally grant any form of superiority when the evidence contradicts the claimed transcendence.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you. That seems good to me as well then.

 

[Thanganimator]

Thank you. That seems good to me as well then.

So what now?

 

[Antvasima]

Which staff members have agreed with the change, and which ones that have contributed to this thread still need to make a judgement call regarding the issue?

 

[Thanganimator]

Which staff members have agreed with the change, and which ones that have contributed to this thread still need to make a judgement call regarding the issue?

Those who agreed included: DonttalkTD, Vietthai96, ActuallySpaceMan42, Celestial_Pegasus, Ultima_Reality, and it seems no one objected. Example issues regarding False R>F are planned to be in a separate thread.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Then the accepted revisions can probably be applied now.

 

[Thanganimator]

Okay. Then the accepted revisions can probably be applied now.

So what do I need to do next to open the page and add this new term?

 

[Antvasima]

I have unlocked the relevant page for you. Tell us here when you are done please.

Reality-Fiction Transcendence

It is not uncommon in fiction for characters to view lesser realities as if they were fiction, in much the same way as a real world human would view fiction. Frequently that comes in the form of almighty author characters which can freely rewrite those lesser realities. The other way around...

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Thanganimator]

I have unlocked the relevant page for you. Tell us here when you are done please.

Reality-Fiction Transcendence

It is not uncommon in fiction for characters to view lesser realities as if they were fiction, in much the same way as a real world human would view fiction. Frequently that comes in the form of almighty author characters which can freely rewrite those lesser realities. The other way around...

vsbattles.fandom.com

Okay, I've applied the changes.

 

[Thanganimator]

I have unlocked the relevant page for you. Tell us here when you are done please.

Reality-Fiction Transcendence

It is not uncommon in fiction for characters to view lesser realities as if they were fiction, in much the same way as a real world human would view fiction. Frequently that comes in the form of almighty author characters which can freely rewrite those lesser realities. The other way around...

vsbattles.fandom.com

The page and this thread can be closed now

 

[Thanganimator]

It seems Ant is busy, so if any staff members read this, please close the Reality Fiction Transcedence page and this thread.

 

[Antvasima]

I have handled it. Thank you to everybody who helped out here.