The Peak finally decides to embrace his redemption arc. (TV Deep vs Comic Homelander 1-6-0)

[Omegas03]

Long story short The Peak takes Annie's advice and decides to stop Homelander from taking over the world. Stats below

The Deep's 8-C key (0.428 tons of TNT and Class 5 LS).

Homelander's 9-A key (massively upscales from ~0.061 tons of TNT and Class K LS)

Fight takes place inside the oval office.

Speed equalized

The Deep: 1

Homelander: 6

Soldier Boy blasts them both:

 

[Comiphorous]

Comic Homelander deadass doesn't dodge. He'd let The Deep hit him and he'd fking die with that one-shot gap.

The Deep has a 9-A end.

 

[Omegas03]

Comic Homelander deadass doesn't dodge. He'd let The Deep hit him and he'd fking die with that one-shot gap.

The Deep has a 9-A end.

Which is 3x weaker than Homelander's, and puts him with legit 0 wincon even if I equalize speed

 

[Pyro9278]

The Deep has no heat resistance, so if the speed isn't equalized, it's still a stomp.

 

[Omegas03]

Fair point, lemme equalize speed.

 

[Pyro9278]

Homelander's link leads to Reddit
Now, regarding the fight. It's not really a one-shot, since the AP gap is 7x, and for a one-shot it's 7.5x (8x), and since Homelander's value increases, the gap is slightly smaller than it seems. The Deep won't kill Homelander in one hit, but considering how incompetent he is at fighting, he'll be easily overwhelmed and will then resort to his LS or heat vision

 

[Omegas03]

Homelander's link leads to Reddit
Now, regarding the fight. It's not really a one-shot, since the AP gap is 7x, and for a one-shot it's 7.5x (8x), and since Homelander's value increases, the gap is slightly smaller than it seems. The Deep won't kill Homelander in one hit, but considering how incompetent he is at fighting, he'll be easily overwhelmed and will then resort to his LS or heat vision

I take that as a vote for Deep or HL?

 

[Pyro9278]

I take that as a vote for Deep or HL?

Because of Deep's lack of acrobatic advantages, I will vote for HL.

 

[Random-Helper323]

There's something to factor in. Comic Homelander is the type who might outlast Deep due to perseverance. Unlike TV Homelander, Comic Homelander is extremely determined and would literally fight to the death through sheer rage. Isn't the Deep a coward, not to mention every bit as unskilled as Homelander?

 

[Pyro9278]

There's something to factor in. Comic Homelander is the type who might outlast Deep due to perseverance. Unlike TV Homelander, Comic Homelander is extremely determined and would literally fight to the death through sheer rage. Isn't the Deep a coward, not to mention every bit as unskilled as Homelander?

That's another point; this version of Homelander is much more resilient than the TV version. Meanwhile, Deep is too cowardly to withstand a beating, or even survive one, since HL's heat vision or LS would inevitably leave him injured.

 

[Random-Helper323]

That's another point; this version of Homelander is much more resilient than the TV version. Meanwhile, Deep is too cowardly to withstand a beating, or even survive one, since HL's heat vision or LS would inevitably leave him injured.

If Homelander flies into rage and charges, and gets hit and takes significant damage only to charge through it, how does Deep react? Isn't he the type to panic or try to run or hide?

 

[Pyro9278]

If Homelander flies into rage and charges, and gets hit and takes significant damage only to charge through it, how does Deep react? Isn't he the type to panic or try to run or hide?

He'd probably run or hide, anything to avoid a fight, especially considering how much he idolizes Homelander. Although, it's also possible Homelander will let himself be attacked, and then Deep could gain the upper hand initially and even take him out, since Homelander isn't going to get angry out of nowhere or charge to kill Deep unless he's provoked first.

 

[Omegas03]

Has Deep actually ran from an actual fight? I mean, this is Homelander we are talking about so it probably may be a yes. couldn't Deep just realize that this one looks different and think that he's a faker or something.

But yes Homelander has some nice advantages up his sleeve. Flight, HV and the fact that he's not going to fold until Deep either knocks him out unconscious or tears him apart.

Deep still has a nice AP advantage to capitalize on.

so

HL

+HV/range

+sound manip

+both are shitty fighters, but HL is way wilder so he'd have the advantage just based on that

+pain tolerance

-cocky, he'll likely let Deep land the first hit

Deep

+he's noticeably stronger

+gets a free shot

-he's a coward

-extremely prone to HL's sonic scream

 

[Omegas03]

Bump

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Voting homander fra

 

[Omegas03]

Bump

 

[Doggo]

The Peak does not peak FRA

 

[Omegas03]

Deep is going to lose to someone a tier weaker than him

 

[Doggo]

Deep is going to lose to someone a tier weaker than him

You can say its quite...deep

 

[MannyQ361]

Voting Homelander fra.

 

[Pyro9278]

HL FRA

 

[Homie890]

Omelandah fra

 

[Omegas03]

1 more for grace

Where r the Peak supporters

 

[Omegas03]

Comic Homelander deadass doesn't dodge. He'd let The Deep hit him and he'd fking die with that one-shot gap.

The Deep has a 9-A end.

And also, this comment makes an extremely good point for Deep.

 

[Comiphorous]

And also, this comment makes an extremely good point for Deep.

I mean, what really stops The Deep from punching through Homelander's head? He has the ap gap to unironically do that incredibly early on, Homelander's immortality doesn't cover such damage, and doesn't dodge for shit anyways.

 

[Omegas03]

I mean, what really stops The Deep from punching through Homelander's head? He has the ap gap to unironically do that incredibly early on, Homelander's immortality doesn't cover such damage, and doesn't dodge for shit anyways.

7.5x gap is required for one shot and Homelander has a decent scaling chain on top of his value (the gap being already 7x).

I don't think its quite an one shot, but Homelander is at least getting his jaw dropped with a punch/severely wounded.

How the Match plays out after the initial hit, god knows.

 

[Omegas03]

Bump

 

[Comiphorous]

7.5x gap is required for one shot and Homelander has a decent scaling chain on top of his value (the gap being already 7x).

Yeah deep is right under that one-shot gap, his upscaling isn't saving him from that gap.

I don't think its quite an one shot, but Homelander is at least getting his jaw dropped with a punch/severely wounded.

Black Noir, who just upscales above Homelander was able to butcher him with one punch. Deep is basically doing the exact same thing here, but worse. The Deep might unironically accidentally do it as well.

 

[Huesito88]

Yeah deep is right under that one-shot gap, his upscaling isn't saving him from that gap.

It's actually 8 times difference

 

[Comiphorous]

It's actually 8 times difference

Has it been officially changed recently or something? It's been 7.5 for as long as i've been here.

 

[Huesito88]

Has it been officially changed recently or something? It's been 7.5 for as long as i've been here.

"With a humanoid character, versus threads usually treat the assailant as needing an Attack Potency eight times higher than their opponent's durability to one-shot them. This gap comes from the difference between the upper bound of a Human level character's strength (106 Joules) and the energy needed to fragment an average human skull in one blow (838.5 Joules). "

It was changed nearly a year now.... (Wow time flew by)

 

[Comiphorous]

"With a humanoid character, versus threads usually treat the assailant as needing an Attack Potency eight times higher than their opponent's durability to one-shot them. This gap comes from the difference between the upper bound of a Human level character's strength (106 Joules) and the energy needed to fragment an average human skull in one blow (838.5 Joules). "

It was changed nearly a year now.... (Wow time flew by)

106x8 isn't 838.5 ...

What are these rules lmao

 

[Huesito88]

106x8 isn't 838.5 ...

It was rounded up as 8 times for the sake up of simplicity

 

[Comiphorous]

It was rounded up as 8 times for the sake up of simplicity

Lowkey dumb as hell.

Anyways, my point still doesn't change. He's 7 times stronger and already so close to the one-shot gap than even Black Noir's 9-A is, who easily blow chunks of Homlander's flesh off his body fairly casually. Deep might end the fight in a few punches, especially if he just punches through Homelander's skull.

 

[Omegas03]

Yeah deep is right under that one-shot gap, his upscaling isn't saving him from that gap.

It kinda does.

Homelander is like one-two one shot gaps above his value

Homelander > (one shot) Maeve > (unknown gap) Stormfront = the original value. Honestly this should be a two shot ish gap or three shot.

 

[Omegas03]

Lowkey dumb as hell.

Anyways, my point still doesn't change. He's 7 times stronger and already so close to the one-shot gap than even Black Noir's 9-A is, who easily blow chunks of Homlander's flesh off his body fairly casually. Deep might end the fight in a few punches, especially if he just punches through Homelander's skull.

Although I agree Deep would win this fight contrary to the general conseus of most of the thread, but ehhh. Homelander has a couple wincons provided he uses his range advantage+heat vision+sound manip in a semi intelligent way

 

[Homie890]

106x8 isn't 838.5 ...

What are these rules lmao

Staff team being staff i guess.

 

[Pyro9278]

Although I agree Deep would win this fight contrary to the general conseus of most of the thread, but ehhh. Homelander has a couple wincons provided he uses his range advantage+heat vision+sound manip in a semi intelligent way

Add to that the ridiculous advantage of LS. Furthermore, even if Deep lands a hit, he's far too incompetent in combat to deal with LS's advantage, Homelander's flight, the lightning, or the latter two simultaneously. And Homelander has a relatively significant stamina advantage here, so he can withstand Deep's initial blow... This fight is a battle of who lasts longer, to be honest