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Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

Doggo said:

My progress so far with the CH team profile

Do you guys have matching photos for TB, Daniel, and March? Also, some suggestions for the teamwork section.
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TB doesn't have one of these unfortunately so I'd honestly suggest putting their Chrysos Heir cards since TB has one (the ones you see in As I've Written)
 
Doggo said:

My progress so far with the CH team profile

Do you guys have matching photos for TB, Daniel, and March? Also, some suggestions for the teamwork section.
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As for teamwork I'd say that they'd probably be really cohesive and coordinated due to possessing billions upon billions of years of memories of each other and their various weakness, strengths, etc. Khaslana alone could almostly completely predict the choices of every Chrysos Heir (with the exception of Cerydra and Hysilens as he never went beyond cooperation with those two) around a hundred cycles in before he lost his sanity and became the Flame Reaver, with the only times he's been caught off guard after that being caused by the Heirs' concern for his wellbeing (Anaxa in ER134, Hyacine in ER23570000). Every other Chrysos Heir would probably gain similar if not even greater levels of understanding of each other by the end of Amphoreus.
 
Scrubforhire said:
As for teamwork I'd say that they'd probably be really cohesive and coordinated due to possessing billions upon billions of years of memories of each other and their various weakness, strengths, etc. Khaslana alone could almostly completely predict the choices of every Chrysos Heir (with the exception of Cerydra and Hysilens as he never went beyond cooperation with those two) around a hundred cycles in before he lost his sanity and became the Flame Reaver, with the only times he's been caught off guard after that being caused by the Heirs' concern for his wellbeing (Anaxa in ER134, Hyacine in ER23570000). Every other Chrysos Heir would probably gain similar if not even greater levels of understanding of each other by the end of Amphoreus.
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Interestingly enough, Khaslana may actually possess nearly double the experience due to the NeiKos496 signal being "one entity" but splitting whenever Phainon is born, causing the same signal to live two parallel lifetimes simultaneously and then merging at the end of each of Recurrence. I recall there being a piece of dialogue somewhere that tells us that Phainon during the ER has vague dreams where he experiences the POV of the Flame Reaver in his sleep, which is likely caused by the severe damage in the NeiKos signal's cognitive functions from maintaining the ER causing their memories to bleed out to each other subconsciously.
 
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TWILIGHT-OP said:
@Mbpoops
I got a complaint about you. Anything to say?
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I addressed this to Reiner04 and Planck as well
Hello.

The previous CRT regarding Acheron resulted in the removal of Acausality from the relevant profiles. However, that thread appears to have created a broader issue regarding the justification structure of those profiles.

The feat discussed in that CRT was not used exclusively to justify Acausality. Rather, it served as the basis for multiple abilities and resistances, including but not limited to History Erasure, History Erasure Resistance, Space-Time Erasure, Space-Time Erasure Resistance, Information Erasure, Information Erasure Resistance, Conceptual Erasure, Conceptual Erasure Resistance, and potentially several others depending on the profile in question. Additionally, these abilities are chainscalled to multiple other profiles.

Despite this, the discussion in the original CRT was focused almost entirely on Acausality itself. The wider implications of accepting or rejecting the feat as a whole were never comprehensively addressed. As a result, only one ability was removed while numerous other abilities deriving from the same feat remained untouched.

If the conclusion was that the feat no longer supports Acausality, then either:
  1. The feat itself remained valid and only the Acausality interpretation was rejected (not possible as the feat is used for at least 5 more abilities) or
  2. The feat was deemed invalid altogether, in which case every ability and resistance justified by that feat should have been reevaluated simultaneously.
Instead, the result has been a fragmented situation where the same feat is being revisited repeatedly through separate CRTs targeting individual abilities one at a time.

Four days ago, I created a CRT intended to restore Acausality and address these inconsistencies. However, despite the original thread having concluded approximately two weeks earlier, a new CRT was subsequently opened seeking to remove History Erasure as well.

If the original feat was already debated and used as the foundation for the Acausality discussion, then the validity of that feat should have been settled during that CRT. Reopening separate threads to challenge individual abilities derived from the exact same feat effectively results in the underlying feat being relitigated repeatedly rather than addressed comprehensively. I believe my thread addresses every argument and tackles the feat entirely and thus every skill/resistance deriving from it and should thus be used to address it once and for all.
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Mbpoops said:
playing aba so uh if this gets worst someone can lmk off site ig but this is genuienly so silly 😭
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How is it silly when you and your friends are spamming CRTs without knowing what comes from where and changing things randomly? This isn't the first time you've done this. Other people have called you out about applying changes in your past CRTs that weren't voted.
 
Nighting4l33yes said:
How is it silly when you and your friends are spamming CRTs without knowing what comes from where and changing things randomly? This isn't the first time you've done this.
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Is this against the rules of the forum? (OFC changing things randomly is, but I really doubt this, and even so, they should've been reported separately)
No. It isn't.

Staff have agreed with the removal of history EE, but I think it's fair to be annoyed with a 2nd CRT being opened on the matter.

However, being fully realistic, and I don't want you to take any offense to this, your CRT isn't concise and is a rather difficult read. The multi-page long back and forth doesn't help either, and that's also kinda fair to be annoyed at. Your CRT from my view makes a lot of assumptions (Izumo being being known and communicated coming from it being on the Astral Charts, but we don't know much about the Astral Charts. The idea someone had to communicate with Izumo because they're on these Charts is also an assumption. Have we communicated with every planet we've discovered?) and I also disagree with the idea that all of these abilities are contingent on one another.

You can disagree with History EE because it has antifeats, but agree with the planet being erased. You can also disagree with the planet being erased and think it was just destroyed.

But I don't think anything Scoops has done is explicitly against the rules, it's just rather inefficient and hasn't dealt with all the justifications at once.

IF you want help with your CRT and checking over it, I'd be happy to help, but I'd need a level-headed discussion because there will be some things we disagree with, and we might just need to leave those at agree to disagree status.

To be honest, I think the best course of action is closing and making a V2 of your CRT if staff don't evaluate it thanks to its length.
 
Mbpoops said:
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Calling me taking this to the mods embarrassing but responding like this... lol...
PlungingThroughTime said:
Is this against the rules of the forum? (OFC changing things randomly is, but I really doubt this)
No. It isn't.
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It isn't but I warned him about the issue it'd create on the profiles.
PlungingThroughTime said:
However, being fully realistic, and I don't want you to take any offense to this, your CRT isn't concise and is a rather difficult read. The multi-page long back and forth doesn't help either, and that's also kinda fair to be annoyed at. Your CRT from my view makes a lot of assumptions (Izumo being being known and communicated coming from it being on the Astral Charts, but we don't know much about the Astral Charts. The idea someone had to communicate with Izumo because they're on these Charts is also an assumption. Have we communicated with every planet we've discovered?) and I also disagree with the idea that all of these abilities are contingent on one another.
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Irrelevant to bring this up here and not even the place. You presented your point in the CRT and you're free to disagree with it. My CRT was meant to patch the issue quietly. I'd just add Acausality back on and it'd be fine since it would mean the feat as a whole is no longer null. The same way it was deemed non-applicable.
PlungingThroughTime said:
You can disagree with History EE because it has antifeats, but agree with the planet being erased. You can also disagree with the planet being erased and think it was just destroyed.
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Not the point again.
PlungingThroughTime said:
IF you want help with your CRT and checking over it, I'd be happy to help, but I'd need a level-headed discussion because there will be some things we disagree with, and we might just need to leave those at agree to disagree status.

To be honest, I think the best course of action is closing and making a V2 of your CRT if staff don't evaluate it thanks to its length.
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What needs to happen is to lock both my CRT, Zane's CRT and make a staff thread that evaluates the entire feat and ALL skills that derive from it.
 
Nighting4l33yes said:
Irrelevant to bring this up here and not even the place. You presented your point in the CRT and you're free to disagree with it. My CRT was meant to patch the issue quietly. I'd just add Acausality back on and it'd be fine since it would mean the feat as a whole is no longer null.

Not the point again.
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I'm pointing out why this topic so contentious. It's heavily opinion-based without much to focus on it.
Nighting4l33yes said:
What needs to happen is to lock both my CRT, Zane's CRT and make a staff thread that evaluates the entire feat and ALL skills that derive from it.
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That's fair, you CAN request that.

What I think should happen just to be brief is an opening post that is agreed on (discussing the points of contentious) and then you both discuss the points of topic in a concise manner. From then on, no more posts. You've already argued your opinion / view.

I think this because the topic is genuinely heavily opinionated, as I've discussed.
 
Nighting4l33yes said:
Calling me taking this to the mods embarrassing but responding like this... lol...
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Because this situation is silly and im not taking it seriously. You’recomplaining about an accepted CRT
Nighting4l33yes said:
It isn't but I warned him about the issue it'd create on the profiles.
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Theres no issue on the profiles? I mean izumo history erasure maybe but that was before i knew the standards for history erasure.
Nighting4l33yes said:
Irrelevant to bring this up here and not even the place. You presented your point in the CRT and you're free to disagree with it. My CRT was meant to patch the issue quietly. I'd just add Acausality back on and it'd be fine since it would mean the feat as a whole is no longer null.
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The acausality you were fighting for literally has nothing to do with izumo btw.
Nighting4l33yes said:
Not the point again.

What needs to happen is to lock both my CRT, Zane's CRT and make a staff thread that evaluates the entire feat and ALL skills that derive from it.
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Dont do a staff crt all it does us make staff more annoyed and angry
Nighting4l33yes said:
How is it silly when you and your friends are spamming CRTs without knowing what comes from where and changing things randomly? This isn't the first time you've done this. Other people have called you out about applying changes in your past CRTs that weren't voted.
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i havent even uploaded a crt recently that acheron type 2 aca was my last one for a bit as i said before. My friends can upload crts whenever they want it’s their choice and idc what they do as long as it isnt illegal.

Can you name when ive changed things randomly? I dont change things randomly i change things based on the contents of the crt. The only other person who has called me out on this is nether who literally has done this himself and is just being salty that i nuked tier 1 hsr and the emanator chainscale i havent applied a single thing that hasnt been voted on but i’d LOVE if you could point out what ive changed that was t voted on.

Anyway heres the times nether has done this.

vsbattles.com

TWILIGHT-OP

vsbattles.com vsbattles.com

vsbattles.com

Vietthai96

vsbattles.com vsbattles.com
 
PlungingThroughTime said:
That's fair, you CAN request that.

What I think should happen just to be brief is an opening post that is agreed on (discussing the points of contentious) and then you both discuss the points of topic in a concise manner. From then on, no more posts. You've already argued your opinion / view.

I think this because the topic is genuinely heavily opinionated, as I've discussed.
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I would HIGHLY suggest not opening a staff crt.
 
Mbpoops said:
Because this situation is silly and im not taking it seriously. You’recomplaining about an accepted CRT
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Why wouldn't I be when it messed up profiles because it was poorly-made and borderline relied on deception (and if not, then you misunderstanding things) to pass because mods didn't carefully examine it?
Mbpoops said:
Theres no issue on the profiles? I mean izumo history erasure maybe but that was before i knew the standards for history erasure.
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Yes there is. This is what you do all the time. You ignore everything and keep repeating yourself.

Izumo's feat was used for many of these skills including them being chainscaled and upscaled to any Nihility-related profile.
Passive Void Manipulation, Existence Erasure (Space-Time, History, Memory, Information【Type 2】& Conceptual【Type 3】) & Causality Manipulation
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Void Manipulation, Existence Erasure (Space-Time, History, Memory & Information【Type 2】& Conceptual【Type 3】), Memory Manipulation & Causality Manipulation Resistance
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Mbpoops said:
The acausality you were fighting for literally has nothing to do with izumo btw.
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Yes it does. It's astounding that you still don't get it.
Mbpoops said:
Dont do a staff crt all it does us make staff more annoyed and angry
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So what exactly do you suggest? Making another CRT that is deemed "too long to read" by staff? Or popping up with a new CRT every 3 days to piecemeal every single skill?
Mbpoops said:
Anyway heres the times nether has done this.
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I've no idea what those profiles are meant to show me.
 
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