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True, but once he slips on cursed blood and falls headfirst looney tunes style he is blowing tf upHis skin should be tough enough to take the slashes at surface level similar to Gojo.
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Chainsaw Man discussion thread
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I believe this is the only feat where a character in CSM resisted PD
Bruh
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Some stuff i gleaned from the blog
Resistance:
"Copying [Limited]: Quanxi’s strange physiology as a Hybrid made it very hard for the Mannequin Devil’s power to copy her, only creating imperfect duplicates. This is in spite of the Mannequin Devil being able to create accurate copies of anyone it touches, be it their physical characteristics or their abilities."
Calcs:
"Is stated to outspeed her own sound as she blitzes hundreds of copies of Kishibe (Mach 64.35)"
"The Violence Fiend pulled Aki away from one of Reze’s explosions (Mach 91.3)"
"Flew out of a base in Russia, generating a massive explosion on Mount Elbrus as a result (1.45 Gigatons of TNT)
Theres more and i doubt these are even usable but just want to put them here so maybe folk can draw inspiration from. Also theres some funny gifs and memes in the blog
Resistance:
"Copying [Limited]: Quanxi’s strange physiology as a Hybrid made it very hard for the Mannequin Devil’s power to copy her, only creating imperfect duplicates. This is in spite of the Mannequin Devil being able to create accurate copies of anyone it touches, be it their physical characteristics or their abilities."
Calcs:
"Is stated to outspeed her own sound as she blitzes hundreds of copies of Kishibe (Mach 64.35)"
"The Violence Fiend pulled Aki away from one of Reze’s explosions (Mach 91.3)"
"Flew out of a base in Russia, generating a massive explosion on Mount Elbrus as a result (1.45 Gigatons of TNT)
Theres more and i doubt these are even usable but just want to put them here so maybe folk can draw inspiration from. Also theres some funny gifs and memes in the blog
Bruh
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Denjis metal head can resist bullets iirc and his chainsaws can clash with swords and suchI believe this is the only feat where a character in CSM resisted PD
Zabazab
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(Can't see imgur posts) Is this the spears breaking against Pochita in Both Hands
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Yes, among the bulletproof durability for Denji with his inhuman areas
Ruby_R_Dracula
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Anything we can grab from these to apply into our own calcs?
IbukiDoujisGiantTail
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this but the Yuji fans on there have entered the "I BELIEVE IN MY GOAT" phase while arguing that they're being "bullied" after pretty much shutting down all Dennis discussion
fascinating stuff to see, I feel like Fumiko watching the end of the world rn
Ruby_R_Dracula
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is it just me, or are the Yuji Fans just incredibly aggressive in the DB Subreddit during this waiting period
Bruh
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but...but...narrative implication....
IbukiDoujisGiantTail
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not just you
Mind you, there is a genuine debate to this matchup, its not the sequential stomps DB had been doing for a bit prior to GruMind, but like the speed diff alone just makes it pretty clear cut
And uh. well they don't like that lol.
Breadbear83
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I think violence fiend was also discussed (someone made a calc of it some time ago, was it you)?
The Quanxi one uses the non accepted end of 0.013 ms reactions for humans, I'd say you could assume even subsonic reactions for the Kishibe clones (in case people weaker than old Kishibe has blitzed Faster than the eye of some character can see before, like when denji chopped a random fiend in base, or when he blitzed Miri when heard about the harem thing of the church)
That's still would get it lower to somewhere around lower end High Hypersonic
The mount Elbrus calc was already discussed in the wiki, here death battle made it a KE calc even thought it blitzing pochita from so far away, even with assumed superhuman speed for him is still FTL, the actual destruction based calcs are far lower than this KE one
I think violence fiend was also discussed (someone made a calc of it some time ago, was it you)?
The Quanxi one uses the non accepted end of 0.013 ms reactions for humans, I'd say you could assume even subsonic reactions for the Kishibe clones (in case people weaker than old Kishibe has blitzed Faster than the eye of some character can see before, like when denji chopped a random fiend in base, or when he blitzed Miri when heard about the harem thing of the church)
That's still would get it lower to somewhere around lower end High Hypersonic
Bruh
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This calc also use the speed of C4 for Reze explosion but unfortunately for us she doesnt have Bakugou's benefit of scaling to a real explosive
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Yes, it was me. However the manga variant was unusable due to us not being sure about the violence fiends position. Maybe the anime variant changes things?
IbukiDoujisGiantTail
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"Well you see, Unlimited Void technically isn't an attack" dawggggg
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Yeah, Yuji has the perfect toolbox to beat Denji, a tool to hamper his healing, a tool to keep him on defensive and block his attack, a tool to get past any possible Ap/Dura advantage Denji may have and a tool that fully negates speed.
If he plays it right he wins, the problem is it all goes down the drain if Denji really speedblitzes. Like, just put a youtube video at 0.25x speed and you will realize how severe even a 4x speed advantage is, and now imagine how catastrophic one above 20x would be. Shrine is also not passive like Infinity and would be hard to use defensively againdt a much faster character.
And even of he spams the loving hell out of it omnidirectionally, Denji can just trade damage into a lethal blow and remain alive, even if bisected or beheaded.
But i still think Yuji is more likely to win since i see DB scaling him to relativstic+ after Modulo.
If he plays it right he wins, the problem is it all goes down the drain if Denji really speedblitzes. Like, just put a youtube video at 0.25x speed and you will realize how severe even a 4x speed advantage is, and now imagine how catastrophic one above 20x would be. Shrine is also not passive like Infinity and would be hard to use defensively againdt a much faster character.
And even of he spams the loving hell out of it omnidirectionally, Denji can just trade damage into a lethal blow and remain alive, even if bisected or beheaded.
But i still think Yuji is more likely to win since i see DB scaling him to relativstic+ after Modulo.
Ruby_R_Dracula
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this ain't the JJK GD but Its somewhat related to Yuji vs Denji
Wtf is Dismantle anyways
is it just a Invisible, non tangible Projectile
cuz I decided to share the G1 Blog with my Boyfriend (who thinks Yuji wins with Denji having no chance) yesterday
and we had a little argument on whether Denji could block dismantle, as he believes it ain't a Tangible Object
might as well quote it
Wtf is Dismantle anyways
is it just a Invisible, non tangible Projectile
cuz I decided to share the G1 Blog with my Boyfriend (who thinks Yuji wins with Denji having no chance) yesterday
and we had a little argument on whether Denji could block dismantle, as he believes it ain't a Tangible Object
might as well quote it
Breadbear83
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Dunno if anime helps, seemingly, her arm exploded and violence fiend saved Aki, Doesn't seems like rezee got her arm near Aki offscreen, else he just wouldn't had survived
(Btw I have thought that it somewhat implied that 20% Gun Devil has to travell from USA to Japan to fight Makima in a unknown timeframe too, vague feat but it's high travell speed for 20% gun devil
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Any other methods that we can use to get results?
I always believed this to be the case considering that the Gun Devil cannot teleport. So I am for it.
Zabazab
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I mean it gets blocked doesn't it? Makora deflects it, and it fails to cut clean through plenty of things like buildings, Yūji, Maki, Gojo... It's just an energy blade.
Ruby_R_Dracula
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is there a scan of that, I wanna show him
Zabazab
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Jujutsu Kaisen Chapter 118 pages 6-7
Bruh
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Not every Dismantle cut the soul (iirc Sukuna and pre Modulo Yuji could only do so with physical touch or when someone is interacting with their souls, not sure about Modulo Yuji cutting Mahito tho) or else everyone and their mother would get Soul heal from healing from Sukuna's slashes in Shinjuku and so on and just because you can interact with souls doesnt mean you're intangible yourself. Also only World Cutting Slash bypass Infinity so idk whats hes talking about
Breadbear83
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The DB seems fine, something a bit different form the manga and anime is that rezees arm (the torpedo) seems closer to Aki's face in the anime than manga, and clearly from pixel scaling they would have different weights which affects the explosion speed (cherrypicking DB calc is that for pixel scaling they assumed Hybrid denji is 1.73m when he's 1.8m)
Eljoaki5 made a calc of the manga: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:ElJoaki5/Chainsaw_Man:_A_lot_of_calcs
Hovewer he calced distance from after the explosion was made, DB instead calcs from distance of Rezee to Aki's face before the explosion happens
Also, even in the manga, it may be that violence fiend did grab aki to get him away from the explosion after the explosion occured, cuz rezee didn't seem to have seen The Violence fiend grabbing aki, there's no way he could blitz her reactions as a weaker devil, but the explosion smoke could make it so rezee doesn't notice
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Oh also Dismantle gets deflected by Kusakabe multiple times in chapter 254
Bruh
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Wasnt Japan planning a raid to America to steal their portion of GD so it's pretty likely that's where he is
Ruby_R_Dracula
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pages what
IbukiDoujisGiantTail
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My issue with a lot of the Yuji wincons is that they really just sounded like "Yeah Yuji wins.... if Denji just stands still
"And like, a lot of them have their function vastly overestimated. Like sure, Yuji can damage the soul and hamper regen, but it's not like a single soul dismantle destroys souls entirely, it's not some instant win. And this just applies to pretty much every wincon he has
"Yuji with domain can invalidate the speed difference!" Not really? It just means his attacks wont miss, he still has a chainsaw shaped freight train coming at him. He also can't attack at a fast enough rate for that to really matter.
"Yuji can outrange with city wide cleaves and dismantles!" Denji and Pochita have been in two scenarios facing that same issue with Much larger range and have circumvented it by just throwing his heart and regenerating instantly.
"Yuji in his domain could separate Denji and Pochita!" Yuji when he sees Denji eat the random store clerk and revs his heart:
DB might not always consider speed as the most important stat but in this matchup it's just very hard to ignore
Breadbear83
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Yuji vs denji is just another MC vs MC as representants of their whole verse and their fandoms
Hardly I'll see another interesting matchup for denji, chainsawman will be popular for a while with the anime, so maybe Pochita may get a matchup?
Bruh
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I dont get this argument, he could only do so if the basis of the fusion is soul based but its not, Pochita is biologically grafted unto Denjis body as his heart, its not some Sukuna situation where Megumi magically returns to normal after puking up Sukuna. Thats like arguing Yuji can seperate the body part of someone who received an organ transplant by touching them
IbukiDoujisGiantTail
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Kaiman from Dorohedoro is another good MU, though it is pretty solidly a Dennis win
JJK and Dorohedoro are the two big ones for CSM/Denji since Fujimoto did basically go "oh chainsaw man is popular? I just ripped off those two lol"
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So is a timeframe possible, or is the calc a no go?
Bruh
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Kaiju no8 perhaps ?
IbukiDoujisGiantTail
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He cant, but it's been thrown around a bunch
Yuji can influence the soul and sever a soul based connection (sort of, more like a parasitism), but for Denji and Pochita they're fused not just physically but via a Devil Contract as well
Something not brought up either is that if Yuji does somehow sever the connection... Well. Pochita can just do it again. He loves his baby boy
Plus when the contract is broken that's when Black Chainsaw Man comes out, so it's really just a worse scenario for Yuji
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